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Personally, I think that Malcador is a Sensei

I've always been partial to the idea that Malcador was the emperor somehow, either because the big gold guy was a body double (created by the Emperor for aweing his people or somesuch, and for battle) as has been suggested before, or because he's the more human half of the Emperor's soul made manifest out of the warp to keep the Lectitio Divinitatus from "going to his head" as it were.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
he's been around since at least unification. So thats Really old.

we don't know how long the unification wars lasted, but given the great crusade lasted 2 centuries the man is at LEAST 2 centuries old.

Conservitive guess? 300 years old.

At one point, weren't there rumour's he might have been Narthanial Dume?

I wouldn't put it past the emp to have a bound Tzeentchian daemon pet myself.

Malcador as the Changeling?

BrianDavion wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
he's been around since at least unification. So thats Really old.

we don't know how long the unification wars lasted, but given the great crusade lasted 2 centuries the man is at LEAST 2 centuries old.

Conservitive guess? 300 years old.

Imperial anagathics in the "current" (40k period) period can keep base line humans fit and able for hundreds of years and as the right hand of the Emperor he would have access to much better version I should think, or he is unaging descedant of the big E - my favoured version

The emperors regenerative powers could easily keep someone alive indefinitely I would say.

I dont get the vibe from malcador that he is truly ancient, like Oll Person is. Nathan Dume is a wildcard, kinda like it. Certainly a singular figure the emperor encountered during unification that earned him a place as most trusted advisor.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I've always been partial to the idea that Malcador was the emperor somehow, either because the big gold guy was a body double (created by the Emperor for aweing his people or somesuch, and for battle) as has been suggested before, or because he's the more human half of the Emperor's soul made manifest out of the warp to keep the Lectitio Divinitatus from "going to his head" as it were.

Bingo.

Not that he has the exact modus operandi that the Emperor used for all period years. He doesn't appear as an obvious glowing guy during mankind's history.

 dusara217 wrote:
Personally, I think that Malcador is a Sensei

The problem being that from what I remember, all Sensei are warp-blank/parias and are therefore the antithesis of a psyker. That fact would have made it hard to put Malcador on the Golden Throne while the Empy was away fighting Horus.

Who on earth is Nathan Dume?

I don't think Sensei were blanks, somehow, given that their whole schtick was channelling untainted warp energy, thus getting psyker powers with no chance of Perils.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Who on earth is Nathan Dume?

I don't think Sensei were blanks, somehow, given that their whole schtick was channelling untainted warp energy, thus getting psyker powers with no chance of Perils.

Even though I don't know the pertinence of this website as a source, I quote the wikia :
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Illuminati :

The purpose of the Illuminati is to discover, groom, hide, and protect, the so-called Sensei. These individuals are the biological sons of the Emperor of Mankind who were conceived before the establishment of the Imperium, and are said to be immortal as well as sterile. They possibly number in the thousands, and they are normally unaware of their heritage; also, they are psychic blanks who possess no presence in the Warp and cannot be effected by psychic powers, as such, they are invisible even to the Emperor himself in his current state.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Who on earth is Narthan Dume?

Wasn't he one of the Terran Warlords?

Ruling the Panpacific Empire IIRC.

Well, Malcador can't be him, there's no way he has such a lame name... I mean, come on, it's practically Melvin... or worse, Keith!

 Mr Morden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
he's been around since at least unification. So thats Really old.

we don't know how long the unification wars lasted, but given the great crusade lasted 2 centuries the man is at LEAST 2 centuries old.

Conservitive guess? 300 years old.

Imperial anagathics in the "current" (40k period) period can keep base line humans fit and able for hundreds of years and as the right hand of the Emperor he would have access to much better version I should think, or he is unaging descedant of the big E - my favoured version

Indeed, so it;'s quite possiable he is in fact a normal human. but if so he's undergone anti aging treatment

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Who on earth is Nathan Dume?

A techno barbarian warlord, ruled the pan pac area and was heavily into genetic experimentation.

He was with the emperor at the beginning of the unification war and lasted until the end of the HH. He had a lot of augments and implants, but he was still alive. Also if there was any sort of rejuvenating or life prolonging technology, the Regent of Terra certainly would have access to it. However if we go with the idea that has been around since the emperor's birth, it is possible that he had some sort of ritual that bound him to the emperor and made him immortal as long as the emperor was, or possibly his incredible mastery of Psker sorcery might have extended his life.

I still think that Malcador was the true Emperor. The Big Golden E could be a psychic puppet body.

the only problem with that theory is if that were true, then what purpose would it serve to make another person the figure head while you went around and did everything for setting up your empire. Why not just call yourself the emperor. You already, publicly put in the leg work and you are nominally the leader and highest member of the government besides your figure head. It would have made more sense to call himself emperor and name a war master from the beginning. Masquerading as the First Servant makes no sense to me.

 GKTiberius wrote:
the only problem with that theory is if that were true, then what purpose would it serve to make another person the figure head while you went around and did everything for setting up your empire. Why not just call yourself the emperor. You already, publicly put in the leg work and you are nominally the leader and highest member of the government besides your figure head. It would have made more sense to call himself emperor and name a war master from the beginning. Masquerading as the First Servant makes no sense to me.

some people just perfer to be the power behind the throne

So he's kinda like the Wizard in Wizard of Oz? I could see that I guess. I'd rather they were seperate entities personally but I guess that's possible.

