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**Nevelon**

Glorywarrior wrote:
Murdius Maximus wrote:
Space Wolves saw the Furioso Dreadnought and became insanely envious.

No, it was the Death Company Dreadnought. They are so alike, except their claws do different things.

They should work out an exchange program, so they can both field murderbloodclaw dreads!

**Janthkin**

Murderclaw on one hand, Blood Talon on the other?

**Grimtuff**

Blacksails wrote:

Murderfang being found on the planet Omnicide is not even close to that. It is devoid of all depth, all cleverness, and any sort of attempt to truly tie into the faction. It's awkwardly implemented and ultimately adds nothing to the army's background besides another mindless killing machine.

It was obviously an attempt to replicate what they'd done in the past with other characters. Wazzdakka's main base of operations being on Scalex VI for example. But this one just falls flat due to the overuse of "murder".

It's such a shame as Space Wolves had some great little punny character names like Erik Morkai and Irnst the Wise , even Canis Wolfborn was alright IMO (no worse than Remus Lupin or Sirius Black) and it fit thematically.

But... Murderfang.

**Macharius.**

is it true if you say HIS name three times in the mirror he manifests and commits carnage?

**Grimtuff**

Macharius. wrote:
is it true if you say HIS name three times in the mirror he manifests and commits carnage?

No, murder.

**God In Action**

squidhills wrote:
Am I to assume that GW heard us all kvetching about the "wolfy wolf wolf wolferson" of the previous codex and decided to swap "murder" for "wolf" for this release?

The fluff for this model is... umm... er.... y'know what? I don't have the words. The English language is not sufficient to adequately describe how absolutely pants-on-head slowed everything about Mr. Silas Q. Murderbot is. Somebody invent new words, fast!

Murderfang is not cromulent.

**flamingkillamajig**

Lynata wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:Dev 2: "Oh cool, sweet, err, but we are already releasing a big flyer, Logan Claus and a new Bjorn model, not really any space for a giant wolf"
It is starting to look a bit like a clown army, innit.

Oh my god that just looks embarrassing. So we have the bane-looking bull-gryns, the 8 bit guitar playing railgun broadsides for tau, the dreadknight, centurions, the storm raven, whatever else I can't remember right now and this freaking thing.

This is actually reminding me part of the reason why I quit 40k. Most warhammer fantasy models range from average or so-so to fantastic whereas with 40k it's embarrassing (usually anything the space marine factions get for the most part as well as tau possibly) to fantastic (dark eldar range).

**Mysterious Pants**

Murderfang!

None can tame the wrath of Murderfang!

This metal-skinned monster was found roaming the hell world of Omnicide...

[Murderfang] will claw, stamp and bite until nothing is left but ruin.

Murderfang is armed with murderclaws!

The... the fail.

**AegisGrimm**

Why exactly could Murderfang not have looked like a sci-fi armored version of a Warpwolf from Hordes? That would be the very image of a wolfen the size of a dreadnought.

I mean, aside from the immediate screams of 'ripping off PP' I would absolutely buy one.

Why not this with beefy armor and maybe even some grafted-on power(murdermurdermurder)claws the size of a dreadnought's?

Although at the least a converted Contemptor would look like it can actually tear through things better than a MKII Washing Machine which can barely reach anything. I mean, the CC arms of the modern dreadnought have never looked like they were in any way combat-capable against anything other than vehicles and buildings.

**Fezman**

Mysterious Pants wrote:
Murderfang!

None can tame the wrath of Murderfang!

This metal-skinned monster was found roaming the hell world of Omnicide...

[Murderfang] will claw, stamp and bite until nothing is left but ruin.

Murderfang is armed with murderclaws!

The... the fail.

The worst thing is, this works if you imagine it as the script for a toy advert on kid's TV.

Murderfang fires two spring loaded Murdermissiles!TM

With just a few name changes, they could have achieved a completely different effect. I would still have questioned the sanity of a bunch of Marines who decide to take a clearly insane war machine home and teach him tricks, but at least there wouldn't be threads laughing at its name, the poor little fella.

**Savageconvoy**

Fezman wrote:
I would still have questioned the sanity of a bunch of Marines who decide to take a clearly insane war machine home and teach him tricks, but at least there wouldn't be threads laughing at its name, the poor little fella.

