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2015/01/12 23:24:02
Subject: Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Ketara wrote: EDIT:- I've chosen to remove most of my post because this is going nowhere fast. As an intelligent native English speaker, I literally cannot understand what Orlanth is talking about. I'm happy to discuss the point further with anyone else who cares to do so, but I think my exchange with Orlanth here is done.
This journalist should know better. the way you say Israel are doing nasty things to Palestinians is to compare Israeli policy to apartheid instead.
Its not hard to understand.
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2015/01/13 01:08:14
Subject: Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
I don't think he said anything unreasonable. I think that she is a daughter of a holocaust survivor does not matter in the slightest. I have no idea about where she got the idea about jewish persecution starting in the 1930s' , you need to go back to the reclamation of spain from the moors and even earlier. *shrug* Why let history get in the way of a good beat up? I think the more important quote in the article is the "we can't do an amalgym" .
Also that cartoon of the world reaction to israel is one of the best i've seen, have an exault.
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2015/01/13 01:10:34
Subject: Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
I don't think he said anything unreasonable. I think that she is a daughter of a holocaust survivor does not matter in the slightest. I have no idea about where she got the idea about jewish persecution starting in the 1930s' , you need to go back to the reclamation of spain from the moors and even earlier. *shrug* Why let history get in the way of a good beat up? I think the more important quote in the article is the "we can't do an amalgym" .
Also that cartoon of the world reaction to israel is one of the best i've seen, have an exault.
Hell, I was just reading last night about how during the Mongolian invasions, the Jews got blamed for that... poor guys just got crapped on by everyone for everything.
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2015/01/13 01:24:39
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Man, they killed Jesus, JESUS!
Let alone the fact that crucifiction was reserved for political crimes against the roman govt, it always seemed fishy how the jews got blamed for killing jesus when the punishment fitted a crime against the roman state. Early Roman church doing a pontious pilate? I have read some historians theories that the language in the pontious pilate part nof the bible writing does not match the rest, leading to the idea that it was inserted at a later date.
Then again I have heard a theory that the name Judas Iscariot is related to a weapon the zealots liked to use named a sicarius (or something close) - as there is no root word in aramaic , leading to the conclusion (after several other points) that jesus may have been involved in the zealot movement.
I'm reading up on the carthaginians atm, and it seems that unlike what is written in the bible the early jews seemed to be the rampaging nomads whilst the phoenecians (god my spelling is up the gak at the moment) seemed to be the settled civilised traders.
Stealing land off the Caananites, i think the jews need to put a preamble into their constitution and set up some native rights legislation.
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2015/01/13 01:53:55
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
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2015/01/13 02:29:39
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Jihadin wrote: It was Casca Rufio Longinus. Callsign "Longinus Six". Who pierced JC while on the Cross. SPQR Intelligence Service had turned one of JC Sub Commanders with a bag of Silver.
JC opted out on the Cross but rumors persist of a possible fake death after burial in cave cropping up 72 hours later. Casca was called before the Tribunal Hearing and sentence Eternal Life with no ETS of military service for falsifying documentation.
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2015/01/13 04:45:44
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Medium of Death wrote: I still think a fifth of the residents being born outside the UK is a bit mental. Account for a couple of generations and that Fox new report will probably be correct. What's so attractive about Birmingham? Long standing established Muslim communities?
Currently more than a fifth of all Australians were born outside of Australia. So not just one city but the whole country. It actually isn't particularly mental at all.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2015/01/13 11:50:53
Subject: Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
I'm not sure native population numbers for Australia count. It is a special case, to a large degree.
How long ago was there no-one in Australia who was not native? It's still filling up, so non-natives will be a large part of the population for some time to come, I expect.
I had expected less than ~80% to be native.
As for the UK and US, we still see minor migrations Westwards. UK and USA are the edges of those routes.
France has a lot of people moving in, often on the way here or beyond.
Some towns here are a third non-native.
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Swedish police have ceded control over 55 “no-go zones” to predominately Muslim criminal gangs.
An extensive report mapping out 55 no-go zones was released Oct. 24, showing where law enforcement has all but handed control to criminal gangs.
