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 kronk wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

the custodes have a golden rhino called 'the emperors gift' which is a skimmer and has thrusters instead of tracks.

That's pretty interesting, actually. What book is that in?

'age of the emperor' it was done in collaboration with a bunch of gamers online and distributed to all those who contributed. you can still torrent it - it was the HH before forgeworld did it.
every legion had a primarch with rules (apart from the two expunged legions) and there were rules for characters before and after the fall - every unit had an indicator for which period of 40k they could be used in.

i have to get my usb collection out and go over it again (you know what it's like with old fluff...) but i seem to remember that a unit could ride on the outside of 'the emperors gift' as well as carrying one inside!

The Sons of Malice are still referred to in official fluff.

Assasins are (or at least were) very prone to having their missions compromised by allowing family drama to get in the way of their work.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Here's one;

The original Necron release in White Dwarf 216 came with a 'free Necron warrior'. This model was actually a Chaos Android.

Not with my copy. The old Necron warrior model was ALMOST a copy of the old Chaos Android, but the gun was different, and the head was a bit different. The pose was identical, so I'm thinking they just used the old Chaos Android and tweaked it a little bit, much like they used to do with alot of Rogue Trader era models.. I ended up giving it to my buddy when he started a Necron army using the old WD list in 2nd edition. He still uses it along with his other old warriors, immortals, and destroyers (which he's currently using as tomb blades).

Yeah, it was definitely a different model with its own aesthetic. But there's no secret that the Necrons were basically modernizing the Chaos Androids into the 2nd Edition ("Modern") 40K universe.

Too bad they then turned them into Tomb Kings Innnnn Spaaaaaaaaaace.

 kronk wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

the custodes have a golden rhino called 'the emperors gift' which is a skimmer and has thrusters instead of tracks.

That's pretty interesting, actually. What book is that in?

It appears on the Horus Heresy Collected Visions artbook, I think.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Here's one;

The original Necron release in White Dwarf 216 came with a 'free Necron warrior'. This model was actually a Chaos Android.

Not with my copy. The old Necron warrior model was ALMOST a copy of the old Chaos Android, but the gun was different, and the head was a bit different. The pose was identical, so I'm thinking they just used the old Chaos Android and tweaked it a little bit, much like they used to do with alot of Rogue Trader era models.. I ended up giving it to my buddy when he started a Necron army using the old WD list in 2nd edition. He still uses it along with his other old warriors, immortals, and destroyers (which he's currently using as tomb blades).

Yeah, it was definitely a different model with its own aesthetic. But there's no secret that the Necrons were basically modernizing the Chaos Androids into the 2nd Edition ("Modern") 40K universe.

Too bad they then turned them into Tomb Kings Innnnn Spaaaaaaaaaace.

Necrons have always had a Tomb Kings in Space vibe. I mean they have a floating pyramid for crying out loud.

Also this was their original lord:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

the custodes have a golden rhino called 'the emperors gift' which is a skimmer and has thrusters instead of tracks.

That's pretty interesting, actually. What book is that in?

It appears on the Horus Heresy Collected Visions artbook, I think.

Spoiler:

nice one! thats the same picture used in 'age of the emperor'!


lasgun power packs can be 're-charged' by putting them in a fire for small periods of time.

Tyranids are only called Tyranids because they first attacked the Forge World of Tyran.

Imagine if they had attacked a planet called Fluffy Bunnyville!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
[Actually no one really knows what happened to them. They're just gone. They could be deep undercover or they could be all dead or missing. No one knows.

They are currently residing with the squats.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
[Actually no one really knows what happened to them. They're just gone. They could be deep undercover or they could be all dead or missing. No one knows.

They are currently residing with the squats.

Skriker

So being wiped of off Ghazkhull Thraka's boots after stomping them into the dirt?

There we go, another obscure 40k fact right there. The Squats were not wiped out by the Tyranids. Ghazkhull's Waaaagh! utterly wrecked their homeworld (Golgotha), which is now under Ork control.

 SirDonlad wrote:
lasgun power packs can be 're-charged' by putting them in a fire for small periods of time.