I guess what i mean, is if malcador was the emperor, but didn't want to be the figure head of the government, That's fine, but everything else about that theory fails to hold up. For instance, if he was trying to hide/ignore the warp and its denizens from the populace, why create a being that could so easily be construed as a god? Second if he didn't want to be seen as the Emperor, why make himself First Lord of Terra, and basically be the emperor's number 2. if he truly didn't want power or didn't want recognition then he should have been the chauffer or porter. Lastly, If he didn't want to be emperor for all of the reasons stated above, why would he allow his "pet" emperor go tinker on the webway (which we know is what he was doing because of how messed up everything was) and administrate the Imperium by himself? Lastly if Malcador was the emperor, why did he crumble to dust after just a few hours on the golden throne?

I would be more amenable to the idea that Malcador was a projection or construct of the emperor's psychic will. Allowing him to literally be in 2 places at once. Malcador got all of the crap jobs and all of the clerical tedious stuff. if someone sounds like "creation to do all of the boring crap i don't want to do" Malcador fits that better than anyone. Short of mentor/plot device i would say that Malcador as a projection/construct/manifestation of the emperor's will is a more plausible idea.

I do tend to agree that the Malchdor is the real power behind the throne doesn't hold up. for a start the Emperor occasionally ignores his advice

It's not like that. They are both his body.

 Daba wrote:
It's not like that. They are both his body.

That's a lot of body. I always liked to think if the opposite were true and Malcador was a construct of the Emperor and extension of his own will.

My personal theory is that Malcador is a human, regular human with really buffed out psychic powers. I like to believe that the Emperor helped him stabalize it somehow like a soul binding that didn't blind him and that enabled Malcador to be around and act normally.
He's almost like a good version of Luther and the Lion El Johnson. Human but very gifted and upstaged by a super human but still pretty bad ass all on his own.

Luther and even Kor Phadron (Loragar's human father) all were kind of representing the bad sides of what happens when upstaged by something or someone better than you. Malcador is the opposite and represents those that tolerate such a thing.

Also, according to the Ravenor series, psykers of Malcador's strength (likely class A or even S) usually self destruct destorying whole planets. Even battle psykers on the board game tend to be class C or D. A class B is already super rare. These high class psykers are so unstable they usually die or burn themselves out or blow up their planets which is why I think the Emperor had a hand in stabilizing Malcador.

Also, secretly I think Malcador plays their equivalent of warhammer 80k and rolls the super space marine faction with a competitive build at 3000 points with GK equivalent allies...Also scores with the palace nursing corps regularly on the sly.... yes......

*cue the Honeypop game sequences* (for those that know...)

BrianDavion wrote:

 GKTiberius wrote:
the only problem with that theory is if that were true, then what purpose would it serve to make another person the figure head while you went around and did everything for setting up your empire. Why not just call yourself the emperor. You already, publicly put in the leg work and you are nominally the leader and highest member of the government besides your figure head. It would have made more sense to call himself emperor and name a war master from the beginning. Masquerading as the First Servant makes no sense to me.

some people just perfer to be the power behind the throne

Plus, it makes assassinations more difficult.


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 GKTiberius wrote:
I guess what i mean, is if malcador was the emperor, but didn't want to be the figure head of the government, That's fine, but everything else about that theory fails to hold up. For instance, if he was trying to hide/ignore the warp and its denizens from the populace, why create a being that could so easily be construed as a god? Second if he didn't want to be seen as the Emperor, why make himself First Lord of Terra, and basically be the emperor's number 2. if he truly didn't want power or didn't want recognition then he should have been the chauffer or porter. Lastly, If he didn't want to be emperor for all of the reasons stated above, why would he allow his "pet" emperor go tinker on the webway (which we know is what he was doing because of how messed up everything was) and administrate the Imperium by himself? Lastly if Malcador was the emperor, why did he crumble to dust after just a few hours on the golden throne?

I would be more amenable to the idea that Malcador was a projection or construct of the emperor's psychic will. Allowing him to literally be in 2 places at once. Malcador got all of the crap jobs and all of the clerical tedious stuff. if someone sounds like "creation to do all of the boring crap i don't want to do" Malcador fits that better than anyone. Short of mentor/plot device i would say that Malcador as a projection/construct/manifestation of the emperor's will is a more plausible idea.

This would actually make a lot of sense.

Well, considering he disintegrated after being on the Golden Throne for a bit, and then the Emperor got locked into it forever, I suppose it doesn't really matter, does it?

 sudojoe wrote:
My personal theory is that Malcador is a human, regular human with really buffed out psychic powers. I like to believe that the Emperor helped him stabalize it somehow like a soul binding that didn't blind him and that enabled Malcador to be around and act normally.
He's almost like a good version of Luther and the Lion El Johnson. Human but very gifted and upstaged by a super human but still pretty bad ass all on his own.

Luther and even Kor Phadron (Loragar's human father) all were kind of representing the bad sides of what happens when upstaged by something or someone better than you. Malcador is the opposite and represents those that tolerate such a thing.

Also, according to the Ravenor series, psykers of Malcador's strength (likely class A or even S) usually self destruct destorying whole planets. Even battle psykers on the board game tend to be class C or D. A class B is already super rare. These high class psykers are so unstable they usually die or burn themselves out or blow up their planets which is why I think the Emperor had a hand in stabilizing Malcador.

Also, secretly I think Malcador plays their equivalent of warhammer 80k and rolls the super space marine faction with a competitive build at 3000 points with GK equivalent allies...Also scores with the palace nursing corps regularly on the sly.... yes......

*cue the Honeypop game sequences* (for those that know...)

You're absolutely right, though this is fairly well known and considered. We're entertaining the probable but forever unknown.

I do believe you're on to something with the Emperor being necessary for Malcador to be Malcador though.