Just be happy they didn't decide to throw all logic to the wind and weld on a bunch of anti-grav generators and strap a sail on him while they were at it.

But I could totally imagine them taking the crazed shank happy robo-hobo and decide to just drop it on enemy camps.

**CaptainStabby**

I for one would like to welcome our new MurderWolf Codex.

No, no wait, I wouldn't, it's the opposite of that. Nevermind.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Da Butcha wrote:
I'm frustrated with so much of this new Space Wolf stuff that it embarrasses me that collected Space Wolves for so long. I have all these beautiful old metal Space Wolf sculpts, and so much of the newer stuff looks fantastic!

Then I look at them riding wolves, and riding sleds pulled by wolves, and this Murderclaw crap. Ugh. It takes what I had envisioned as this proud, viking-themed army and reduces it to camp.

I mean, the CURSE of the Wulfen is supposed to be horrific, and not something that the Space Wolves just shrug and acknowledge, right? I thought this was a horrible thing, which devolved them into a raging monster. Something that the Wolves put down, or imprisoned within the deepest caverns of the Fang.

Then we get Murder McMurderface who they allow to defile a suit of dreadnought armor suitable for a real hero, and THAW OUT and toss him into battle. They don't even cover up his slavering werewolf face.

I loved the whole "there are no wolves on Fenris" backstory, and the suggestion that the Fenrisian wolves were native Fenrisians and SW supplicants who experienced problems with their genetic modifications and SM implants, and became wolf-like creatures. I thought that angle was grim and tragic, and I liked the part where the narrator recognized the eyes of the 'wolf' as a man he had met. It made more sense than the idea Fenrisian colonizers would have deliberately have predators introduced from Terra and then deliberately make them way more dangerous. It explained why the Space Wolf implantation process only worked on Fenrisians (since they were genetically modified to begin with) and it explained why Fenrisians were able to survive and thrive on such a harsh death-world with medieval era technology.

It also hinted at this solemn tragedy of the Wolves seeing their brethren twist and change. You could see why they would view it with shame and regret. That tied very well into the 13th Company and the curse of the Wulfen, and why these afflicted marines might choose to vanish into the Eye of Terror, and why the Wolves wouldn't speak of them.

Then they turn around and ride on Giant Wolves. Wheee! Did we just kick aside a whole bunch of interesting, tragic fluff in favor of 'Hey, we've got cool wolves, so let's ride them!" or are the Space Wolves just riding around on their horribly mutated battle brothers? Is Logan just forcing mutated, failed aspirants to drag his fat ass along in the snow now?

I just hate everything about it. I hate the goofy, cartoonish way that it presents the Space Wolves. I hate the constant introduction of new technology (look, we have Ice Lasers) in a universe where humanity is supposed to be technologically stagnant (I mean, you could have thought about that before you created the whole idea 25+ years ago...or you could take some effort to introduce RE-DISCOVERY of lost technology, rather than just rolling out new tat). I hate the fact that it seems like GW is just going "Who gives a crap about the background? Make something that looks frickin' cool! I mean, it's not like our IP is valuable or anything. Let's just take a dump on it! Whooo! Ride them wolves!".

I mean, they were called the Space Wolves by others who were ignorant of their ways (at least, in several of their best-selling novels). The Legion actually seemed to scowl about being called that, as if it belittled them. Now they just gave up and went with it? Does this mean that the Salamanders need to ride lizards now? Did the World Eaters go into battle with forks and knives and eat planets? Will the Raven Guard fight on top of giant ravens? Do the Carcharodon need space sharks to ride? Better retcon the Imperial Fists as all using Power Fists, and rename the Feast of Blades the Knuckle Sandwich.

It was the freaking name of the Legion, GW, not their description. It used to be that a rare few SW could control a pack of the smaller Fenrisian wolves, and that was unusual. Now, everybody and their brother is riding one, and they have a werewolf in a dreadnought. Ugh.

I agree with most of this.

