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The Emperor is, like Schroedinger's Cat, both dead and alive at the same time. Unlike the cat, however, observation does not change his state. This was not the beginning, for such a thing does not exist in the turning of the Ages, but it was a beginning.

The Emperor was born to mortal parents in 8000 BC, by human reckoning. This was not the first time he was born, nor would it be the last. He is not, however, Anatolian. He's actually from eastern Asia, probably from what would one day be called Japan, though this is uncertain. He has a name, of course. Several of them, in fact, given to him by an uncountable series of parents in his many incarnations, others self-applied, still others earned through his deeds. If one were to ask him, and if he were to deign to tell you, he would tell you that he goes by Sean Carter, the Dream-Walker, King of Celephais.

In the days following the rise of the Sons of Ur, there were many gods, as there had always been since the time Azag-Thoth spoke the Words of Creation and lost its mind when the Universe sprung into being. Some were great and powerful, others were weak and petty. Most of them could be classified into four organizations. Of these categories, there were the Elder Gods, which were a group of seven (others say at least sixty) gods of Order. Opposing the Elder Gods were the Outer Gods, beings of primordial malice, chaos and disorder. Under both of these groups were the Young Gods of mortal-kind, dreamed into being by the hopes and fears, desires and needs of mortals. Aside the Young Gods stood the Great Old Ones, extra-dimensional alien beings of such power that mortals worshipped them as gods, for such are the minds of mortals that they were incapable of truly comprehending such beings for what they were.

At one point, He-Who-Would-Be-Emperor was chosen by the Elder God Inanna, the Goddess of Passion, in both Love and War, to act as Her mortal champion against the Outer Gods and the Great Old Ones. Through countless Ages and incarnations, Carter opposed the Great Old Ones and their primogenitors, the Outer Gods. Of particular note is his enmity with the being known as Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos. Both of these figures, wearing mask after mask throughout the history of mortal-kind, have opposed one another on the opposite poles of the Great and Secret Show, the War of the Gods, the War between Law and Chaos, each in service to their deific patrons.

At one point, in his guise as the Mad Arab, Abdul Al'Azred, Carter wrote down everything he had learned about the Great Old Ones, the Outer Gods, the Elder Gods, the arcane sciences, the blasphemous Words of Creation, the many planes of the gods, and other esoteric lore. This tome, sometimes referred to as the Necronomicon, charted Carter's ascension on the path to god-hood.

At some point, no longer satisfied with being simply the immortal champion of a god, Carter decided that he would become a god in his own right. His apotheosis occurred on 22 May 2047 when he took the alabaster throne of Celephais, to become the ruler of the Dreamlands of Mankind. Thus ensuring that the influence of Nyarlathotep and its patrons might be thwarted in this most-precious of realms, Carter set about establishing his mortal kingdom (in the Waking World) through the actions of hundreds upon hundreds of incarnations throughout time and space, sometimes simultaneously, though never in the same place at the same time.

Fast forward several thousand years, to the 41st millennium, and you have the rotting remains of one of his Incarnations sitting on the Golden Throne of Terra, an aspect of his Psychic Mind in the Warp, and many of his incarnations appearing throughout the galaxy, still fighting the Great Old Ones, still fighting the Outer Gods, still fighting Nyarlathotep, all viewed through the glimpses of the Warp that Mankind call the Great Four.

Which is laughable, because the Gods of Chaos are only slightly more powerful than the ancient Young Gods of Earth, which Carter consumed in his own ascension to divinity. While his incarnations are mortal, Carter is not. His Soul Essence resides in Celephais, immortal and inviolate, having achieved the status of a "new" Elder God.

 Shidank wrote:
Angron was initially going to be the HappyGlad brother who made all of the primarchs best bros, but his cranial implants made him the opposite.

I really like this concept, whole nature vs nurture thing. This is now in my headcanon as well.

 Rippy wrote:

 Shidank wrote:
Angron was initially going to be the HappyGlad brother who made all of the primarchs best bros, but his cranial implants made him the opposite.

I really like this concept, whole nature vs nurture thing. This is now in my headcanon as well.

didn't a HH story suggest that before the nails came about the warhounds where all about brotherhood?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Shidank wrote:
Angron was initially going to be the HappyGlad brother who made all of the primarchs best bros, but his cranial implants made him the opposite.

I really like this concept, whole nature vs nurture thing. This is now in my headcanon as well.

didn't a HH story suggest that before the nails came about the warhounds where all about brotherhood?

I remember somethint like that but also that they were quite bloody even before Angron was found.

 Rippy wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Shidank wrote:
Angron was initially going to be the HappyGlad brother who made all of the primarchs best bros, but his cranial implants made him the opposite.

I really like this concept, whole nature vs nurture thing. This is now in my headcanon as well.

didn't a HH story suggest that before the nails came about the warhounds where all about brotherhood?

