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Prestor Jon wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/


Forbes featuring a pro-corporate anti-regulation op-ed piece? Never saw that one coming.

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 daedalus wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/


Forbes featuring a pro-corporate anti-regulation op-ed piece? Never saw that one coming.


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 whembly wrote:

However, the idea that creating a "fast lane" is going to be a bad thing is crazy pants imo.


For the hundredth thousandth time: there is no such thing as a fast lane in internet infrastructure! The only way that the cable companies will be able to create a "fast lane" is by making every non-paying content provider go slower and the paying content providers will get to keep their current speed.
   
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PhantomViper wrote:
 whembly wrote:

However, the idea that creating a "fast lane" is going to be a bad thing is crazy pants imo.


For the hundredth thousandth time: there is no such thing as a fast lane in internet infrastructure! The only way that the cable companies will be able to create a "fast lane" is by making every non-paying content provider go slower and the paying content providers will get to keep their current speed.

It's called " paid prioritization " in a "peering agreemment/content delivery' model.

The debate is misdirected imo...

Here's a great image:


What we really be doing is looking for ways we can increase competition among ISPs & companies providing Peering / Content Delivery arraignments.


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That image doesn't have anything to do with the concept of net neutrality that is in discussion and is nothing but an obvious attempt to muddy the debate by the part of the cable companies...

Peering agreements have existed for almost 10 years but the issue isn't and never was about peering agreements, its about giving the cable companies the power to restrict or limit access to the backbones themselves unless they get paid more.
   
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PhantomViper wrote:
That image doesn't have anything to do with the concept of net neutrality that is in discussion and is nothing but an obvious attempt to muddy the debate by the part of the cable companies...

Peering agreements have existed for almost 10 years but the issue isn't and never was about peering agreements, its about giving the cable companies the power to restrict or limit access to the backbones themselves unless they get paid more.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
That image doesn't have anything to do with the concept of net neutrality that is in discussion and is nothing but an obvious attempt to muddy the debate by the part of the cable companies...

Peering agreements have existed for almost 10 years but the issue isn't and never was about peering agreements, its about giving the cable companies the power to restrict or limit access to the backbones themselves unless they get paid more.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


You could have written it in Comic Sans.

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
That image doesn't have anything to do with the concept of net neutrality that is in discussion and is nothing but an obvious attempt to muddy the debate by the part of the cable companies...

Peering agreements have existed for almost 10 years but the issue isn't and never was about peering agreements, its about giving the cable companies the power to restrict or limit access to the backbones themselves unless they get paid more.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


You could have written it in Comic Sans.

Dammit, you made me laugh in the middle of a lecture .

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It has everything to do with Net Neutrality...

Because peering agreements / Content Delivery agreements IS THE FAST LANE!


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Fast lanes are really not the problem. The problem is separate charges for individual site, slowing service for certain sites, and things akin to that.

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Fast lanes are really not the problem. The problem is separate charges for individual site, slowing service for certain sites, and things akin to that.

I'm not saying that ISP are not dicks sometimes (they are).

I'm arguing that more regulation isn't the answer in this case.

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 whembly wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Fast lanes are really not the problem. The problem is separate charges for individual site, slowing service for certain sites, and things akin to that.

I'm not saying that ISP are not dicks sometimes (they are).

I'm arguing that more regulation isn't the answer in this case.

What is the answer then?

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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 whembly wrote:
It has everything to do with Net Neutrality...

Because peering agreements / Content Delivery agreements IS THE FAST LANE!



But that is not what the cable companies are arguing for, they can already make peering agreements with whomever they wan't. And read the article, peering technology only really helps with high traffic providers, it doesn't make them faster than low-traffic providers it just makes them run at the same speed.

The term "fast lane" in itself is a false talking point, because what they wan't isn't the ability to make peering agreements with content providers, like I said, those have been common for almost 10 years now, what they wan't is the power to restrict access to content providers that they don't have a peering agreement with!

They don't wan't to create "fast lanes", they wan't to slow everyone else down.
   
