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 Ninjacommando wrote:
Hmm when people see this #Anything

do they read it as

HASHTAGAnything

or

POUNDAnything?

It's HASHTAGanything to make sure you don't POUNDanything.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Is it possible--just possible--that the use of social media in these situations can be used to A) educate the public about a problem they knew nothing about? (I for one had no clue things were this bad in Egypt.) B) To show officials/authorities that the public feels very strongly about these topics, and that they should take them seriously? C) To create a feeling of solidarity, so that victims can know that they are not alone, and will have supporters? Thus making it more likely that they will stand up and report/press charges?

But… you are not being sarcastic! You need to change that. Everyone knows that if you fail to solve a very deep social issue in a matter of days, you are useless. It would therefore somehow be way more effective to just do nothing about it. Or at least that is what I understand from the comments here.

I feel this thread is appropriate for something like this:



Get yours at http://cola.unh.edu/prevention-innovations/bystander-store-posters

Wait what, next you're gonna tell me my likes don't help little children in Africa?! :O

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this thread is appropriate for something like this:

Spoiler:

Get yours at http://cola.unh.edu/prevention-innovations/bystander-store-posters

At first I was like

Then I realized they were trying to be serious.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Is it possible--just possible--that the use of social media in these situations can be used to A) educate the public about a problem they knew nothing about? (I for one had no clue things were this bad in Egypt.) B) To show officials/authorities that the public feels very strongly about these topics, and that they should take them seriously? C) To create a feeling of solidarity, so that victims can know that they are not alone, and will have supporters? Thus making it more likely that they will stand up and report/press charges?

I know it's easy to say, "Oh look, we hashtagged the problem and people still get raped, social media is useless!" or to dismiss these trends as 'slacktivism,' (a word I only heard last month and am just aching for a chance to use conversationally without being a douche) but it seems like this IS a situation that social media might be able to bring some positive results to.

I tend to agree with this. At the end of the day, people talking is better than people not talking. That's all this #'ing is really, people making noise. Noise can serve a purpose though. If you're lucky it may even stir up the folks with the drive and/or resources to implement something with more practical impact.

 daedalus wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this thread is appropriate for something like this:

Spoiler:

Get yours at http://cola.unh.edu/prevention-innovations/bystander-store-posters

At first I was like

Then I realized they were trying to be serious.

Wow... there is so much wrong with that poster.

Apparently 'glasses dude' become a monstrous rape machine when he gets drunk. Are we really saying men can't help but to rape women and we now need DDs for men going out in public?

Men who rape will do it sober. People who lose control that they like "damn, I blacked out and raped people." have bigger issues. I just can't figure out what angle they are trying to sell with that poster?

Does anyone else think that #bringbackourgirls reeks of slavery?

For me it just seems stupid, unlike that YesAllWomen stuff, because one is aimed at the general population, and the other one is aimed at some Islamist extremists…

It is natural that teenage and college boys will not have fully understood and internalised the correct social norms around sexual behaviour.

Under the influence of alcohol inhibitions are reduced and can lead to some unpleasant scenes.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
It is natural that teenage and college boys will not have fully understood and internalised the correct social norms around sexual behaviour.

Under the influence of alcohol inhibitions are reduced and can lead to some unpleasant scenes.

Sure, but there is a forced progression there that strains credibility.

Your PSA fails when it could never occur in reality. As someone who grew up in your "this is your brain on drugs" generation laughing myself the entire way through, that's my opinion anyway.

And really, the message just decreases in quality the more modern you get. The one with the cute girl who trashed the kitchen was at least compelling.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this thread is appropriate for something like this:

Spoiler:

Get yours at http://cola.unh.edu/prevention-innovations/bystander-store-posters

Mmmmhm. That's a thing

 Chongara wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Is it possible--just possible--that the use of social media in these situations can be used to A) educate the public about a problem they knew nothing about? (I for one had no clue things were this bad in Egypt.) B) To show officials/authorities that the public feels very strongly about these topics, and that they should take them seriously? C) To create a feeling of solidarity, so that victims can know that they are not alone, and will have supporters? Thus making it more likely that they will stand up and report/press charges?

I know it's easy to say, "Oh look, we hashtagged the problem and people still get raped, social media is useless!" or to dismiss these trends as 'slacktivism,' (a word I only heard last month and am just aching for a chance to use conversationally without being a douche) but it seems like this IS a situation that social media might be able to bring some positive results to.

I tend to agree with this. At the end of the day, people talking is better than people not talking. That's all this #'ing is really, people making noise. Noise can serve a purpose though. If you're lucky it may even stir up the folks with the drive and/or resources to implement something with more practical impact.

