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 Kilkrazy wrote:


It is not quite so funny when you are grown up, married and have daughters.

We disagree, despite being married and having a daughter

The problem is that there's a thin line. On the one hand, it is good to raise awareness for problems and social media services can be a huge deal for that. On the other hand, it also brings in a lot of unwanted and counter-productive elements as you draw more attention to your cause. #endfathersday perfectly portrayed the problem - it was a huge trollbait and a lot of so-called feminists (not using the other, more appropriate term that ends on -azis) happily took the hook and swallowed it whole. While #endfathersday essentially being a troll, it also showed the problem of huge media attention - attention. A lof of people simply love attention and would do anything to get it. Which leads to extremely overexaggerated points of view - that get, surprisingly, the most attention. The consequence is that those ridiculous points of view draw attention away from your initial cause or problem and towards those parties / people. That's a huge problem and, unfortunately, very common.There isn't anything you could do against it either - it's the way how any media works. Take Germany as an example. The most well-known "feminist" in Germany, Alice Schwarzer, actually is a misandrist. She is not taken seriously, but gets a huge amount of media attention and people perceive her as being the "voice of feminism" - which is as wrong as it can be.

Actualy feminism does not work like that - and still using the term "feminism" is something that's mostly reinforced by media. A lot of (actual!) feminists would rather call themselves humanists as the term "feminism" now has a very poor social connotation. Actual feminism is working mostly invisible to the public that only gets shown the results of it and think that it's the work of all the clueless attention whores in social media. So, instead of taking part in the social media stuff, you're better off joining your locoal human rights organization or having a look around for any organization you want to support.

 LuciusAR wrote:
Isn't there also the danger that Tumblr Feminists cheapen feminism by being so staggering OTT in their determination to find sexism in the most benign things? Lots of their activities can border on outright man hatred.

Why do you think so many people (both feminists and non feminists alike) fell hook, line and sinker for #Endfathersday? Poe's Law that's why. 4Chan pretty much nailed the rhetoric of your average Tumblr Feminist.

I think the problem is the parody itself. Jezebel and Tumblr feminists and Slate and the chick who writes Game of Thrones reviews for the Washington Post each week from the "let's discuss who's privileged!" angle? They don't need to be parodied. They're self-parodying. I've never met them, but I'm sure there are people out there who actually take all that gak seriously. Handing them an actual legitimate grievance by parodying them is something I'd prefer to avoid.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
Why do you think so many people (both feminists and non feminists alike) fell hook, line and sinker for #Endfathersday?

Uh? Pretty much nobody fell for it. You are disproving your own point here.

The Telegraph, LA Times and Time disagree with you...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/williamhenderson/100013807/endfathersday-was-a-4chan-prank-it-fooled-some-people-on-twitter-but-it-achieved-nothing/

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-fathers-day-gay-rights-parents-day-story.html

http://time.com/2871792/enough-with-fathers-day-you-heard-me-endfathersday/

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
Why do you think so many people (both feminists and non feminists alike) fell hook, line and sinker for #Endfathersday?

Uh? Pretty much nobody fell for it. You are disproving your own point here.

The Telegraph, LA Times and Time disagree with you...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/williamhenderson/100013807/endfathersday-was-a-4chan-prank-it-fooled-some-people-on-twitter-but-it-achieved-nothing/

"Fooled some people." "Thankfully, a lot of people weren't convinced.'

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-fathers-day-gay-rights-parents-day-story.html

Is an opinion piece about how not to make a child feel alienated on [day for one gender] because both parents are [other gender] and has nothing to do with feminism.

http://time.com/2871792/enough-with-fathers-day-you-heard-me-endfathersday/

Is an opinion piece that states that we should not have a father's day because we should celebrate fathers every single day of the year. The exact opposite of the 4chan prank

Just saying...

I read that LA Times one for unrelated reasons. It made me angry.

 Seaward wrote:
I read that LA Times one for unrelated reasons. It made me angry.

How so?

Is it the argument against Mother's and Father's Day?

I could see the argument for including and promoting "Parent's Day" in addition to the other two days, but not as a replacement.

Sure, children of gay parents face having a holiday that they don't have a "parent" for. But that's no different than children that are raised by a single parent, and we shouldn't get rid of either day because of that either.

That's my only criticism of that article.

 LuciusAR wrote:
Isn't there also the danger that Tumblr Feminists cheapen feminism by being so staggering OTT

That's the case for pretty much any group. The most extreme people tend to also be the loudest.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
Why do you think so many people (both feminists and non feminists alike) fell hook, line and sinker for #Endfathersday?

Uh? Pretty much nobody fell for it. You are disproving your own point here.

The Telegraph, LA Times and Time disagree with you...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/williamhenderson/100013807/endfathersday-was-a-4chan-prank-it-fooled-some-people-on-twitter-but-it-achieved-nothing/

Uh? They agree with me.
Thankfully, a lot of people weren't convinced. Most of the tweets using the hashtag were from people denouncing its message, or feminism, or both.
I remember someone putting a link to the hashtag here. It was like one third of people saying it is a hoax from 4chan, one third of people saying how this is not a good idea, and one third of people that made it plainly obvious in their tweet that even without the hoax, they would have made strawman attack on feminism anyway. I saw about 0 tweet of any feminist taking the hashtag seriously.

 d-usa wrote:
Sure, children of gay parents face having a holiday that they don't have a "parent" for. But that's no different than children that are raised by a single parent, and we shouldn't get rid of either day because of that either.

No, he is right. On a totally related note DIE VALENTINE'S DAY DIE FOREVER .

Laughing at extreme "feminazis" does not absolve us from the situation that in nearly all societies around the world women are subordinated to men in various ways, the worst of which arguably is sexual harassment and violence.

ZF-