I remember somethint like that but also that they were quite bloody even before Angron was found.

well they ARE space Marines. generally when the Astartes are deployed it's not to hold hands and sing songs

BrianDavion wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Shidank wrote:
Angron was initially going to be the HappyGlad brother who made all of the primarchs best bros, but his cranial implants made him the opposite.

I really like this concept, whole nature vs nurture thing. This is now in my headcanon as well.

didn't a HH story suggest that before the nails came about the warhounds where all about brotherhood?

I remember somethint like that but also that they were quite bloody even before Angron was found.

well they ARE space Marines. generally when the Astartes are deployed it's not to hold hands and sing songs

I meant bloody for Astartes, not just bloody in general.

And one I forgot

The Tau were created by the Cabal to be the race that will eventually beat Chaos. Created with hardly any presence in the warp to reduce the risk of corruption.

The Cabal are a band of Alien races bought together for the Greater Good, the Tau are the same.

Emperor is kept alive by the belief of Orks,
Alpha Legion is loyal just working in super secrecy
Inquisition is really run by heretics in order to silence opposition to their "imperium"

The two lost Primarchs sided with xenos and we're considered the worst type of traitor and executed. Russ killed the legion who was fully engulfed in xeno culture as there was no turning back. The legion that helped add to the ultramarines was only a few marines and primarch going traitor. This is kept a secret as the Imperium cannot let it's citizens know that there are aliens out there who will treat them better than the Imperium does.

The Guard is all about quantity and expendability.

Guardsman veterans surviving to settle down on a world are so rare as to almost be legend. Everything from the simplest lasgun to the Leman Russ is designed to be cheap and thrown at the enemy in masses. The Leman Russ is efficient for its cost, but hopelessly outmatched against any other race's tanks save Orks. The default tactic for the Guard is to 'send your men forward and order them to trample the foe' because it's the cheapest method available. Life is hilariously cheap, and propaganda like the IIUP is what prevents mass mutiny (once the guardsmen realise the lies in it, it is usually too late anyway). IG who survive to be veterans are suffering from hideous mental scars and are usually quite disillusioned with their cause.

DKoK are soulless, fearless warriors, perfect IG, and the rumour that their Commissars are there to stop them from charging needlessly is true. They have their limits, however - Daemons cause them to go ravingly insane with their mere presence just like any other mortal man, and when facing things like Chaos Space Marines even DKoK can run.

Baneblades and their kind are an exception to the rule of expendability, being powerful, rare techno-relics that are built at a very slow pace. They are very valuable and valued.

Battle Sisters bridge the gap between Guardsmen and Marines. A Battle Sister can butcher a squad of guardsmen, even when all of them are unarmed and unarmoured, because she has way way way more and better training. Once you add their bolters that blast apart the guardsmen through their armour, and PA that lasguns can't really hurt, they become even more impressive. Sisters are immensely effective against traitors and heretics, and when their fire scythes down the foul foe while the return fire doesn't penetrate their armour, the psychological impact is considerable.

Both Curze and Sevatar are still alive, the former having gone insane and the latter trying to track down a relic that will bring him back to his senses. Once this is done they will reunite the Night Lords and bring about a terror the IoM cannot imagine. Or failing that Sevatar is alive and will unite a lorge portion of the legion to launch attacks on IoM and Chaos.

The Minotaurs are made form the geneseed of one of the forgotten primarchs. They are raised from infancy and trained to obey the HLoT.

 AtoMaki wrote:
Okay, let's see:

Chaos:
- The Chaos Gods are entirely dependent on humanity. Every bit of their power comes from human beliefs (read: they can do only what humans think they can do), and as such, they are extremely vulnerable to galactic human "mood swings". A depressed and bitter humanity (like the current one) turns the Chaos Gods evil, while a happy and progressive humanity would turn them good.
- Consequently, if enough humans think that a Chaos God doesn't exist, then he/she will stop existing. So overall, humanity could f*ck up the Chaos Gods in many-many very original and interesting ways if they knew this. Luckily to the Chaos Gods, they don't.
- Oddly enough, out of the four Chaos Gods, only Khorne knows this. That's why he turns his followers into mindless killing machines.
- Even the most powerful daemons are susceptible to this effect. Even the most feeble human can simply "think" the most powerful greater daemon into non-existence. This is effectively the only way to defeat a daemon: to firmly think that the daemon is defeated (this is usually triggered when someone stabs/shoots a daemon for good, thinking that he/she dealt a mortal blow to the creature).
- Psykers suffer a lot because they think that the Warp is harmful. Mutants exist because people gave mutating qualities to the Warp. Warp Storms exist because people think that they should exist.
- Gellar Fields are essentially "thought blockers" - they prevent the crew's thoughts to reach the Warp, thus they can't f*ck up the Warp with their negative emotions/thoughts.

