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 Idolator wrote:
you can actually see the guy poking his head out and presumably talk to him!

They already tried that:

Space Wolf: so Mr Murderfang, please tell us all about yourself.

Murderfang; Murder! Murder! Murder!

Space Wolf: Sir, I was asking if you could kindly tell us something about yourself.

Murderfang: MURDER! MURDER! MURDER! MURDER!

Space Wolf: You don't suppose you could maybe write it down?

Murderfang MURDER! MURDER! MURDER! MURDER! MURDER!

*Murders Space Wolf*

Up to you, my main issue with the model is the fact that it's a Dread makes it completely unsuited to the fluff. Hence why I'll be making it a giant wolf with hopefully the tattered remains of it's discarded Dread armour hanging off it.

See, I don't think this fluff is cheesy, or silly, like other fluff examples.

This fluff isn't clever, or witty, or funny, or particularly original. There's no play on words, or references, or any meaningful depth. Its just murder repeated three times.

There's plenty of over the top and fun 40k fluff; Marbo springs to mind. That's fluff done right. Its obviously a rip on Rambo, but its written in such a way to actually make you chuckle and endear his character to you.

Murderfang being found on the planet Omnicide is not even close to that. It is devoid of all depth, all cleverness, and any sort of attempt to truly tie into the faction. It's awkwardly implemented and ultimately adds nothing to the army's background besides another mindless killing machine.

Much of the 40k universe is filled with tongue-in-cheek jokes and references. A lot of is a silly idea or premise, but developed and written well enough to actually be worth reading. Orks are a great example of this all around. The 4th ed book was equal parts funny and gritty. This MurderMurder is quite literally the equivalent of a 12 year old attempting to emulate what professional writers have accomplished for the 40k universe.

So yes, a lot of the 40k background is silly. A lot of it is funny and over the top. But the difference is that its written well. There's inherently unique about Orks or Elves as a concept; nearly every sci-fi or fantasy setting is filled with similar examples. The difference is how its developed.

MurderMurderMurder does not a clever addition make.

It is laughable.

 Lynata wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:Dev 2: "Oh cool, sweet, err, but we are already releasing a big flyer, Logan Claus and a new Bjorn model, not really any space for a giant wolf"

It is starting to look a bit like a clown army, innit.

Wait, wait, wait. Hold up. Is that thing for real? I haven't been paying attention to the new releases. Is that actually something GW put out?

 Blacksails wrote:
It is laughable.

Even that is giving it too much credit. I find it tragic.

 Purifier wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
It is laughable.

Even that is giving it too much credit. I find it tragic.

I couldn't very well call it tragic.

I already did earlier.

Y'know a while back I made a Chaos/Space Wolf Army with Bloodzerker squads, Lord Bludwulf as my leader and rhinos with GINORMOUS SKULLS replacing the front armor.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-849_BLOOD%21zerkers.html

Looking back I see I was too subtle.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Y'know a while back I made a Chaos/Space Wolf Army with Bloodzerker squads, Lord Bludwulf as my leader and rhinos with GINORMOUS SKULLS replacing the front armor.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-849_BLOOD%21zerkers.html

Looking back I see I was too subtle.

Expect an offer of employment soon.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Y'know a while back I made a Chaos/Space Wolf Army with Bloodzerker squads, Lord Bludwulf as my leader and rhinos with GINORMOUS SKULLS replacing the front armor.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-849_BLOOD%21zerkers.html

Looking back I see I was too subtle.

Those O'BLOODerators redeemed your subtleties elsewhere for you

 Blacksails wrote:
See, I don't think this fluff is cheesy, or silly, like other fluff examples.

This fluff isn't clever, or witty, or funny, or particularly original. There's no play on words, or references, or any meaningful depth. Its just murder repeated three times.

There's plenty of over the top and fun 40k fluff; Marbo springs to mind. That's fluff done right. Its obviously a rip on Rambo, but its written in such a way to actually make you chuckle and endear his character to you.

Murderfang being found on the planet Omnicide is not even close to that. It is devoid of all depth, all cleverness, and any sort of attempt to truly tie into the faction. It's awkwardly implemented and ultimately adds nothing to the army's background besides another mindless killing machine.