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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Fast lanes are really not the problem. The problem is separate charges for individual site, slowing service for certain sites, and things akin to that.

I'm not saying that ISP are not dicks sometimes (they are).

I'm arguing that more regulation isn't the answer in this case.

What is the answer then?

By looking for ways we can prevent the Comcasts and the Verizons of the world from gaining so much power, such that they can completely control the market for internet bandwidth. Competition,imo, is the best way to stop these types of extreme behavior.

Breakup Comcast/Cox to Baby-Cast/Cox?

I'm MORE worried about Comcast owning Contents as well, than being just a service provider.


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 whembly wrote:

The Obama administration tried and the courts ruled against them TWICE.

The facts remains is that if they're going to be regulated like public utilities, it'll take an act from Congress.

*That said, this is NOT what I had in mind for Republican to "draw the line in the sand". And, imo, it'll be disasterous if Cable companies were regulated like utilities.

Fat chance that'll happen.


The courts ruled against them twice because of their specific status as not classified as "Public utilities". IIRC, the courts even said that could change if they were put under a new classification as public utilities. Also, AFAIK, it doesn't take an act of Congress to change the status to public utilities, merely a decision by the FCC.

You can repeat the "spanked twice" as often as you want, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Unless I'm missing something (entirely possible I admit) the FCC could make the internet a public utility on it's own. That's what I'm hoping for. The internet is as integeral to most American's life now as the phone was 20 years ago. It's time it's status reflected that.

I do think we agree though that breaking up internet companies is a good step though.

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 Ouze wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/

I Want More Competition

Proponents of Net Neutrality say the telecoms have too much power. I agree. Everyone seems to agree that monopolies are bad and competition is good, and just like you, I would like to see more competition. But if monopolies are bad, why should we trust the U.S. government, the largest monopoly of all? We’re talking about the same organization that spent an amount equal to Facebook’s first six years of operating costs to build a health care website that doesn’t work, the same organization that can’t keep the country’s bridges from falling down, and the same organization that spends 320 times what private industry spends to send a rocket into space.


These are some remarkable bad arguments.

1.) Yes, monopolies are bad, and competition is good, but then there is a diatribe about how much "government sucks" without in any way explaining how allowing giant corporate entities to control even more of our infrastructure will allow more competition. It's just that the government is probably worse!

2.) What is this nonsense about the government unable to keep bridges from collapsing? Lets pretend for a second that bridges aren't almost always under the control and maintenance of a state government, and those same state governments don't control the FCC. I mean yeah, only a fool would accept that premise, but screw it, lets do it anyway. Is there some epidemic of bridge collapses I'm unaware of? This country has over 600,000 bridges, and in the last 14 years there have been 16 bridge collapses. Out of those 16, the vast majority were due to some extreme externality - like a barge hitting it, or a construction accident when working on the bridge. Only one accident can be fairly be laid at the fault of design - the big one we all saw on the news. So the argument that while Comcast and Verizon double-dipping is bad, the government is worse because they can't keep tornados from hitting a bridge built in 1882 is sort of laughable.

Why not argue the goverment can't control interstate commerce because they can't even protect us from dying from beestings? It's a better argument, because bees killed more people last year alone than bridge collapses caused in the last 14.

3.) Yeah, the private space industry can rockets into space less expensively now than the government does. Gee, do you think the fact they didn't have to do 53 years of R&D on their designs might have influenced that number a bit?

And again, even though this article is premised on the fact that the reader is a useful idiot and won't dig into the facts at all, screw it, lets do that anyway.

The 320x figure is comparing SpaceX's Dragon capsure to the NASA Orion. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. The Dragon is an uncrewed module that tows stuff to the ISS and can go to the moon - the Dragon v2 will carry crew. That's pretty cool. The Orion can also carry crew, too, and also go to the moon. However, the Dragon v2's design that carries crew hasn't yet been finished - it's first flight will be in 2016. So we really don't know how much less it costs because it hasn't yet been finished.