I actually don't mind the concept of Thunderwolves and Fenrisian Wolves being used in battle, it would be like the ones who succumb to the curse but still retain enough of their self awareness to be of use instead of just roaming the wastes of Fenris (the latter group being where the Wolfy items come from)... but it's just gotten way too silly. I really liked the way the Space Wolves were portrayed in Prospero Burns and it's closer to the image I had of the SW back when I started them in 2nd edition.

**Jayden63**

I love my Space Wolves, and the reason I still love my Space Wolves is because I don't give a damn about the silly fluff. I really don't.

Space Wolves were first introduced to me as Vikings in Space. And that was cool. I actually don't mind all the wolf pelts and talismans and runes as I think those details help pull them apart from any other space marine on the other side of the table.

But now after reading the fluff, yup they are still vikings in space and nothing GW is going to do will change that. Murderfang is an awesome looking dreadnaught (so long as you get rid of the dumb head), but in my army he is Skarin the Unchained. He is armed with Ice Claws (because I actually think thats pretty cool) and yes he does succumb to Murderlust because a name like that is ok once you get rid of the other murders. I ignore everything GW prints that doesn't fit into my little 40K universe and if I think a model is cool enough, I'll add it to my own. I never let another player dictate to me how my army plays or represents or the fluff behind it. I'm sure as hell not going to let GW do it either.

So yeah, GW can continue with their standard naming conventions all they want, if I dislike it, I'll change it. If it agrees with me, I wont.

I just need to remember, GW is marketing everything to appeal to my son who is 10 and not me who is 40. So I just shake my head and use my 25 years of gaming experience and imagination to forge my own narrative, because at my age I've learned that when it comes to gaming, if you don't enjoy it, no reason to follow it either.

tl/dr - Pick any page out of any codex and the only thing that matters on that page is the numbers and symbols directly belonging to game mechanics. Everything else can be changed to suit each of our personal esthetics if we so choose and no one has any right to say you are doing it wrong.

**Idolator**

Just so were clear. The Emperor's most fanatical warriors. Specifically designed to fight renegade Space Marines and massively suspicious of anything that may be tainted by Chaos.

Just picks up a berserk murder machine and puts it into service without even knowing anything about it!?!

That's the xenophobic and Luddite Space Wolves that I grew up with. "Come join the party....feel free to bring your unknown magical technology and your mysterious intentions!"

**Kilkrazy**

Jayden63 wrote:
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I just need to remember, GW is marketing everything to appeal to my son who is 10 and not me who is 40. So I just shake my head and use my 25 years of gaming experience and imagination to forge my own narrative, because at my age I've learned that when it comes to gaming, if you don't enjoy it, no reason to follow it either.

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This is the key point.

Remember that GW don't want you to be too serious about the rules. That applies to the fluff too.

**Robisagg**

TheKbob wrote:
Let's make his claws of of ICE. PERMANENT ICE! That'll be so...

Spoiler:

...cool!

ICE TO MEET YOU

**Howard A Treesong**

It was never that serious, Rogue Trader started off with a lot of humour, but it tended to be dark humour or pop culture spoofs often with an adult tone. The writers were having a laugh with you. Now it's just childish stuff that look silly and has fluff that would only amuse a ten year old. It's not thoughtful or funny, it's just 'hurr, this one dimensional character just kills stuff because killing is kewl'. The target audience for the is odd given that they claim their demographic is 15-35, but stuff like Mr Murderclaws is somewhat short of that.

**liquidjoshi**

I'm calling this for the rumoured GK release:

Psy'Kor.

Long ago driven insane by thousands of years of isolation, the Dreadnought known only as Psy'Kor was found in the desolate cities of the planet Clairvoyance wandering alone. Reclaimed by his brothers, Psy'Kor now delivers ruination to the enemies of the brotherhood with his Psyclaws. He will cut and smash and psy until nothing is left.
Psy'Kor is armed with Psyclaws!

Pre-order now!

GW, I expect at least 20% royalties from this.

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Mysterious Pants wrote:
Murderfang!

None can tame the wrath of Murderfang!

This metal-skinned monster was found roaming the hell world of Omnicide...

[Murderfang] will claw, stamp and bite until nothing is left but ruin.

Murderfang is armed with murderclaws!

The... the fail.

But this sounds like a catchy jingle more than an ad on a web page...

Edit - Adding jingle improvements:

Automatically Appended Next Post:

GW should have wrote:Murderfang!