Much of the 40k universe is filled with tongue-in-cheek jokes and references. A lot of is a silly idea or premise, but developed and written well enough to actually be worth reading. Orks are a great example of this all around. The 4th ed book was equal parts funny and gritty. This MurderMurder is quite literally the equivalent of a 12 year old attempting to emulate what professional writers have accomplished for the 40k universe.

So yes, a lot of the 40k background is silly. A lot of it is funny and over the top. But the difference is that its written well. There's inherently unique about Orks or Elves as a concept; nearly every sci-fi or fantasy setting is filled with similar examples. The difference is how its developed.

MurderMurderMurder does not a clever addition make.

It is laughable.

I see what you mean. The issue is, if they had made Murderfang basically be a Wolverine-ripoff, people would'v been annoyed because of that.

I don't like Murderfang's current fluff, because it's far too basic. This has more to do with the fact that units get 6 lines of fluff these days, which doesn't give writers a lot to work with in the first place. I think Murderfang has potential anyway. What if Omnicide was named that for a reason? Maybe it had another name before a massive war took place. The sons of Russ may have taken part in that war, but they were not victorious. Maybe there was no victory to be had on Omnicide and everyone involved was killed somehow, except for Murderfang. Maybe Murderfang became a wulfen willingly to fight against whatever it was that killed his pack members, knowing there was no way back once he had transformed. Heck, what if Omnicide still houses the very beast that destroyed xenos and astartes alike and no one knows about it because the only survivor, a crazed venerable dreadnought is in no shape to talk about it (or anything else for that matter) anymore!

I can see why people are not fond of Murderfang, but you can simply choose to have a different interpretation of him. Maybe in your view the mass-murdering murder-master Murder 'I'm a killer lunchbox' Fang is actually just a very old venerable dreadnought who is really good at cutting xenos with his wolf claws. The whole 'werewolf in dreadnought armor' is just propaganda, spread by the enemies of Russ and the All-father. Or maybe it's even worse than that and Murderfang has given in completely to the chapter's curse and has become a massive fenrisian wolf.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:Dev 2: "Oh cool, sweet, err, but we are already releasing a big flyer, Logan Claus and a new Bjorn model, not really any space for a giant wolf"

It is starting to look a bit like a clown army, innit.

Wait, wait, wait. Hold up. Is that thing for real? I haven't been paying attention to the new releases. Is that actually something GW put out?

Yes. If they'd just done a proper wheeled chariot, complete with blades on the axles, I think I'd have liked it more. It would still have been daft and over the top (I've never thought chariots belong in 40K though), but "rule of cool" might have made it pretty likeable. Instead we have half a flying rowing boat with various spare SW bits stuck on.

I can imagine the reins being severed and the hovering part just drifting off, away from the battle...

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Y'know a while back I made a Chaos/Space Wolf Army with Bloodzerker squads, Lord Bludwulf as my leader and rhinos with GINORMOUS SKULLS replacing the front armor.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-849_BLOOD%21zerkers.html

Looking back I see I was too subtle.

Expect an offer of employment soon.

I can see I'll need to add Murderfang, Slaughtertooth, Killercuspid and Executionincisor to my army.

 Fezman wrote:


I can imagine the reins being severed and the hovering part thing just drifting off, away from the battle...

Don't make me laugh that hard. It's late here.

Personally I see Murderfang's fluff as he's a relic of the lost 13th Great Company, suffering not only from millennia in the Eye of Terror but also from the Curse of the Wulfen.

 Lynata wrote:

Y'see, it's not an inherantly stupid design. I mean from an asthetic standpoint. It's a stupid idea, of course (How many chariots did the vikings rock? None? Thought so) but the design isn't bad... for literally anything other than a chariot. The chariot is made to look like the front end of a viking long boat. Why not nix the chariot idea and put that longboat prow on the front of a new troop-carrying flyer? The SW get one of those, right? I haven't been paying attention. Wouldn't that be cooler? A bunch of SW riding to battle in a flying longboat? At the very least it would be better than a chariot that no viking ever used, or even saw in his life (chariots having gone the way of the dodo centuries before the vikings). Not to mention it would probably look better than the latest flying brick that seems to be synonymous with SMs.