Additionally, the Orion has other missions planned than lunar. It might go retrieve an asteroid. It might go to Mars. That's TBD, but it's a multipurpose platform with a lot of modular components. That's why the Orion is so much heavier - it's 50,000lbs / 25 tons (as opposed to the Dragon's 9,000lbs / 4.5 tons, and Dragon vs2's estimated - but not yet determined - 8 tons). Now, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I did play some Kerbal Space Program a few times, and it seemed the bigger and heavier something was, the more difficult and expensive it is to launch it into space.

But hey, the government is bad! That's the important thing!





Reading it, it was clearly written from a heavily-biased libertarian perspective (rather than techno-geek like he opens the article saying). The arguments just didn't make a lot of sense, and you know things are getting silly as soon as the founding fathers are mentioned...

   
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Looks like Wheeler is putting some daylights between him and Obama:
http://gizmodo.com/fcc-rumored-to-break-with-obamas-thinking-1657756725


Remember... Wheeler got appointed by Obama himself. He was also a major bundler for Obama’s presidential campaign and served on his transition team, too. 'Tis how he got that job after all...

It’s not as if Wheeler is just some faceless bureaucrat far below Obama’s radar.

Makes you wonder if Obama ever bothered to touch base with his own adviser and appointee in this matter. But, this is what you get for electing a community-organizer.

You sure it's not a "bone" thrown to his base?

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Doesn't he have to do whatever Obama says?

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Doesn't he have to do whatever Obama says?

Nope.

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Huh. Who does he answer to then I wonder.

Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
 kronk wrote:
Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
 sebster wrote:
Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Huh. Who does he answer to then I wonder.

It's an independent agency. Google-fu that brah!

Govern by Congressional statute.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Huh. Who does he answer to then I wonder.


Comcast.

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Huh, that's kind of interesting. Wonder why they chose that out of all the agencies.

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I'm still trying to research this, as I find this stuff fascinating...

It's NOT a clear "Black & White" issue.

Read this...

Absorb this...

Understand this...

The Right Way to Fix the Internet

Rule changes being considered by U.S. regulators could shape the next generation of online services.

If you’re like most people, your monthly smartphone bill is steep enough to make you shudder. As consumers’ appetite for connectivity keeps growing, the price of wireless service in the United States tops $130 a month in many households.

Two years ago Mung Chiang, a professor of electrical engineering at Princeton, believed he could give customers more control. One simple adjustment would clear the way for lots of mobile-phone users to get as much data as they already did, and in some cases even more, on cheaper terms. Carriers could win, too, by nudging customers to reduce peak-period traffic, making some costly network upgrades unnecessary. “We thought we could increase the benefits for everyone,” Chiang recalls.

Chiang’s plan called for the wireless industry to offer its customers the same types of variable pricing that have brought new efficiencies to transportation and utilities. Rates increase during peak periods, when congestion is at its worst; they decrease during slack periods. In the pre-smartphone era, it would have been impossible to advise users ahead of time about a zig or zag in their connectivity charges. Now, it would be straightforward to vary the price of online access depending on congestion and build an app that let bargain hunters shift their activities to cheaper periods, even on a minute-by-minute basis. When prices were high, consumers could put off non-urgent tasks like downloading Facebook posts to read later. Careful users could save a lot of money.

Excited about the prospects, Chiang patented his key concepts. He formed a company, now known as DataMi, to build the necessary software. Venture capitalists and angel investors put $6 million into the company. A seasoned wireless executive, Harjot Saluja, signed on to be the chief executive, while prominent people such as Reed Hundt, a former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, joined DataMi’s advisory board. Everything seemed aligned for Chiang and Saluja as they set out to make “smart data pricing” a reality.

Today, DataMi’s variable pricing idea is on ice. The startup has regrouped in favor of other services, including one that helps businesses calculate how much of their employees’ cell-phone bills should be reimbursed because of work-related usage. The reasons for the switch have little with DataMi’s technical ability to make good on the promise of variable pricing. In early user tests, it delivered everything that DataMi’s patents predicted.