Officers frequently face outright attacks when trying to enter the areas, which is a step up from the previous problem with attacks on mailmen, fire trucks, ambulances and similar services. Fire trucks and ambulances had to wait for police escort to enter the areas, but now the police themselves need protection.
The no-go areas heavily coincide with the map of the 186 “exclusion areas” aka. crowded, predominantly Muslim immigrant ghettos, where education is low, employment is lower and the only local business thriving is drug dealing.
As the real law backs away, organized crime emerges to take its place. The police report notes “a wider clientel [in the areas] are increasingly turning to the criminal authorities for justice” in a Godfather-like fashion. Unofficial courts and punishments are often meted out according to the codes of the home cultures of the dominant gangs. The report also points out that there are vehicle checkpoints at the borders of some of these areas. The bad news is it’s not the police doing them; it’s the gangs securing home turf against law enforcement and rival gangs.
The gangs try to keep a semi-low profile in many areas so as not to interfere with the “business” of dealing drugs, protection rackets and similar illicit activity.
Others seek active confrontation with police to establish absolute dominance.
A pair of policemen in May were in pursuit of a suspect and unwisely entered the no-go zone of the southern city of Landskrona. Their car was rammed and the officers were forced out of the car. They were cornered by a crowd of some 50 hostile thugs and drew their weapons to hold them back and called for immediate backup.
Several nearby patrol cars responded to the call and sped towards the scene, only to be ordered to stop half a mile away — just outside the no-go border. The police commander didn’t send the backup units in, fearing escalation and all-out war. The cornered police officers were left to fend for themselves. As luck would have it, one of the officers knew a few residents who interfered and convinced the thugs to let them leave.
In response to these no-go zones, the Swedish police is expanding its soft approach of dialogue and understanding. After the extensive 2013 Stockholm ghetto riots with hundreds of burned cars and buildings, police responded by mostly staying away and sending forth special “dialogue officers” to grill halal hot dogs with the miscreants and make them see the errors of their ways.
Starting next year, the Stockholm Policy Academy will be moved to Södertörns Högskola, where the new curriculum will be “progressive” with more focus on cultural sensitivity, ethical awareness, gender issues and more. The aspiring police officers will achieve “greater understanding of the intercultural perspective.”
Considering that some of the no-go-zones bs started with people mistranslating stuff, it'd be nice if someone who can read swedish would read the report for us.
I tried translate and it seemed these are areas where it is more difficult to conduct investigations due to gangs. Nice though, google translate didn't do the entire document.
When your source is a untranslated document, considering the recent issues with people proclaiming complete bs over no-go-zones, I don't hold this up until I get some kind of verification.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2015/01/13 15:21:00
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Sweden does have major race relations problems, and its a stretch to write that off as a far right scare.
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2015/01/13 15:52:27
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
As a native Swedish-speaker, I could have a gander at the thing. I'll post back once I've read it.
EDIT: Alright, that article is a load of shiny and bright. The document referenced doesn't create "no-go zones", it points out places where there's been issues with police being attacked or otherwise repeatedly obstructed from performing their duties. It's a problem, but it's hardly "no-go zones", and the document explicitly calls out that the police hasn't "given up" on the areas. It is, in other words, an outright lie. MrDwhitey said it best:
MrDwhitey wrote: Considering that some of the no-go-zones bs started with people mistranslating stuff, it'd be nice if someone who can read swedish would read the report for us.
I tried translate and it seemed these are areas where it is more difficult to conduct investigations due to gangs. Nice though, google translate didn't do the entire document.
When your source is a untranslated document, considering the recent issues with people proclaiming complete bs over no-go-zones, I don't hold this up until I get some kind of verification.
In summary, thanks for playing the "far-right propaganda post of the week", do not collect 4000 SEK, do not pass Go.
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2015/01/14 02:53:40
Subject: Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Skinnereal wrote: How long ago was there no-one in Australia who was not native? It's still filling up, so non-natives will be a large part of the population for some time to come, I expect.
I had expected less than ~80% to be native.
The point being there's nothing inherently problematic about having a population where 20% were born in another country. If a country can handle it then a city can.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: As a native Swedish-speaker, I could have a gander at the thing. I'll post back once I've read it.