This shortens their lifespan however and is only recommended if you have no other way of recharging them.


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 Skriker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
[Actually no one really knows what happened to them. They're just gone. They could be deep undercover or they could be all dead or missing. No one knows.

They are currently residing with the squats.

Skriker

As of 6th the Squats still exist, but only in small numbers scattered through the Imperium. The major worlds that held Squats are the only ones that are "dead".

Also Squats are a subhuman species.

In 2nd edition GW:
Stressed how incredibly vast the Imperium is, and how slow and inefficient the bureaucracy is - even the High Lords of Terra would have little idea of current events.
Stressed how dangerous Imperial Assassin are - only the High Lords of Terra can authorize their deployment, and only with a majority vote.

GW noticed the consequence of those two bits of fluff - that assassins would never be deployed - and resolved it. The High Lords are still utterly ignorant of current affairs, and only they have the authority to deploy assassins. However, Inquisitors can simply lie and "sanction the Officio Assassinorum under the guise of an edict from Terra". After all, they're Inquisitors - it's not as if they're likely to be called out on it.

Back in the day when Horus was about to finish the Emperor a Guardsman named Ollanius Pius stepped in front of the chaos empowered Primarch and held his ground. For his bravery he was obliterated from existence.

This was later changed to a Terminator and then later again to a Custodes.

The first '40k' (rouge trader) miniatures which werent that limited edition 'space knight' (or whatever it was called) were upgrade kits for fantasy models.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Tyranids are only called Tyranids because they first attacked the Forge World of Tyran.

When shopping on a popular chinese importer site, typing in tyranid won't bring up 40K models, but will bring up other bug themed items.




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 Talys wrote:

- The oldest race in the galaxy used to be the Slann, who look like lizardmen. Their story is that they just eventually got bored and stopped participating in the goings-on of the restof the galaxy.

Slann are the creators of Eldar, Ork, and Squat races, but not Humans.

The Slann's departure was later retconned into them fleeing the combined might of C'tan and Necrontyr. Although, that is the Necron version of the story.

Lion El'jonson's Alive! I mean, he's in the old west, but he's alive! (okay, he's not really in the old west, he's at the very bottom of the Rock in a coma where not even the current Grand Master, Azrael, knows about him)

I would ask a question for those who are more familiar with the fluff: How many of the original Primarchs are still currently alive? Lion's the only one I know of, but I haven't read every Codex and haven't even read one of the novels.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Here's one;

The original Necron release in White Dwarf 216 came with a 'free Necron warrior'. This model was actually a Chaos Android.

Not with my copy. The old Necron warrior model was ALMOST a copy of the old Chaos Android, but the gun was different, and the head was a bit different. The pose was identical, so I'm thinking they just used the old Chaos Android and tweaked it a little bit, much like they used to do with alot of Rogue Trader era models.. I ended up giving it to my buddy when he started a Necron army using the old WD list in 2nd edition. He still uses it along with his other old warriors, immortals, and destroyers (which he's currently using as tomb blades).

Yeah, it was definitely a different model with its own aesthetic. But there's no secret that the Necrons were basically modernizing the Chaos Androids into the 2nd Edition ("Modern") 40K universe.

Too bad they then turned them into Tomb Kings Innnnn Spaaaaaaaaaace.

Necrons have always had a Tomb Kings in Space vibe. I mean they have a floating pyramid for crying out loud.

Also this was their original lord:

You're conflating design aesthetic with fluff.

The original fluff just had them as Angry Egyptian-styled Space Terminators. The Newcrons are now Egyptian Space Terminators from Space Egypt. Which is dumb and boring. Nobody minded them looking like Tomb Kings in Space. It was when they actually became Tomb Kings in Space.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Here's one;

The original Necron release in White Dwarf 216 came with a 'free Necron warrior'. This model was actually a Chaos Android.