But politics got in the way.

A huge debate has erupted about the degree to which Internet carriers should be subject to a concept known as net neutrality. In its simplest form, the idea is that Internet service providers such as AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon shouldn’t offer preferential treatment to certain types of content. Instead, they should send everything to their customers with their “best efforts”—as fast as they can manage. Nobody can pay your ISP for a “fast lane” to your house. Carriers can’t show favoritism toward any of their own services or applications. And nobody providing lawful content can be slowed or blocked.

At this point, net neutrality is only a principle and not a law. Though the FCC put an ambiguously worded version on the books in 2010, it was struck down this year by a federal district court. But now, as the FCC is deliberating how to redo the policy, it’s facing passionate demands to restore and possibly even tighten the rules, giving ISPs even less leeway to engage in what regulators have typically called “reasonable network management.”



Until about a year ago, Chiang and his colleagues thought their data-pricing idea had so much common-sense appeal that no one would regard it as an assault on net neutrality—even though it would let carriers charge people more for constant access. But then, as the debate heated up, everything got trickier. Ardent defenders of net neutrality began painting ever darker pictures of how the Internet could suffer if anyone treated anyone’s traffic differently. Even though Chiang and Saluja saw variable pricing as pro-consumer, they had no lobbyists or legal team and decided they couldn’t afford a drawn-out battle to establish that they weren’t on the wrong side.

For network engineers, DataMi’s about-face isn’t an isolated example. They fear that overly strict net neutrality rules could limit their ability to reconfigure the Internet so it can handle rapidly growing traffic loads.

Dipankar Raychaudhuri, who studies telecom issues as a professor of electrical and computer engineering at Rutgers University, points out that the Internet never has been entirely neutral. Wireless networks, for example, have been built for many years with features that help identify users whose weak connections are impairing the network with slow traffic and incessant requests for dropped packets to be resent. Carriers’ technology assures that such users’ access is rapidly constrained, so that one person’s bad connection doesn’t create a traffic jam for everyone. In such situations, strict adherence to net neutrality goes by the wayside: one user’s experience is degraded so that hundreds of others don’t suffer. As Raychaudhuri sees it, the Internet has been able to progress because net neutrality has been treated as one of many objectives that can be balanced against one another. If net neutrality becomes completely inviolable, it’s a different story. Inventors’ hands are tied. Other types of progress become harder.

Rather than debate such subtleties, net neutrality’s loudest boosters have been staging a series of simplistic—but highly entertaining—skits in an effort to rally the public to their side. In September, popular websites such as Reddit and Kickstarter simulated page-loading debacles as a way of getting visitors to believe that if net neutrality isn’t enacted, the Internet could slow to a crawl. That argument has been picked up by TV comedians such as Jimmy Kimmel, who showed a track meet in which the best sprinters represented cable companies with their own fast lanes. A stumbling buffoon in his underwear portrayed the shabby delivery standards that everyone else would endure.

Even President Barack Obama has been publicly reminding regulators of his commitment to net neutrality. In August he declared, “You don’t want to start getting a differentiation in how accessible the Internet is to different users. You want to leave it open so the next Google and the next Facebook can succeed.”

Clearly, most Americans aren’t happy with their Internet service. It costs more to get online in the United States than just about anywhere else in the developed world, according to a 2013 survey by the New America Foundation. In fact, U.S. service is sometimes twice as expensive as what’s available in Europe—and slower, too. Meanwhile, the University of Michigan found in a recent public survey that U.S. Internet service providers rank dead last in customer satisfaction scores against 42 other industries. Specific failings range from unreliable service to dismal call-center performance.

With lots of U.S. consumers wanting the government to do something about Internet service, strengthening net neutrality feels like a way to do it. Given that most Internet providers are urging the FCC to let this principle disappear from the books, it’s natural to call for the opposite approach. Yet that would probably be the wrong move. It’s possible to overdose on something even as benign-sounding as neutrality.