EDIT: Alright, that article is a load of shiny and bright. The document referenced doesn't create "no-go zones", it points out places where there's been issues with police being attacked or otherwise repeatedly obstructed from performing their duties. It's a problem, but it's hardly "no-go zones", and the document explicitly calls out that the police hasn't "given up" on the areas. It is, in other words, an outright lie.
Racial issues are regularly complicated because real and substantial issues are drowned out by lunatics on both sides - the far left lunatics will call you racist for even suggesting there may be problems, the far right lunatics will take small issues and straight up lie to turn them in to evidence for their crazy narratives.
This of course, is a classic example of the latter.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2015/01/14 03:16:02
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Medium of Death wrote: If it points out the immigrants Muslim gangs are still a problem, even if they aren't no go zones, it's a half truth.
If that's all there is - recognising there are problem areas where police are not as free to operate as elsewhere, then that's fine. Of course, that's a lot less alarming than the idea that whole parts of a country are being surrendered to Muslim immigrants. And so the latter story is told, people get more scared, and the whole debate becomes much more stupid than it should be.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2015/01/14 11:27:18
Subject: Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
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2015/01/14 15:52:53
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
He is Swiss, and from the French-speaking part of Switzerland.
Here is a video of him talking in French:
He is talking in German when in a German-speaking part of Switzerland. And it is not “proper” German either. What is the big deal with him talking to people in their native language?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2015/01/14 17:21:00
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: He is Swiss, and from the French-speaking part of Switzerland.
Here is a video of him talking in French:
He is talking in German when in a German-speaking part of Switzerland. And it is not “proper” German either. What is the big deal with him talking to people in their native language?
Still interesting that he adresses Germany, and the people of Berlin, specifically. I wonder where this speech was held?
2015/01/14 17:48:23
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
On September 3rd 2011, Geert Wilders was back in Berlin, backing his friend René Stadtkewitz and his new party DIE FREIHEIT (FREEDOM) in the September 18th elections to the local parliament.
Also present was Oskar Freysinger of the Swiss Peoples' Party, Kent Ekeroth of the Sweden Democrats, Marc Doll and other prominent FREIHEIT members, as well as many prominent critics of political Islam. The event was hosted in Stauffenbergstrasse, in memory of Graf von Stauffenberg, the most prominent opponent of the German National Socialist regime during World War II. Due to acute threats from violent anti-democratic forces, which remain powerful in Berlin, the exact location was kept secret until a day before it took place.
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On September 3rd 2011, Geert Wilders was back in Berlin, backing his friend René Stadtkewitz and his new party DIE FREIHEIT (FREEDOM) in the September 18th elections to the local parliament.
Also present was Oskar Freysinger of the Swiss Peoples' Party, Kent Ekeroth of the Sweden Democrats, Marc Doll and other prominent FREIHEIT members, as well as many prominent critics of political Islam. The event was hosted in Stauffenbergstrasse, in memory of Graf von Stauffenberg, the most prominent opponent of the German National Socialist regime during World War II. Due to acute threats from violent anti-democratic forces, which remain powerful in Berlin, the exact location was kept secret until a day before it took place.
Ah, thanks for finding out.
2015/01/14 21:56:21
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Medium of Death wrote: If it points out the immigrants Muslim gangs are still a problem, even if they aren't no go zones, it's a half truth.
When it's claiming that the report says the opposite to what it actually does ("no-go zones" vs. explicitly calling out that's not the case), it's blatant lies.
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2015/01/15 07:28:42
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: He is talking in German when in a German-speaking part of Switzerland. And it is not “proper” German either. What is the big deal with him talking to people in their native language?
What do you mean it's not proper German? It sounds like pretty good Hochdeutsch to me. It's certainly not Swiss German or dialect.
Yeah, I wrongly assumed he was speaking Swiss German in Switzerland when actually he was in Germany. My bad. You have every right to ridicule me for it .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2015/01/15 19:57:18
Subject: Re:Terrorism Expert apologizes for claiming Birmingham UK is Muslim only
Holy Hell. Belgium looks to have gone all out war zone on Extremists
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I have read some historians theories that the language in the pontious pilate part nof the bible writing does not match the rest, leading to the idea that it was inserted at a later date.
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