BrianDavion wrote:
it's the space wolves, intelligence is for dem ultramarines guys!

Untrue. The Space Wolves want everyone to think they're stupid so they'll underestimate them. Then they rip you to shreds in combat.

When I first heard the rumors about this guy, well, I thought it was kinda stupid. Well... saw a little thing on BoLS with a similar story, and I just rolled with it. Posted the following to my FLGS Facebook page:

Teh Space Puppies R rumored to get a new character dreadnaught named "Murderfang". I thought this was ridiculous and something a child would come up with. Then I read this post: "If i was going to war with another alien or superhuman race and they had a machine called a MURDERFANG and it had 2 F'ing blenders for hands and it called them MURDERCLAWS id be pooping my alien trousers...especially if a drop pod just plowed into the ground 6 feet from my squad it ran out, MURDERCLAWS blurring and spinning, and it proceeded to barf heavy flamer all over me and my alien buds." My reply: "ROFLMAO I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. It's true though- if I was an alien race going to war with a race with a robot crewed with the (mostly) dead soldier named Murderfang with weapons called Murderclaws, it might give me pause. Here I have my XV-8B1 Crisis Suit armed with a MK II Missile Salvo system, J-52 Fusion Assault Weapon System, the latest TRU-37 Scanning and Tracking System crewed by the best trained battle veteran pilot in my army, and the enemy has MURDERFANG." I'm gonna have to buy this model now just because of this visual.

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 Random Dude wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
it's the space wolves, intelligence is for dem ultramarines guys!

Untrue. The Space Wolves want everyone to think they're stupid so they'll underestimate them. Then they rip you to shreds in combat.

Yeah, they rip you to shreds with their Wolfclaws, Murderclaws, and Frost-whatevers made with alien ice that never metls... LOL

squidhills wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Y'see, it's not an inherantly stupid design. I mean from an asthetic standpoint. It's a stupid idea, of course (How many chariots did the vikings rock? None? Thought so) but the design isn't bad... for literally anything other than a chariot. The chariot is made to look like the front end of a viking long boat. Why not nix the chariot idea and put that longboat prow on the front of a new troop-carrying flyer? The SW get one of those, right? I haven't been paying attention. Wouldn't that be cooler? A bunch of SW riding to battle in a flying longboat? At the very least it would be better than a chariot that no viking ever used, or even saw in his life (chariots having gone the way of the dodo centuries before the vikings). Not to mention it would probably look better than the latest flying brick that seems to be synonymous with SMs.

I'm pretty sure it's meant to reference Thor's chariot pulled by two goats, only now they're wolves because wolves are MORE METAL.

I'm frustrated with so much of this new Space Wolf stuff that it embarrasses me that collected Space Wolves for so long. I have all these beautiful old metal Space Wolf sculpts, and so much of the newer stuff looks fantastic!

Then I look at them riding wolves, and riding sleds pulled by wolves, and this Murderclaw crap. Ugh. It takes what I had envisioned as this proud, viking-themed army and reduces it to camp.

I mean, the CURSE of the Wulfen is supposed to be horrific, and not something that the Space Wolves just shrug and acknowledge, right? I thought this was a horrible thing, which devolved them into a raging monster. Something that the Wolves put down, or imprisoned within the deepest caverns of the Fang.

Then we get Murder McMurderface who they allow to defile a suit of dreadnought armor suitable for a real hero, and THAW OUT and toss him into battle. They don't even cover up his slavering werewolf face.

I loved the whole "there are no wolves on Fenris" backstory, and the suggestion that the Fenrisian wolves were native Fenrisians and SW supplicants who experienced problems with their genetic modifications and SM implants, and became wolf-like creatures. I thought that angle was grim and tragic, and I liked the part where the narrator recognized the eyes of the 'wolf' as a man he had met. It made more sense than the idea Fenrisian colonizers would have deliberately have predators introduced from Terra and then deliberately make them way more dangerous. It explained why the Space Wolf implantation process only worked on Fenrisians (since they were genetically modified to begin with) and it explained why Fenrisians were able to survive and thrive on such a harsh death-world with medieval era technology.