Bitstreams

The two sides in the net neutrality debate sometimes seem to speak two different languages, rooted in two different ways of seeing the Internet. Their contrasting perspectives reflect the fact that the Internet arose in an ad hoc fashion; there is no Internet constitution to cite.

Nonetheless, many legal scholars like to point to their equivalent of the Federalist Papers: a 1981 article by computer scientists Jerome Saltzer, David Reed, and David Clark. The authors’ ambitions for that paper (“End-to-End Arguments in System Design”) had been modest: to lay out technical reasons why tasks such as error correction should be performed at the edges, or end points, of the network—where the users are—rather than at the core. In other words, ISPs should operate “dumb pipes” that merely pass traffic along. This paper took on a remarkable second life as the Internet grew. In his 2000 book Code, a discussion of how to regulate the Internet, Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig said the lack of centralized control embodied in the 1981 end-to-end principle was “one of the most important reasons that the Internet produced the innovation and growth that it has enjoyed.”

Tim Wu built on that idea in a 2002 article published when he was a law professor at the University of Virginia. In that and subsequent papers, he wrote that the end-to-end principle stimulated innovation because it made possible “a Darwinian competition among every conceivable use of the Internet so that only the best survive.” To promote that competition, he said, “network neutrality” would be necessary to eliminate bias for or against any particular application.

Wu acknowledged that this was a new concept, with “unavoidable vagueness” about the dividing line between allowable network-management decisions and impermissible bias. But he expressed hope that others would refine his idea and make it more precise.

That never happened. The line remains as blurry as ever, which is one reason the debate over net neutrality is so intense.

Barbara van Schewick, a leading Internet scholar at Stanford and a former member of Lessig’s research team, expresses concern that if profit-hungry companies are left unfettered to choose how to handle various types of traffic, they “will continue to change the internal structure of the Internet in ways that are good for them, but not necessarily for the rest of us.” She warns of the perils of letting Internet providers promote their own versions of popular services (such as Internet messaging or Internet telephony) while degrading or blocking customers’ ability to use independent services (such as WhatsApp in messaging or Skype in telephony). Such practices have occasionally popped up in Germany and other European markets, but they have rarely been seen in the United States, a disparity that van Schewick credits to the FCC’s explicit or implicit commitments to net neutrality.

Internet service providers such as AT&T have publicly insisted that they wouldn’t ever rig their networks to promote their own applications, because such obvious favoritism would cause customers to cancel service en masse. Skeptics counter that in many locales, consumers have little choice but to stick with their current broadband provider, because there is barely any competition.

Van Schewick also argues that it would be a mistake to let the likes of AT&T or Comcast charge independent content and service creators (including Internet telephony providers such as Skype or Vonage) to secure the best possible access to end users. Though such access fees exist in other industries—cereal and toothpaste companies, for example, pay “slotting fees” to major grocers in order to get optimal shelf space in stores—van Schewick warns that charging such fees to online companies would “make it more difficult for entrepreneurs to get outside funding.” In other recent writings, she has said it would be ill-advised to let carriers decide without input from customers whether to optimize different versions of their services for different types of traffic, such as video versus speech and text.

But while van Schewick and other advocates are trying to promote an “open Internet,” codifying too many overarching principles for the Internet makes many engineers uncomfortable. In their view, the network is a constant work in progress, requiring endless pragmatism. Its backbone is constantly being torn apart and rebuilt. The best means of connecting various networks with one another are always in flux.

“You can’t change congestion by passing net neutrality or doing that kind of thing,” says Tom Leighton, cofounder and chief executive of Akamai Technologies. His company has been speeding Internet traffic since the late 1990s, chiefly by providing more than 150,000 servers around the world that make it possible for content creators to store their most-demanded material as close to their various users as possible. It’s the kind of advance in network management that helped the Internet survive the huge increases in traffic over the last two decades. To keep traffic humming online, Leighton says, “you’re going to need technology.”

