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 Deadshot wrote:
And what is the truth? that now the galaxy and all of mankind is locked in perpetual warfare because of his actions? Pretty selfish thing to do. If someone sent the world into WW3 just to prove or disprove a God or his own beliefs he'd go down in history as the biggest psychopathic scumbag ever, and makes Hilter look like a baby threw its toys out of the pram.

You didn't actually include whether or not that someone succeeded in proving his own beliefs.

Not that I really see the relevance of what you're saying, anyways. You're basically saying Lorgar Is a villain, but that's something most people, including the setting (regardless of all those posters who keep saying "there is no good and evil in the Warhammer universe", the perspective we're given is very clear on Chaos being the "villain" of the setting), agrees with anyways.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
And what is the truth? that now the galaxy and all of mankind is locked in perpetual warfare because of his actions? Pretty selfish thing to do. If someone sent the world into WW3 just to prove or disprove a God or his own beliefs he'd go down in history as the biggest psychopathic scumbag ever, and makes Hilter look like a baby threw its toys out of the pram.

You didn't actually include whether or not that someone succeeded in proving his own beliefs.

Not that I really see the relevance of what you're saying, anyways. You're basically saying Lorgar Is a villain, but that's something most people, including the setting (regardless of all those posters who keep saying "there is no good and evil in the Warhammer universe", the perspective we're given is very clear on Chaos being the "villain" of the setting), agrees with anyways.

I'm using him along with numerous other examples as an example of why I believe relgion is wrong (because someone else carried that line of thought on).

Aaaaaah. Chaos kinda doesn't really compare to any real world religion though. Gods from religions in the real world are significantly more benevolent than the Chaos gods, to say the least, and also significantly harder to prove that they're true (unlike the Chaos Gods who's existence in WH40k is an undeniable fact)

Something closer to a real world religion in the WH40k world was that guy who ran The Last Church. There, the god was for the most part unproveable but benevolent, just like most real world religions. Then the Emperor came a-knockin' and that changed everything (for what little longer it lasted). One moral of the story was that wars are fought for all sorts of things, religion being just one of many possible scapegoats, and getting rid of religion won't get rid of war.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Aaaaaah. Chaos kinda doesn't really compare to any real world religion though. Gods from religions in the real world are significantly more benevolent than the Chaos gods, to say the least, and also significantly harder to prove that they're true (unlike the Chaos Gods who's existence in WH40k is an undeniable fact)

Something closer to a real world religion in the WH40k world was that guy who ran The Last Church. There, the god was for the most part unproveable but benevolent, just like most real world religions. Then the Emperor came a-knockin' and that changed everything (for what little longer it lasted). One moral of the story was that wars are fought for all sorts of things, religion being just one of many possible scapegoats, and getting rid of religion won't get rid of war.

Chaos Gods are benevolent on their own way. Doesn't matter, religion is a horrible lie that should be stamped out...and we're very much off topic. Make a new topic if you want to discuss it farther. I don't care enough to comment in it or here further, frankly, but feel free either way.

 Deadshot wrote:

Chaos Gods are benevolent on their own way. Doesn't matter, religion is a horrible lie that should be stamped out...

But... like I keep saying, in WH40k it's NOT a lie.

You're trying to use the applis called "Chaos" to prove your real world Orange called "Religion is bad". But Chaos isn't a lie nor are its gods benevolent in the normal sense unlike the real world. The analogy doesn't work at all.

Again, The Last Church is a much more realistic (in terms of applicability to real life) assessment of THAT issue.

 Deadshot wrote:
And what is the truth? that now the galaxy and all of mankind is locked in perpetual warfare because of his actions?

Not perpetual. It's called The Time of Ending for a reason.

Yea, Chaos is making their end-game moves now. Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade has Terra and enveloping the galaxy in warp as the goal this time around (unlike the previous ones which were smaller in scope).

Not just Chaos, but EVERYONE else is making their end-game moves too. Even Gork and Mork, for crying out loud, are setting up Ghaz to take over the galaxy (At least, that's what Ghaz claims). This is heavily emphasized in the latest Ork fluff. You know things have come to a head when Gork and Mork devise a plan, of all things.

Of course, Emps himself is apparently ready to make his own end moves, what with Russ returning from the warp during the 13th Black Crusade and the Lion being stated as finally ready to go as soon as Emps gives the word, etc.

So.... yea. Time of ending.

 Deadshot wrote:
And what is the truth? that now the galaxy and all of mankind is locked in perpetual warfare because of his actions?

It wouldn't be so bad if the unbelievers accepted it as the truth. Then we could all have tentacles and stuff.