This isn't noise, it's people who want to feel a part of something bigger than their own sad, uneventful lives. Posting a status update with this crap cheapens the overall seriousness of the message trying to be conveyed and it ends up getting the responses seen in this thread. It adds nothing to the conversation, it doesn't fix anything, and if anyone has actually known someone who's been raped, the LAST thing that person wants is for the entire fething planet to know.

People wanting to help is wonderful, but this isn't helping. Daniel Craig isn't helping, he's getting paid. Every person that tweets this stuff is doing it specifically for their own twisted sense of gratification, like they'd actually done something to help stop a terrible crime. Criminals don't care about your facebook updates or twitter responses or stupid fething celebrities making stupid ass commercials. They care about getting what they want and the only way to stop them is with legal and physical responses, not some soccer mom posting about how terrible it must be for these people living in -insert country here-.

 Frankenberry wrote:
People wanting to help is wonderful, but this isn't helping. Daniel Craig isn't helping

Well you are talking about it, so it seems to have done something. Raising awareness and putting issues in people's mind actually serves a function because when others don't know about something they can't do anything; celebrities biggest asset is exposure, so they often use it to help elevate issues. If it is just about money there are far richer people than actors/actresses, they just aren't as well known. Political will and momentum makes changes, and those things don't happen in a vacuum.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Every person that tweets this stuff is doing it specifically for their own twisted sense of gratification

Seems a bit self serving to assume to know how everyone else thinks or their motivations. Allows one to be dismissive without consideration. I imagine it is true for some, but not for others.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Criminals don't care about your facebook updates or twitter responses or stupid fething celebrities making stupid ass commercials.

I would think this would be a fairly simple bit of knowledge, but this isn't for criminals.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
People wanting to help is wonderful, but this isn't helping. Daniel Craig isn't helping

Well you are talking about it, so it seems to have done something. Raising awareness and putting issues in people's mind actually serves a function because when others don't know about something they can't do anything; celebrities biggest asset is exposure, so they often use it to help elevate issues. If it is just about money there are far richer people than actors/actresses, they just aren't as well known. Political will and momentum makes changes, and those things don't happen in a vacuum.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Every person that tweets this stuff is doing it specifically for their own twisted sense of gratification

Seems a bit self serving to assume to know how everyone else thinks or their motivations. Allows one to be dismissive without consideration. I imagine it is true for some, but not for others.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Criminals don't care about your facebook updates or twitter responses or stupid fething celebrities making stupid ass commercials.

I would think this would be a fairly simple bit of knowledge, but this isn't for criminals.

[deadpan]You've got me there, I'm talking about it by commenting on the topic, which is exactly what this entire program is about.[/deadpan]

It's not self serving at all; generalization of those involved? Sure, I'll admit that.

[deadpan]Oh, I thought it was for the criminals. Now that you've clarified that it isn't, I suppose my entire point is invalidated.[/deadpan]

 daedalus wrote:


At first I was like

Then I realized they were trying to be serious.

I think the best part of that campaign is that they represented the court system well. A rape a few months ago and already out of gaol.

 daedalus wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I feel this thread is appropriate for something like this:

Spoiler:

Get yours at http://cola.unh.edu/prevention-innovations/bystander-store-posters

At first I was like

Then I realized they were trying to be serious.

me too.. to the point where I checked out the site expecting something ala the onion...

Nope, legit site. it has lots of other serious ones ... so they were trying to be legit on this one.

doesn't help that College of Liberal Arts has a suspicious web acronym like cola...

If not drinking booze is power, I am a super-hero .

#endslacktivismnow


Thing is, pretty much everything we do amounts to nothing. This thread - doesn't do anything for anyone. In fact, Off Topic is pretty much just talking that goes nowhere and does nothing. And that's okay, discussing world events and movies and stuff is just what people do, and it's a fun thing in itself. Social media campaigns aren't really any different to that - there's no real difference between linking to a story here and putting one up on facebook and asking people to share it around.

The difference, to my mind, comes when people try and get a feeling of achievement out of simply discussing the issue. As if the basic act of talking about a problem somewhere in the world is the same as actually trying to fix that problem. I think people are overstating the case when they claim that getting a false feeling of achievement out of slacktivism means people don't actually help, I suspect those people would otherwise be doing nothing to help anyway, but it sure is annoying.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
If not drinking booze is power, I am a super-hero .

If this logic follows I must be a super villain of The Shocker like proportions , I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not .