A central tenet of net neutrality is that “best efforts” should be applied equally when transmitting every packet moving through the Internet, regardless of who the sender, recipient, or carriers might be. But that principle merely freezes the setup of the Internet as it existed nearly a quarter-century ago, says Michael Katz, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, who has worked for the FCC and consulted for Verizon. “You can say that every bit is a bit,” Katz adds, “but every bitstream isn’t the same bitstream.” Video and voice transmissions are highly vulnerable to errors, delays, and packet loss. Data transmissions can survive rougher handling. If some consumers want their Internet connections to deliver ultrahigh-resolution movies with perfect fidelity, those people would be better served, Katz argues, by more flexible arrangements that might indeed prioritize video. Efficiency might be more desirable than a strict adherence to equity for all bits.

House of Cards

About a year ago, Netflix’s customers noticed something disquieting when they tried to stream popular shows such as House of Cards. Their download speeds became annoyingly slow and some shows wouldn’t load at all, regardless of whether these customers relied on Time Warner Cable, Verizon, AT&T, or Comcast. Network congestion had taken hold—with transmission speeds dropping as much as 30 percent, according to Netflix’s own data. Last March, Netflix’s CEO, Reed Hastings, lashed out at the major U.S. Internet service providers, accusing them of constraining Netflix’s performance and pressuring his company to pay big interconnection fees.

Over the next few months, Netflix and its allies portrayed this slowdown as an example of cable companies’ most selfish behavior. In communications with the FCC, Netflix called for a “strong version” of net neutrality that would block the companies from charging fees to online service providers. In his blog, Hastings declared that net neutrality must be “defended and strengthened … to ensure the Internet remains humanity’s most important platform for progress.”

But the situation isn’t as black-and-white as Hastings’s indignant posts suggested.

For many years, high-volume sites run by Facebook, YouTube, Apple, and the like have been negotiating arrangements with many companies that ferry data to your Internet service provider—backbone operators, transit providers, and content delivery networks—to ensure that the most popular content is distributed as smoothly as possible. Often, this means paying a company such as Akamai to stash copies of highly in-demand content on multiple servers all over the world, so that a stampede for World Cup highlights creates as little strain as possible on the overall Internet.

There’s no standard way that these distribution arrangements are negotiated. Sometimes no money changes hands. In other situations, content companies pay for distribution. In theory, distribution companies could pay for content. In Netflix’s case, as demand has skyrocketed for its movies and TV shows, the company has negotiated a wide range of ways to help route its content around the Internet as efficiently as possible.

As Ars Technica reported earlier this year, Netflix started to realign its distribution methods in mid-2013. As its traffic soared, that created greater demands on all the Internet service providers that needed to handle House of Cards and its kin. By some estimates, Netflix last year was accounting for as much as one-third of all U.S. Internet traffic on Friday evenings. One of Netflix’s distribution allies (Level 3) restructured its terms with Comcast, reflecting the expenses associated with extra network connections, known as peering points, that Comcast needed to install in order to handle this rising traffic. Another (Cogent Communications) balked at the idea of defraying Comcast’s costs, and as a result, additional connections from Cogent to Comcast weren’t installed.

The result: Netflix’s videos began to stutter. In the short term, Netflix resolved the problem by paying for more of the peering points that carriers such as Comcast and Verizon required. More strategically, Netflix is arranging to put its servers in Internet service providers’ facilities, providing them with easier access to its content.

In the long run, carriers and content companies are likely to keep tussling about the ways they connect—simply because these are the sorts of business contracts that must be revisited as circumstances change. That’s why Hundt, FCC chairman from 1993 to 1997, says it’s a mistake to portray Netflix’s scuffle with the carriers as a critical test of the neutrality principle. It’s more like a routine business dispute, he says. “This is a battle between the rich and the wealthy,” he adds. “Both sides will have to figure out, on their own, how to get along.”