That was Lorgars goal, to bring the truth to the fore and get everyone to worship. It was a dumb idea.

 changerofways wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:
They're not among the least popular! I made a thread and they're the third most popular!

I prefer the Alpha Legion personally, then maybe Night Lords, but it doesn't mean they don't hold any appeal

I find it really, really hard to believe that the Thousand Sons are the most played. When I try to buy many of their models in GW stores they say they don't carry them cause no one buys them so I have to go online.

Also 95% of all CSM lists on this Dakka are Nurgle lists.

I really want to express how unlikely it is that most CSM players use Thousand Sons. I think its a reflection of how they're the most liked and people want to play them so they say they do.

As for the Word Bearers, I really dislike them for their zeal. I am disgusted by the idea of them

I run a Tzeentch army. They crush vanilla's every time.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Can't stand 'em.

And not just because the ruined The Imperium to expose a lie.[b]

More because I'm really sick and tired of reading about them in the HH series!

FYP bro. You're welcome

 sierra 1247 wrote:
I like the Gal Vorbak, and Argel Tal. The first true chaos space marine, first possessed marine even. Was actually a decent bloke. Other than him and Lorgar they're a bunch of zealous prats who stop in the middle of brutal combat to pray and crucify some loyalists on the back of their Rhinos.

So they're exactly like loyalists except you replace the loyalists being crucified with heretics.

DaPino wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
I like the Gal Vorbak, and Argel Tal. The first true chaos space marine, first possessed marine even. Was actually a decent bloke. Other than him and Lorgar they're a bunch of zealous prats who stop in the middle of brutal combat to pray and crucify some loyalists on the back of their Rhinos.

So they're exactly like loyalists except you replace the loyalists being crucified with heretics.

Are we talking 40k loyalists or 30k loyalists? Cause I don't like the zealots of the 41st millennium either....

30k loyalists when they still use logic and reason rather than blind faith and unreasonable hatred.

 Deadshot wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
And what is the truth? that now the galaxy and all of mankind is locked in perpetual warfare because of his actions? Pretty selfish thing to do. If someone sent the world into WW3 just to prove or disprove a God or his own beliefs he'd go down in history as the biggest psychopathic scumbag ever, and makes Hilter look like a baby threw its toys out of the pram.

You didn't actually include whether or not that someone succeeded in proving his own beliefs.

Not that I really see the relevance of what you're saying, anyways. You're basically saying Lorgar Is a villain, but that's something most people, including the setting (regardless of all those posters who keep saying "there is no good and evil in the Warhammer universe", the perspective we're given is very clear on Chaos being the "villain" of the setting), agrees with anyways.

I'm using him along with numerous other examples as an example of why I believe relgion is wrong (because someone else carried that line of thought on).

From 'Your thoughts on the Word Bearers' to 'Why I believe religion is wrong'

Way to derail.


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 sierra 1247 wrote:

DaPino wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
I like the Gal Vorbak, and Argel Tal. The first true chaos space marine, first possessed marine even. Was actually a decent bloke. Other than him and Lorgar they're a bunch of zealous prats who stop in the middle of brutal combat to pray and crucify some loyalists on the back of their Rhinos.

So they're exactly like loyalists except you replace the loyalists being crucified with heretics.

Are we talking 40k loyalists or 30k loyalists? Cause I don't like the zealots of the 41st millennium either....

30k loyalists when they still use logic and reason rather than blind faith and unreasonable hatred.

You must love the Black Templars

Emperor's Children is my most hated Chaos Legion, mostly for being pretentious a-holes and I absolutely hate how he used Perturabo but that is for another discussion.

Word Bearer's are probably the next one mostly because of Erebus and their fanaticism just wears one me. Plus, my one problem is that I love Horus in Horus Rising and to know that the Word Bearer's were partly to blame for his falling just grinds my gears.

Also, I like the CSM Legions that had a reason or a tragic falling, the Thousand Sons, the Night Lords, the Iron Warriors and the Alpha Legion all I can understand for turning their back on the Imperium, not that I would ever forgive them for it but those four legions have an interesting story for what happened to them. Everyone else comes across as power hungry megalomaniacs. Although in Mortarion's Heart I got some respect for Mortarion when he tells Draigo that he felt personally betrayed by Garro's loyalty to the Imperium.

Everyone else doesn't have this humanization and seems more malevolent in tone especially the Word Bearer's.

I dislike religion in real life, but I still like the Word Bearers. I do not see how disapproving of religion IRL is relevant to liking the faction. After all, I like Chaos Space Marines overall, despite not approving of wanton destruction, mass murder and genocidal rampages outside of fiction!

