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No, it shows spikes and troughs. Currently, or at least the most recent result, is at one of, if not the, lowest points within the scope of the graph.

If you drew a mean line through the graph, then maybe, considering I'm writing this without being able to see it, you could get slightly above flat. Maybe. Slightly.

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Nope.

It is slightly tilting up if your left chairlegs are a couple of mm smaller than the right side..

 azreal13 wrote:
No, it shows spikes and troughs. Currently, or at least the most recent result, is at one of, if not the, lowest points within the scope of the graph.

If you drew a mean line through the graph, then maybe, considering I'm writing this without being able to see it, you could get slightly above flat. Maybe. Slightly.

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Nope.

Uhhh. I would say this is definitely an upward trend :

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*shrug* if you can't see it then so be it.

Interesting to note that the 6th edition release appears to have been slightly less popular than the 5th edition release, in terms of interest anyway.

Yeah, at best its flat.

Hardly up.

KommissarKarl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
No, it shows spikes and troughs. Currently, or at least the most recent result, is at one of, if not the, lowest points within the scope of the graph.

If you drew a mean line through the graph, then maybe, considering I'm writing this without being able to see it, you could get slightly above flat. Maybe. Slightly.

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Nope.

Uhhh. I would say this is definitely an upward trend :

Spoiler:

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*shrug* if you can't see it then so be it.

Interesting to note that the 6th edition release appears to have been slightly less popular than the 5th edition release, in terms of interest anyway.

If you download the .CSV and take the averages of each year:

2004: 38.25
2005: 29.46
2006: 21.77
2007: 21.46
2008: 23.23
2009: 23.75
2010: 24.92
2011: 34.56
2012: 30.49
2013: 28.02
2014: 27.14

...so I suppose if you're claiming it "trends up" you should specify a time frame.

Your Google appears to be broken...

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Your Google appears to be broken...

It was the UK results I was referring to.

Missed that part...

However, the topic is sliding down for the UK only:

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F0mbr2&geo=GB&cmpt=q

Even more to that point though would be if you look to at the cause of those spikes. Warhammer Chess, Space Marine video game, the 40K MMO...

GW's big contribution was blip "B" for the Storm of Vengeance (and no doubt people trying to figure out what they were doing with it).

forge world +250%
forgeworld +190%
games workshop paint +110%
games workshop forum +80%
game workshop +40%
games workshop online +40%

I laughed at this alot.

Forgeworld is higher than GW in terms of being searched out.

Well, that does dovetail with my perception that people who are overtly and vocally critical of GW often have less of a problem with the way Forgeworld tends to do things.

Somewhat pisses on the chips of the idea that the "negs" are a vocal minority and not representative of the wider community, it would appear that, in fact, that Dakka is at least somewhat reflective of the community as a whole.

 azreal13 wrote:
Well, that does dovetail with my perception that people who are overtly and vocally critical of GW often have less of a problem with the way Forgeworld tends to do things.

Somewhat pisses on the chips of the idea that the "negs" are a vocal minority and not representative of the wider community, it would appear that, in fact, that Dakka is at least somewhat reflective of the community as a whole.

I know tons of people who share dakka's beliefs.

 azreal13 wrote:
Well, that does dovetail with my perception that people who are overtly and vocally critical of GW often have less of a problem with the way Forgeworld tends to do things.

Somewhat pisses on the chips of the idea that the "negs" are a vocal minority and not representative of the wider community, it would appear that, in fact, that Dakka is at least somewhat reflective of the community as a whole.

Sorry where are you getting your evidence for this from?

KommissarKarl wrote:
The graph clearly shows an upward trend in 40k search queries.

Really? Looks to me more like it dipped in 2006, took 5 years to creep back up to just below where it started, and has remained fairly level since.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

I know tons of people who share dakka's beliefs.

Who is 'dakka'?

There's no single, community mindset here.

 insaniak wrote:

KommissarKarl wrote:
The graph clearly shows an upward trend in 40k search queries.