It also hinted at this solemn tragedy of the Wolves seeing their brethren twist and change. You could see why they would view it with shame and regret. That tied very well into the 13th Company and the curse of the Wulfen, and why these afflicted marines might choose to vanish into the Eye of Terror, and why the Wolves wouldn't speak of them.




Then they turn around and ride on Giant Wolves. Wheee! Did we just kick aside a whole bunch of interesting, tragic fluff in favor of 'Hey, we've got cool wolves, so let's ride them!" or are the Space Wolves just riding around on their horribly mutated battle brothers? Is Logan just forcing mutated, failed aspirants to drag his fat ass along in the snow now?

I just hate everything about it. I hate the goofy, cartoonish way that it presents the Space Wolves. I hate the constant introduction of new technology (look, we have Ice Lasers) in a universe where humanity is supposed to be technologically stagnant (I mean, you could have thought about that before you created the whole idea 25+ years ago...or you could take some effort to introduce RE-DISCOVERY of lost technology, rather than just rolling out new tat). I hate the fact that it seems like GW is just going "Who gives a crap about the background? Make something that looks frickin' cool! I mean, it's not like our IP is valuable or anything. Let's just take a dump on it! Whooo! Ride them wolves!".


I mean, they were called the Space Wolves by others who were ignorant of their ways (at least, in several of their best-selling novels). The Legion actually seemed to scowl about being called that, as if it belittled them. Now they just gave up and went with it? Does this mean that the Salamanders need to ride lizards now? Did the World Eaters go into battle with forks and knives and eat planets? Will the Raven Guard fight on top of giant ravens? Do the Carcharodon need space sharks to ride? Better retcon the Imperial Fists as all using Power Fists, and rename the Feast of Blades the Knuckle Sandwich.

It was the freaking name of the Legion, GW, not their description. It used to be that a rare few SW could control a pack of the smaller Fenrisian wolves, and that was unusual. Now, everybody and their brother is riding one, and they have a werewolf in a dreadnought. Ugh.

 Tamwulf wrote:
When I first heard the rumors about this guy, well, I thought it was kinda stupid. Well... saw a little thing on BoLS with a similar story, and I just rolled with it. Posted the following to my FLGS Facebook page:

Teh Space Puppies R rumored to get a new character dreadnaught named "Murderfang". I thought this was ridiculous and something a child would come up with. Then I read this post: "If i was going to war with another alien or superhuman race and they had a machine called a MURDERFANG and it had 2 F'ing blenders for hands and it called them MURDERCLAWS id be pooping my alien trousers...especially if a drop pod just plowed into the ground 6 feet from my squad it ran out, MURDERCLAWS blurring and spinning, and it proceeded to barf heavy flamer all over me and my alien buds." My reply: "ROFLMAO I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. It's true though- if I was an alien race going to war with a race with a robot crewed with the (mostly) dead soldier named Murderfang with weapons called Murderclaws, it might give me pause. Here I have my XV-8B1 Crisis Suit armed with a MK II Missile Salvo system, J-52 Fusion Assault Weapon System, the latest TRU-37 Scanning and Tracking System crewed by the best trained battle veteran pilot in my army, and the enemy has MURDERFANG." I'm gonna have to buy this model now just because of this visual.

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 Random Dude wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
it's the space wolves, intelligence is for dem ultramarines guys!

Untrue. The Space Wolves want everyone to think they're stupid so they'll underestimate them. Then they rip you to shreds in combat.

Yeah, they rip you to shreds with their Wolfclaws, Murderclaws, and Frost-whatevers made with alien ice that never metls... LOL

Here's an invention that would really help GW- a Thesaurus!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


I'm pretty sure it's meant to reference Thor's chariot pulled by two goats, only now they're wolves because wolves are MORE METAL.

How are wolves more metal than goats? Goats eat metal. Literally.

Da Butcha wrote:
I'm frustrated with so much of this new Space Wolf stuff that it embarrasses me that collected Space Wolves for so long. I have all these beautiful old metal Space Wolf sculpts, and so much of the newer stuff looks fantastic!