Not with my copy. The old Necron warrior model was ALMOST a copy of the old Chaos Android, but the gun was different, and the head was a bit different. The pose was identical, so I'm thinking they just used the old Chaos Android and tweaked it a little bit, much like they used to do with alot of Rogue Trader era models.. I ended up giving it to my buddy when he started a Necron army using the old WD list in 2nd edition. He still uses it along with his other old warriors, immortals, and destroyers (which he's currently using as tomb blades).

Yeah, it was definitely a different model with its own aesthetic. But there's no secret that the Necrons were basically modernizing the Chaos Androids into the 2nd Edition ("Modern") 40K universe.

Too bad they then turned them into Tomb Kings Innnnn Spaaaaaaaaaace.

Necrons have always had a Tomb Kings in Space vibe. I mean they have a floating pyramid for crying out loud.

Also this was their original lord:

You're conflating design aesthetic with fluff.

The original fluff just had them as Angry Egyptian-styled Space Terminators. The Newcrons are now Egyptian Space Terminators from Space Egypt. Which is dumb and boring. Nobody minded them looking like Tomb Kings in Space. It was when they actually became Tomb Kings in Space.

eh I like the change myself as it adds some depth to the army that was previously kinda 1 dimensional. now they have some character. don't get me wrong there is a place for the unrelenting hoard with no real personality etc, but we had that in 'nids already. (and Nids managed to do it while having a bit more character). that said I can see why people'd be upset if they liked the old stuff, I imagine GW felt sceweed no matter which way they went.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Lion El'jonson's Alive! I mean, he's in the old west, but he's alive! (okay, he's not really in the old west, he's at the very bottom of the Rock in a coma where not even the current Grand Master, Azrael, knows about him)

I would ask a question for those who are more familiar with the fluff: How many of the original Primarchs are still currently alive? Lion's the only one I know of, but I haven't read every Codex and haven't even read one of the novels.

Off the top of my head:

Magnus, Fulgrim, Angron, Mortarion (beated by Draigo, but won't stay down), Lorgar, Perturabo are all still alive, now Demon Princes, and only leave the Eye of Terror when some major gak is going down (which is why there are rumours that they will join Abbadon's 13th Crusade).

Khan: Vanished into the Webway, fate unknown.
Dorn: Missing presumed dead, only his gauntlets were ever found.
Russ: Vanished into the Eye of Terror, promising to return at the coming of the Wolftime
Vulkan: Missing, the Salamanders believe they will discover his fate when they collect all 7 of his Relics. Currently, I think they have 4 of them, He'stan is tasked with finding the rest.
Corax: Missing, fate unknown, I belive

Alpharius: Unknown, of course!


Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

That's all of them, I think I'm right but I'm not 100% sure on the fate of Corax and Kurze.

I think Corax went into the eye of terror and curze was killed by an Assassin.

The Lion and Roboute are not dead (yet).

The Lion was injured in a battle with Luther and is being treated by the Watchers. He will supposdly one day wake up and forgive Luther.

Roboute was poisoned and put into stasis where it is presumed he is somehow healing.

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

 adamsouza wrote:
Slann are the creators of Eldar, Ork, and Squat races, but not Humans.

This is odd, as Squats were regarded alongside Ogryns and Ratlings as abhuman.
Not saying it's not what was written, because conflicting fluff is what GW does best.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

There is.
Page 67 of the SM codex, second paragraph under "The death of Ferrus"

The Iron Hands refused to accept the fact of their Primarch's death, choosing instead to believe he had somehow escaped Isstvan V and would one day return.

They also hate the Salamanders and Raven Guard.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

There is.
Page 67 of the SM codex, second paragraph under "The death of Ferrus"

The Iron Hands refused to accept the fact of their Primarch's death, choosing instead to believe he had somehow escaped Isstvan V and would one day return.

They also hate the Salamanders and Raven Guard.

Tbh, Ferrus and the Iron Hands were stupid to commence the assault on Horus' position and when that decision led to the death of their Primarch, they're now being stupid and claiming he's not dead. It's the theme with the Iron Hands; being tough but stupid.

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

There is.
Page 67 of the SM codex, second paragraph under "The death of Ferrus"

The Iron Hands refused to accept the fact of their Primarch's death, choosing instead to believe he had somehow escaped Isstvan V and would one day return.