Really? Looks to me more like it dipped in 2006, took 5 years to creep back up to just below where it started, and has remained fairly level since.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

I know tons of people who share dakka's beliefs.

Who is 'dakka'?

There's no single, community mindset here.

I feel like there is. There is a very large common dislike for GW.

KommissarKarl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Well, that does dovetail with my perception that people who are overtly and vocally critical of GW often have less of a problem with the way Forgeworld tends to do things.

Somewhat pisses on the chips of the idea that the "negs" are a vocal minority and not representative of the wider community, it would appear that, in fact, that Dakka is at least somewhat reflective of the community as a whole.

Sorry where are you getting your evidence for this from?

As much as I'd like to have a conversation with you about the blindingly obvious, I suspect a signed confession from Kirby himself would be insufficient evidence that something was rotten in the state of Workshop for you, so I'll save myself the time and energy and not engage.

Besides, my pizzas ready!

 Asherian Command wrote:
I feel like there is. There is a very large common dislike for GW.

There are certainly some posters who dislike GW, or various aspects of what they do. That's a very general description of a very wide range of different opinions, though... and if you read any single thread about GW you'll find people offering both positive and negative opinions.

Having some posters, even if they're a majority, with a given opinion does not make that an opinion of 'Dakka'... because 'Dakka' is just a venue for the community to share their opinions.

 insaniak wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I feel like there is. There is a very large common dislike for GW.

There are certainly some posters who dislike GW, or various aspects of what they do. That's a very general description of a very wide range of different opinions, though... and if you read any single thread about GW you'll find people offering both positive and negative opinions.

Having some posters, even if they're a majority, with a given opinion does not make that an opinion of 'Dakka'... because 'Dakka' is just a venue for the community to share their opinions.

Interesting, but I know a bunch of gamers. All being white and middle class. Clearly that is a large demographic. ( please know I am being sarcastic)

This does not prove it all. But I made a generalization. Just by watching and talking with friends all of who were five year veterans or so, just quit and said we aren't going to buy anymore was kind of a clear sign that something was wrong.

 azreal13 wrote:
Well, that does dovetail with my perception that people who are overtly and vocally critical of GW often have less of a problem with the way Forgeworld tends to do things.

Somewhat pisses on the chips of the idea that the "negs" are a vocal minority and not representative of the wider community, it would appear that, in fact, that Dakka is at least somewhat reflective of the community as a whole.

Well, if "the community" is defined as people who go online to research and discuss games, DakkaDakka must be somewhat representative as it is one of the largest wargames sites particularly when considering ones that concentrate on Warhammer games. (The Miniatures Page is much larger, but it concentrates on Historicals.) This is English language only of course. There may be some huge sites in French, Spanish and so on that I don't know about.

Presumably there are people who don't discuss or follow their hobbies online but we have no way of accounting for them with Google Trends.

Going back to the graph topic, the general trend for 40K in the UK seems to me to be slightly more up than flat, but the trend for Warhammer 40,000 is down. Probably people are typing 40K instead of 40,000. IDK what the overall trend is if you combine these sets of figures.

Of course the UK is 60% of the Warhammer market so there could be a slight up trend here and a more serious down trend in other countries leading to an overall downwards trend.

GW themselves must know how many unique visitors and page impressions, etc. they get on their new web store site. As far as purchasing goes, it doesn't matter if people aren't searching for Games Workshop or 40K or whatever as long as enough customers actually go and buy stuff. They also can measure the number of unique purchasers at their retail shops by tracking the card data for purchases, which is necessary for charging people's account. (Cash sales excepted, of course.)

Any chance of a forum subsection traffic chart KK? Won't prove anything but always interesting.

Legoburner is the person to ask about that sort of detail.

But he might burn all my lego if I anger him : ( You don't get a name like that without putting a lot of plastic to the torch!

The forums are not easily distinguished in terms of read traffic, so it is not something I can get with much ease or accuracy. Post counts are easy enough to use, but they have their own inaccuracies. Google trends accounts for a lot of variables, so it makes a stronger argument to primarily use them.

 insaniak wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I feel like there is. There is a very large common dislike for GW.