Then I look at them riding wolves, and riding sleds pulled by wolves, and this Murderclaw crap. Ugh. It takes what I had envisioned as this proud, viking-themed army and reduces it to camp.

I mean, the CURSE of the Wulfen is supposed to be horrific, and not something that the Space Wolves just shrug and acknowledge, right? I thought this was a horrible thing, which devolved them into a raging monster. Something that the Wolves put down, or imprisoned within the deepest caverns of the Fang.

Then we get Murder McMurderface who they allow to defile a suit of dreadnought armor suitable for a real hero, and THAW OUT and toss him into battle. They don't even cover up his slavering werewolf face.

I loved the whole "there are no wolves on Fenris" backstory, and the suggestion that the Fenrisian wolves were native Fenrisians and SW supplicants who experienced problems with their genetic modifications and SM implants, and became wolf-like creatures. I thought that angle was grim and tragic, and I liked the part where the narrator recognized the eyes of the 'wolf' as a man he had met. It made more sense than the idea Fenrisian colonizers would have deliberately have predators introduced from Terra and then deliberately make them way more dangerous. It explained why the Space Wolf implantation process only worked on Fenrisians (since they were genetically modified to begin with) and it explained why Fenrisians were able to survive and thrive on such a harsh death-world with medieval era technology.

It also hinted at this solemn tragedy of the Wolves seeing their brethren twist and change. You could see why they would view it with shame and regret. That tied very well into the 13th Company and the curse of the Wulfen, and why these afflicted marines might choose to vanish into the Eye of Terror, and why the Wolves wouldn't speak of them.




Then they turn around and ride on Giant Wolves. Wheee! Did we just kick aside a whole bunch of interesting, tragic fluff in favor of 'Hey, we've got cool wolves, so let's ride them!" or are the Space Wolves just riding around on their horribly mutated battle brothers? Is Logan just forcing mutated, failed aspirants to drag his fat ass along in the snow now?

I just hate everything about it. I hate the goofy, cartoonish way that it presents the Space Wolves. I hate the constant introduction of new technology (look, we have Ice Lasers) in a universe where humanity is supposed to be technologically stagnant (I mean, you could have thought about that before you created the whole idea 25+ years ago...or you could take some effort to introduce RE-DISCOVERY of lost technology, rather than just rolling out new tat). I hate the fact that it seems like GW is just going "Who gives a crap about the background? Make something that looks frickin' cool! I mean, it's not like our IP is valuable or anything. Let's just take a dump on it! Whooo! Ride them wolves!".


I mean, they were called the Space Wolves by others who were ignorant of their ways (at least, in several of their best-selling novels). The Legion actually seemed to scowl about being called that, as if it belittled them. Now they just gave up and went with it? Does this mean that the Salamanders need to ride lizards now? Did the World Eaters go into battle with forks and knives and eat planets? Will the Raven Guard fight on top of giant ravens? Do the Carcharodon need space sharks to ride? Better retcon the Imperial Fists as all using Power Fists, and rename the Feast of Blades the Knuckle Sandwich.

It was the freaking name of the Legion, GW, not their description. It used to be that a rare few SW could control a pack of the smaller Fenrisian wolves, and that was unusual. Now, everybody and their brother is riding one, and they have a werewolf in a dreadnought. Ugh.

Until I stopped playing GW games, I was really considering making a SW army. I really was. I loved the Space Wolves. Or rather, I loved what they used to be. Now they're just un-funny parodies of themselves.

squidhills wrote:
How are wolves more metal than goats? Goats eat metal. Literally.

IIRC, Brütal Legend has metal goats, but no wolves, so goats win.

Cacharadons most definitely DO need giant space sharks to ride into battle.

 MWHistorian wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:
I'm frustrated with so much of this new Space Wolf stuff that it embarrasses me that collected Space Wolves for so long. I have all these beautiful old metal Space Wolf sculpts, and so much of the newer stuff looks fantastic!