Hundt says the Netflix fight shouldn’t distract regulators who are trying to figure out the best way to keep the Internet open. They should be focusing, he says, on making sure that everyday customers are getting high-speed Internet as cheaply and reliably as possible, and that small-time publishers of Internet content can distribute their work. It’s worth noting that much of the lobbying in favor of net neutrality is coming from large, publicly traded companies that make momentary allusions to the well-being of garage-type startups but are mainly focused on disputes that apply to the Internet’s biggest players. A tiny video startup doesn’t generate enough volume to force Comcast to install extra peering points.

Zero Rating

In the rest of the world, where net neutrality is not insisted on, innovative approaches to wireless Internet pricing are catching on. At the top of the list is “zero rating,” in which consumers are allowed to try certain applications without incurring any bandwidth-usage charges. The app providers usually pay the wireless carriers to offer that access as a way of building up their market share in a hurry.

In much of Africa, people with limited usage plans can enjoy free access to Facebook or Wikipedia this way. In Europe, many music-streaming sites have hammered out arrangements with various wireless carriers in which zero-rating promotions become a major means of marketing. In China and South Korea, subsidized wireless options are springing up too. Such arrangements can help hold down mobile-phone bills and possibly even get people online for the first time.

In the United States, T-Mobile lets customers tap into a half-dozen music sites, such as Pandora and Spotify, without incurring usage charges. And AT&T has been experimenting with zero rating. But overall, things are moving slowly.

Consumers around the globe may find zero rating delightful, but net neutrality champions such as Jeremy Malcolm, senior global policy analyst at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, object on principle because it lets content providers pay carriers for access to consumers. In his view, carriers can’t be trusted in any situation that involves special deals for certain services.

When Tim Wu talked about net neutrality a decade ago, he framed it as a way of ensuring maximum competition on the Internet. But in the current debate, that rationale is in danger of being coöpted into a protectionist defense of the status quo. If there’s anything the Internet’s evolution has taught us, it’s that innovation comes rapidly, and in unexpected ways. We need a net neutrality strategy that prevents the big Internet service providers from abusing their power—but still allows them to optimize the Internet for the next wave of innovation and efficiency.


Oh... what Verizon did? them hard.

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 whembly wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
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Fast lanes are really not the problem. The problem is separate charges for individual site, slowing service for certain sites, and things akin to that.

I'm not saying that ISP are not dicks sometimes (they are).

I'm arguing that more regulation isn't the answer in this case.

What is the answer then?

By looking for ways we can prevent the Comcasts and the Verizons of the world from gaining so much power, such that they can completely control the market for internet bandwidth. Competition,imo, is the best way to stop these types of extreme behavior.

Breakup Comcast/Cox to Baby-Cast/Cox?

I'm MORE worried about Comcast owning Contents as well, than being just a service provider.



... isn't that just another form of regulation? The government invokes its anti-monopoly laws and directs a company to fragment.

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Doesn't he have to do whatever Obama says?


To put it a different way, you know the President appoints (and has confirmed) the Attorney General, but you also know that the President can't just tell the AG to make some case disappear, right? It's the same principle.



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We all know what will happen without net nuetrality....
Our naughty videos will load slower.

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We all know what will happen without net nuetrality....
Our naughty videos will load slower.


That's what will finally make young people vote.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
We all know what will happen without net nuetrality....
Our naughty videos will load slower.


That's what will finally make young people vote.


That, and Youtube cat videos loading slow, too. Nothing infuriates people more than constantly seeing that spinning circle every five seconds.

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Here's a great image...


I find that a bit disingenuous, because I don't know how anyone who thinks about how companies like Google interface with ISPs could arrive at the first conclusion.

 whembly wrote:

What we really be doing is looking for ways we can increase competition among ISPs & companies providing Peering / Content Delivery arraignments.


Peering and CDNs by their very nature benefit ISPs with established, regional monopolies (or near monopolies) by enabling them to force companies like Google to partner with them exclusively if they want to generate the maximum amount of revenue from programs like AdSense. This makes it much more difficult for service providers without an established infrastructure in the region to move into that region.

I guess you might be able to bust ISP monopolies, but that still leaves peering and CDNs to restrict competition when the newly founded corporations, which were formerly elements of a single corporation, work to reach those agreements.

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