[Guitar riff]

None can tame the wrath of Murderfang!

[Second guitar riff]

This metal-skinned monster was found roaming the hell world of Omnicide...

[More guitar riff]

[Murderfang] will claw, stamp and bite until nothing is left but ruin.

[Yep, more guitar]

Murderfang is armed with murderclaws!

[YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!]

[Closing guitar riff]

Pre order now!

**AllSeeingSkink**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:
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I just need to remember, GW is marketing everything to appeal to my son who is 10 and not me who is 40. So I just shake my head and use my 25 years of gaming experience and imagination to forge my own narrative, because at my age I've learned that when it comes to gaming, if you don't enjoy it, no reason to follow it either.

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This is the key point.

Remember that GW don't want you to be too serious about the rules. That applies to the fluff too.

The only serious thing about GW is the prices and aggressive trade practices.

**l1ttlej**

Tigramans wrote:
I can hear the Blood Angels shouting "what the hell, man?"

definately right :(

I thought my dreadnought lightning claws were unique...... I have been proven wrong..

as a side note the 13th company survivor this sounds pretty cool, to bad GW never thought of that.

**also a quick side note..... is GW sure that the dreadnought wasn't painted black and red?? sounds like something our Death Company might've misplaced.....

**Grey elder**

Sigvatr wrote:
You should get 3 so you got a murder of Murderfangs.

Having two would be attempted Murder, and we can't have that.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

I've been wanting to do a 13th Company detachment, at least now they have a Dread that fits the theme!

**Vermis**

Somebody invent new words, fast!

Um... Er... Splunge.*

squidhills wrote:How are wolves more metal than goats? Goats eat metal. Literally.

I feel I also have to step up in support of our caprine friends. After all, they're almost sheep.

(Been toying with the idea to have my homebrew chapter ride giant sheep. It's looking much less fanciful these days)

AegisGrimm wrote:Why exactly could Murderfang not have looked like a sci-fi armored version of a Warpwolf from Hordes? That would be the very image of a wolfen the size of a dreadnought.

'Cos the weird trend for 12' tall ogre-sized werewolves in ttgs needs to go away.

Fezman wrote:
The worst thing is, this works if you imagine it as the script for a toy advert on kid's TV.

The real worst thing is, as others have already pointed out, it is a script for a toy advert. You think this thing was designed to appeal to anyone over the age of 14?
If it does, that's gravy for GW and tragic for the rest of us.

*Special no-prize to anyone who gets it. Without google.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

Do I get partial credit for knowing it's Monty Python but I can't remember exactly what?

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Vermis wrote:
(Been toying with the idea to have my homebrew chapter ride giant sheep. It's looking much less fanciful these days)

If I do marines, they will ride mole. And get mole-men. And subterranean digger vehicles. The Claws of the Underground!

**liquidjoshi**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Vermis wrote:
(Been toying with the idea to have my homebrew chapter ride giant sheep. It's looking much less fanciful these days)

If I do marines, they will ride mole. And get mole-men. And subterranean digger vehicles. The Claws of the Underground!

That sounds far too sensible for GW these days.

**Howard A Treesong**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Do I get partial credit for knowing it's Monty Python but I can't remember exactly what?

It's from the yes-men board meeting sketch. It means something like you agree but not completely, but you aren't being indecisive, and you're definitely not a yes man.

It must be how all GW board meeting go.

**jhe90**

Murderfang, no one asks the is this chaos question.
Kind of sounds like a bezerker not a dreadnought, all it needs to join chaos is some markings and symbols.

No wonder the inquisition asked questions if they do this!

**Savageconvoy**

SW: Wolf Sergeant, we have news from the wolf battle.
SW Sarge: Wolf morning, wolf brother. What wolf news do you bring?
SW: We found an insane rampaging dreadnought that was going on a rampage and would not be reasoned with.
SW Sarge: That's not very wolfy. How did you dispatch with the poor senseless fool?
SW: I'm not sure what you wolf mean. We painted him in our wolf colors and brought him on board the wolf ship.

And then that poor SW was the first marine to ever deepstrike into battle without a jump pack or drop pod.

And people wonder why the Imperium will eventually implode in on itself.