They also hate the Salamanders and Raven Guard.

Tbh, Ferrus and the Iron Hands were stupid to commence the assault on Horus' position and when that decision led to the death of their Primarch, they're now being stupid and claiming he's not dead. It's the theme with the Iron Hands; being tough but stupid.

That's rather amusing, since they're supposed to be logical. For 10,000 years at that.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

There is.
Page 67 of the SM codex, second paragraph under "The death of Ferrus"

The Iron Hands refused to accept the fact of their Primarch's death, choosing instead to believe he had somehow escaped Isstvan V and would one day return.

They also hate the Salamanders and Raven Guard.

Tbh, Ferrus and the Iron Hands were stupid to commence the assault on Horus' position and when that decision led to the death of their Primarch, they're now being stupid and claiming he's not dead. It's the theme with the Iron Hands; being tough but stupid.

That's rather amusing, since they're supposed to be logical. For 10,000 years at that.

Yeah Ferrus is dead cause y'know, it's not like the demonically possessed Fulgrim chucked his head to Horus saying I will work for you an all, oh wait...

It's definitely a shame that he is well a truly dead though, I do quite enjoy the HH Iron hands compared to their 40K machine loving counterparts and would love to read some more fluff on them before the death of their Primarch.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

...
Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

There is.
Page 67 of the SM codex, second paragraph under "The death of Ferrus"

The Iron Hands refused to accept the fact of their Primarch's death, choosing instead to believe he had somehow escaped Isstvan V and would one day return.

They also hate the Salamanders and Raven Guard.

Tbh, Ferrus and the Iron Hands were stupid to commence the assault on Horus' position and when that decision led to the death of their Primarch, they're now being stupid and claiming he's not dead. It's the theme with the Iron Hands; being tough but stupid.

That's rather amusing, since they're supposed to be logical. For 10,000 years at that.

Because logic says to replace all your perfectly fine squishy parts (designed by the Emperor himself) with cybernetics.

The reason alpha legion secceded from the imperium is because a shadowy group called 'the cabal' sent one of their members to give alpharius (or was it omegon?) a vision of the future which showed him that the power of the chaos gods are existent because mankind's psychic latency fuels them.
Alpharius (or omegon?) then saw the destruction/extermination of humanity as the only way to bring peace to the galaxy because they wrongly beleive the emperor hasn't seen that angle ahead of time.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

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Dead: Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinis, Gulliman, Kurze (I think), Lion (basically, as you point out)

*ahem*
I think the Iron Hands would like to see you about that.

*Ahem*

In my books, having your cranium involuntarily removed by a maniac with a demonically possessed sword is pretty synnonymous with 'dead'

Honestly, though, I'm intrigued. Is there some IH fluff that states they still believe Ferrus is alive in some way?

There is.
Page 67 of the SM codex, second paragraph under "The death of Ferrus"

The Iron Hands refused to accept the fact of their Primarch's death, choosing instead to believe he had somehow escaped Isstvan V and would one day return.

They also hate the Salamanders and Raven Guard.

Tbh, Ferrus and the Iron Hands were stupid to commence the assault on Horus' position and when that decision led to the death of their Primarch, they're now being stupid and claiming he's not dead. It's the theme with the Iron Hands; being tough but stupid.

That's rather amusing, since they're supposed to be logical. For 10,000 years at that.

Because logically hating your flesh says to replace all your perfectly fine squishy parts (designed by the Emperor himself) with cybernetics.

They believe the flesh is weak, or some such nonsense.
But, in the spirit of being an IH player:
Ferrus lives, he escaped.
Fulgrim ran off crying like a bitch.
The flesh is weak.
Salamanders and Raven Guard suck.

To keep on topic:
I think Paradigm covered them all.
But Roboute Gulliman (more like Rowboat Girlyman, amirite?) had his throat slit and/or was poisoned. He's in stasis, but is basically dead.
Corax supposedly headed to the Eye of Terror with his last words being "never more".