Then I look at them riding wolves, and riding sleds pulled by wolves, and this Murderclaw crap. Ugh. It takes what I had envisioned as this proud, viking-themed army and reduces it to camp.

I mean, the CURSE of the Wulfen is supposed to be horrific, and not something that the Space Wolves just shrug and acknowledge, right? I thought this was a horrible thing, which devolved them into a raging monster. Something that the Wolves put down, or imprisoned within the deepest caverns of the Fang.

Then we get Murder McMurderface who they allow to defile a suit of dreadnought armor suitable for a real hero, and THAW OUT and toss him into battle. They don't even cover up his slavering werewolf face.

I loved the whole "there are no wolves on Fenris" backstory, and the suggestion that the Fenrisian wolves were native Fenrisians and SW supplicants who experienced problems with their genetic modifications and SM implants, and became wolf-like creatures. I thought that angle was grim and tragic, and I liked the part where the narrator recognized the eyes of the 'wolf' as a man he had met. It made more sense than the idea Fenrisian colonizers would have deliberately have predators introduced from Terra and then deliberately make them way more dangerous. It explained why the Space Wolf implantation process only worked on Fenrisians (since they were genetically modified to begin with) and it explained why Fenrisians were able to survive and thrive on such a harsh death-world with medieval era technology.

It also hinted at this solemn tragedy of the Wolves seeing their brethren twist and change. You could see why they would view it with shame and regret. That tied very well into the 13th Company and the curse of the Wulfen, and why these afflicted marines might choose to vanish into the Eye of Terror, and why the Wolves wouldn't speak of them.




Then they turn around and ride on Giant Wolves. Wheee! Did we just kick aside a whole bunch of interesting, tragic fluff in favor of 'Hey, we've got cool wolves, so let's ride them!" or are the Space Wolves just riding around on their horribly mutated battle brothers? Is Logan just forcing mutated, failed aspirants to drag his fat ass along in the snow now?

I just hate everything about it. I hate the goofy, cartoonish way that it presents the Space Wolves. I hate the constant introduction of new technology (look, we have Ice Lasers) in a universe where humanity is supposed to be technologically stagnant (I mean, you could have thought about that before you created the whole idea 25+ years ago...or you could take some effort to introduce RE-DISCOVERY of lost technology, rather than just rolling out new tat). I hate the fact that it seems like GW is just going "Who gives a crap about the background? Make something that looks frickin' cool! I mean, it's not like our IP is valuable or anything. Let's just take a dump on it! Whooo! Ride them wolves!".


I mean, they were called the Space Wolves by others who were ignorant of their ways (at least, in several of their best-selling novels). The Legion actually seemed to scowl about being called that, as if it belittled them. Now they just gave up and went with it? Does this mean that the Salamanders need to ride lizards now? Did the World Eaters go into battle with forks and knives and eat planets? Will the Raven Guard fight on top of giant ravens? Do the Carcharodon need space sharks to ride? Better retcon the Imperial Fists as all using Power Fists, and rename the Feast of Blades the Knuckle Sandwich.

It was the freaking name of the Legion, GW, not their description. It used to be that a rare few SW could control a pack of the smaller Fenrisian wolves, and that was unusual. Now, everybody and their brother is riding one, and they have a werewolf in a dreadnought. Ugh.

Until I stopped playing GW games, I was really considering making a SW army. I really was. I loved the Space Wolves. Or rather, I loved what they used to be. Now they're just un-funny parodies of themselves.

Space Wolves always seemed cool to me. Now, GW has ruined them.

*edit because wordz is hard

 SHUPPET wrote:
Cacharadons most definitely DO need giant space sharks to ride into battle.

Flyer? Sharknado.

 TheKbob wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Cacharadons most definitely DO need giant space sharks to ride into battle.

Flyer? Sharknado.

Sweet.

Looks like we're ALL getting jobs at GW if this keeps up

 TheKbob wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Cacharadons most definitely DO need giant space sharks to ride into battle.

Flyer? Sharknado.

It even fits into the weather + noun GW marine flyer naming system.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Space Wolves saw the Furioso Dreadnought and became insanely envious.

No, it was the Death Company Dreadnought. They are so alike, except their claws do different things.