There are certainly some posters who dislike GW, or various aspects of what they do. That's a very general description of a very wide range of different opinions, though... and if you read any single thread about GW you'll find people offering both positive and negative opinions.

Having some posters, even if they're a majority, with a given opinion does not make that an opinion of 'Dakka'... because 'Dakka' is just a venue for the community to share their opinions.

I would say that "Dakka's Opinion" would be expressed as a ratio rather than an integer.

Do these Google results take into account an, for want of a better phrase, internet inflation. In that more people are searching for a given thing because more people have the internet (and or are using Google more than another search engine)?

 George Spiggott wrote:
Do these Google results take into account an, for want of a better phrase, internet inflation. In that more people are searching for a given thing because more people have the internet (and or are using Google more than another search engine)?

From what I can tell, they factor in from an all time high number of searches. So for instance, in the OP, it started at it's highest point with 100% and everything else is simply a percentage of that high number. This would mean that the number of searches for GW in a given time period are approximately 25% of what they were. So it is not reflective of a expanding internet, but if you were to factor in "inflating internet" then they would be going down ever more as the searches for GW would be an even smaller number compared to it's population share that would be projected. Factoring this into other google trends could mean trouble for some of them too, as it would mean that level graphs were actually decreasing their share.

I may be wrong on this though because Google contradicts what the graph means when they describe it. They first say the graph is based on the number of searches but then that a decreasing graph does not mean the total number of searches is declining, so I don't know. Unless they just mean the total number of times it has been searched in it's existence, in which case duh.

 George Spiggott wrote:
Do these Google results take into account an, for want of a better phrase, internet inflation. In that more people are searching for a given thing because more people have the internet (and or are using Google more than another search engine)?

Yes, which is why trends are different world-wide vs individual companies.

Incidentally, this is GW compared to it's rivals (in the UK):



Also 40k compared to competitors:



From these stats it doesn't look like any of these large competitors are exactly rocketing ahead, except x wing, which I don't think directly competes with 40k (ymmv).

This is the USA version, for anyone interested:

I notice an increase in the frequency of X-wing around the point that the game was actually released.

Karl, can yo add 'infinitythegame' , 'malifaux' and 'dystopian wars' to that list of yours? Also 'hordes' - remember, warmachine is only half of the privateer press portfolio. That would give a more complete picture of the 'big' names.

Overall traffic seems to suggest flames, warmachine, and x wing make up half the internet traffic currently, gw mskes up your other half.. Of those reported terms at least. In the us, it seems to compose slightly less than half the traffic.

Interesting all the same. Thanks fir putting it up.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:I notice an increase in the frequency of X-wing around the point that the game was actually released.

The term "x wing" was already in use for various things in the Star Wars universe.

Deadnight wrote:Karl, can yo add 'infinitythegame' , 'malifaux' and 'dystopian wars' to that list of yours? Also 'hordes' - remember, warmachine is only half of the privateer press portfolio. That would give a more complete picture of the 'big' names.

Well I couldn't include Infinity since there have been a number of computer games of that game in recent years. As for the others -


Hordes is too generic and its popularity appears to be unrelated to the tabletop game. Even with Warmachine it appears as though there's no correlation between the spikes on the graph and releases in-game, the way that there is with warhammer 40k. Can someone who's followed Warmachines for the past few years comment on this? Specifically were there any big releases May 2008, May 2010 and July 2013?

Overall traffic seems to suggest flames, warmachine, and x wing make up half the internet traffic currently, gw mskes up your other half.. Of those reported terms at least. In the us, it seems to compose slightly less than half the traffic.

Aye by the fact that warmachines/flames of war have remained at more or less constant does make the "the other games are expanding at gw's expense" theory look pretty wobbly. If there is a surge in interest in other games, then it's not happening on the internet.


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Comparison of 40k armies -



No idea why Eldar is so popular.

General 40k terms-




Interesting how the Imperial knight pops up once the rumours started circulating, then skyrockets when it's released.


Oh, and the Horus Heresy is now as popular than the Imperial Guard -