You do not drink booze too?

erm...no I drink a bit , it used to be a lot more but I've got that under control(-ish)

So I drink regularly but not the huge amounts some people can put away, I generally limit myself to 2-2 1/2 litres of wine in one sitting.
therefore I am a supervillain of middling power and ability.

I own the Universe and the webway then since I do not drink
I own the Warp
I own all the the civilizations in the known and unknown universe!!

I OWN EVERY..................

Yes Dear I'm doing the dishes

 Frankenberry wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Is it possible--just possible--that the use of social media in these situations can be used to A) educate the public about a problem they knew nothing about? (I for one had no clue things were this bad in Egypt.) B) To show officials/authorities that the public feels very strongly about these topics, and that they should take them seriously? C) To create a feeling of solidarity, so that victims can know that they are not alone, and will have supporters? Thus making it more likely that they will stand up and report/press charges?

I know it's easy to say, "Oh look, we hashtagged the problem and people still get raped, social media is useless!" or to dismiss these trends as 'slacktivism,' (a word I only heard last month and am just aching for a chance to use conversationally without being a douche) but it seems like this IS a situation that social media might be able to bring some positive results to.

I tend to agree with this. At the end of the day, people talking is better than people not talking. That's all this #'ing is really, people making noise. Noise can serve a purpose though. If you're lucky it may even stir up the folks with the drive and/or resources to implement something with more practical impact.

This isn't noise, it's people who want to feel a part of something bigger than their own sad, uneventful lives. Posting a status update with this crap cheapens the overall seriousness of the message trying to be conveyed and it ends up getting the responses seen in this thread. It adds nothing to the conversation, it doesn't fix anything, and if anyone has actually known someone who's been raped, the LAST thing that person wants is for the entire fething planet to know.

People wanting to help is wonderful, but this isn't helping. Daniel Craig isn't helping, he's getting paid. Every person that tweets this stuff is doing it specifically for their own twisted sense of gratification, like they'd actually done something to help stop a terrible crime. Criminals don't care about your facebook updates or twitter responses or stupid fething celebrities making stupid ass commercials. They care about getting what they want and the only way to stop them is with legal and physical responses, not some soccer mom posting about how terrible it must be for these people living in -insert country here-.

Here is the thing, I have a cousin who does quite a bit. When Sandy hook happened my feed exploded with stuff like "we stand with the families" and I called her out saying it diluted my feed aND I was called heartless. But a few weeks later it was something else and a few week ago it was the Nigerian girls. They share what is trendy, then when the news stop they stop caring. It is infuriating.

The first step in correcting a problem is to address it and recognize that there is a problem. I find Tumblr Feminists as annoying as everyone else, but they do serve a function. Awareness about the plight of Women is a critical step in addressing the problems they face. Sure, armies of Feminists aren't flying over to beating Saudi Arabian ass (and maybe they should be), but there is an inherent value in the online Feminists movement, as difficult as it can be to see sometimes.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The first step in correcting a problem is to address it and recognize that there is a problem. I find Tumblr Feminists as annoying as everyone else, but they do serve a function. Awareness about the plight of Women is a critical step in addressing the problems they face. Sure, armies of Feminists aren't flying over to beating Saudi Arabian ass (and maybe they should be), but there is an inherent value in the online Feminists movement, as difficult as it can be to see sometimes.

There's value, sure. It's simply comedic value.

I do think there is a danger that it is even easier to mock the #hashtag feminist protestors for their uselessness than even to go to the effort to do the hashtag thing, and it can work as a subconscious excuse for us to do nothing at all to help.

Ha ha! Look at the silly feminists!

It is not quite so funny when you are grown up, married and have daughters.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I do think there is a danger that it is even easier to mock the #hashtag feminist protestors for their uselessness than even to go to the effort to do the hashtag thing, and it can work as a subconscious excuse for us to do nothing at all to help.

Ha ha! Look at the silly feminists!

It is not quite so funny when you are grown up, married and have daughters.

I still find it funny. Even with my wife and daughter.

I take sexual assault incredibly seriously, I've been victimized by it, so I cannot understate how seriously I take it.

Doesn't mean I still don't find hyperfeminists funny.

Isn't there also the danger that Tumblr Feminists cheapen feminism by being so staggering OTT in their determination to find sexism in the most benign things? Lots of their activities can border on outright man hatred.

Why do you think so many people (both feminists and non feminists alike) fell hook, line and sinker for #Endfathersday? Poe's Law that's why. 4Chan pretty much nailed the rhetoric of your average Tumblr Feminist.

 LuciusAR wrote:
Why do you think so many people (both feminists and non feminists alike) fell hook, line and sinker for #Endfathersday?

Uh? Pretty much nobody fell for it. You are disproving your own point here.