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
And what is the truth? that now the galaxy and all of mankind is locked in perpetual warfare because of his actions? Pretty selfish thing to do. If someone sent the world into WW3 just to prove or disprove a God or his own beliefs he'd go down in history as the biggest psychopathic scumbag ever, and makes Hilter look like a baby threw its toys out of the pram.

You didn't actually include whether or not that someone succeeded in proving his own beliefs.

Not that I really see the relevance of what you're saying, anyways. You're basically saying Lorgar Is a villain, but that's something most people, including the setting (regardless of all those posters who keep saying "there is no good and evil in the Warhammer universe", the perspective we're given is very clear on Chaos being the "villain" of the setting), agrees with anyways.

I'm using him along with numerous other examples as an example of why I believe relgion is wrong (because someone else carried that line of thought on).

From 'Your thoughts on the Word Bearers' to 'Why I believe religion is wrong'

Way to derail.

I think you'll find that I dislike the Word Bearers due to "religion is wrong" and someone questioned it. I was content enough to leave it at that statement.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
I dislike religion in real life, but I still like the Word Bearers. I do not see how disapproving of religion IRL is relevant to liking the faction. After all, I like Chaos Space Marines overall, despite not approving of wanton destruction, mass murder and genocidal rampages outside of fiction!

Last OT post


I dislike all religion. I hate it as a concept, idea, in practise and in theory. It doesn't matter whether it is a fictional religion or Christianity, I reject all ideas of religion.

 Deadshot wrote:


From 'Your thoughts on the Word Bearers' to 'Why I believe religion is wrong'

In 40k though, religion is right. It's the one thing that is holding the Imperiun together, that one belief in the God Empeor of mankind.

Who do the citizens of 40k have to thank for that

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


From 'Your thoughts on the Word Bearers' to 'Why I believe religion is wrong'

In 40k though, religion is right. It's the one thing that is holding the Imperiun together, that one belief in the God Empeor of mankind.

Who do the citizens of 40k have to thank for that

Not the Word Bearer's. The modern Imperial Creed was started on the Eisenstein when the first miracle was performed by Euphrati Keeler in the Emperor's name which convinced most on that ship of the Emperor's divinity including Nathaniel Garro. The Word Bearer's may have preached the Emperor was a god but it is not the foundation of the Imperial Creed.

 Envihon wrote:

Not the Word Bearer's. The modern Imperial Creed was started on the Eisenstein when the first miracle was performed by Euphrati Keeler in the Emperor's name which convinced most on that ship of the Emperor's divinity including Nathaniel Garro. The Word Bearer's may have preached the Emperor was a god but it is not the foundation of the Imperial Creed.

Not the Word Bearers correct, but find out about the Lectitio Divinitatus , the religion that Keeler adopted and you'll see who I mean

 Deadshot wrote:


I'm using him along with numerous other examples as an example of why I believe relgion is wrong (because someone else carried that line of thought on).

Ah the real world trying to apply itself to 40k again. Sigh

Well "relgion" probably would have spanked you over the knuckle's for spelling it wrong.

Religion isn't really that much different from science. They both have their hand waving nut jobs, there's a few that make hitler look like a baby. Do i care what you personally believe? haha nope. How ever i hope your a choas player.

Your thoughts and preference's are heretical in this day and age.

To Citizen.

Please stand by for a visit from your local Arbite, he will accompany you to the local sector house. Where a interview has been arranged for you with your local friendly Inquisitor. Should you pass said interview, having mentioned science, the mechanicum would like to know exactly what you know.


Thank you Citizen

Your co operation is expected. Any resistance will be meet with ultimate force.




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 Envihon wrote:


Not the Word Bearer's. The modern Imperial Creed was started on the Eisenstein when the first miracle was performed by Euphrati Keeler in the Emperor's name which convinced most on that ship of the Emperor's divinity including Nathaniel Garro. The Word Bearer's may have preached the Emperor was a god but it is not the foundation of the Imperial Creed.

Hmm i wonder who was in the religious book writing business at the time, and where on Colchis it could have come from

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

Not the Word Bearer's. The modern Imperial Creed was started on the Eisenstein when the first miracle was performed by Euphrati Keeler in the Emperor's name which convinced most on that ship of the Emperor's divinity including Nathaniel Garro. The Word Bearer's may have preached the Emperor was a god but it is not the foundation of the Imperial Creed.

Not the Word Bearers correct, but find out about the Lectitio Divinitatus , the religion that Keeler adopted and you'll see who I mean

Okay, so Lorgar is the one who wrote it so technically that means that Lorgar both saved and doomed the Imperium at the same time which one could then argue that if the Emperor would of just left Lorgar alone and let people worship him that the Horus Heresy may not have happened, the Word Bearers would of never fell in the first place to corrupt Horus and this would of dealt a serious blow to the Chaos Gods plans.