All of this is awesome.

DrRansom wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Okay, let's see:

Chaos:
- The Chaos Gods are entirely dependent on humanity. Every bit of their power comes from human beliefs (read: they can do only what humans think they can do), and as such, they are extremely vulnerable to galactic human "mood swings". A depressed and bitter humanity (like the current one) turns the Chaos Gods evil, while a happy and progressive humanity would turn them good.
- Consequently, if enough humans think that a Chaos God doesn't exist, then he/she will stop existing. So overall, humanity could f*ck up the Chaos Gods in many-many very original and interesting ways if they knew this. Luckily to the Chaos Gods, they don't.
- Oddly enough, out of the four Chaos Gods, only Khorne knows this. That's why he turns his followers into mindless killing machines.
- Even the most powerful daemons are susceptible to this effect. Even the most feeble human can simply "think" the most powerful greater daemon into non-existence. This is effectively the only way to defeat a daemon: to firmly think that the daemon is defeated (this is usually triggered when someone stabs/shoots a daemon for good, thinking that he/she dealt a mortal blow to the creature).
- Psykers suffer a lot because they think that the Warp is harmful. Mutants exist because people gave mutating qualities to the Warp. Warp Storms exist because people think that they should exist.
- Gellar Fields are essentially "thought blockers" - they prevent the crew's thoughts to reach the Warp, thus they can't f*ck up the Warp with their negative emotions/thoughts.

All of this is awesome.

It has a few holes though.

If the Chaos Gods are evil because the setting is evil, why were they not nicer in the at least comparatively noblebright Great Crusade?

If humanity does not know that their thoughts is what makes the Warp what it is, how do they know that they need thought-blockers to safely travel it?

Forgot to add:

The codexes act as a sort of short-term, "timeline," to the events in the 40k universe. No more Necron Pariahs? They were upgraded to Lichguards. Haemonoculi appearing? A recent discovery by the DE.

"Machine Spirits" are organic in nature. Its still leftover AI from the Dark Age of Technology, that's just the highest level of AI humans invented. They really do have souls, and so the tech-priests rituals really do work, by communicating with the spirits through a telepathic connection of sorts. They can also be possessed.

The Omnissiah is still the Void Dragon though.

The Emeperor is an immortal psyker born in Mesopotamia who bacame the first Emeperor, builder ofthe City of Our and known has Gilgamesh. He is a megalomaniac genius who thinks he is the only one who can lead humanity to safety and glory. He might not be completly wrong on that point.

Of the 20 Primarchs, 3 were actualt women. Corax was very androginous and many sculptors and artists represented him has a men, but he was defenitly a women. The Raven Guards and successor knows it, but don't care to correct the mistake. Alpharius (and Omegon) was a also a women, but there is no representation of them in the Imperium. The third one was the early traitor Primarch Kalipso.

The two unknown Primarchs were Kalipso, Primarch of the Nightingale and Kyras, Primarch of the Blood Raven. Kalipso fell on a contested eldar Exodite world and was raised by an eldar leader. She stopped the war and united human and eldar. She was declared traitor a few decades after she was founded for refusing the xenocidal agenda of the Imperium. She was killed when she used her ship to has a decoy to allow her loyal Space Marine to escape. The remenent of her Legion were merged with the Ultramarine.

Kyras was a genius with great curiosity that fell on a radioactive wasteland. He developped a cure by gene therapy to protect his people form degenaration and death. He experimented a lot psychic powers and geneseeds. He was a good friend of Magnus. He was declared traitor when he discover the secret of his own creation and started to create his own true children. Most of his Space Marines turned against him. Some later joined the still loyal Thousand Sons and the others the Ultramarines. The Blood Raven chapters are descentent of this Legion, but are unaware of it.

Female Space Marines exist, but are very rare for women submitted to the process of creation have more chance of complications. Chapter who had female Primarchs tend to count them in higher numbers.

Space Marines geneseed is deteriorating with time. It's harder to produce a Space Marine in 40K than in 30K. Those of 40K sometimes loose certain capacity like the betcher glands or their extreme longevity, but remains just has tall and strong.

The Adeptus Astartes is vonlonteerly set to be destroyed overtime by the Imperium. They view Space Marines has a reilc of old time that has no place in modern Imperium which needs less super warriors and more obediant soldiers. Their strategy is to slowly decrease their ressources until they collapse on themselves. The Ultramiraine are problematic in that regard.

The Adeptas Soriritas is also on the list of problematic intitutions. The Ecclesiarchy fear it's power and recognise they have only symbolic power over them. Many High Lords fear a coup from the Sisterhood who has the tools to replace a lot of Imperial Bureaucratic institution. They formed plans to elliminate them by replacing them slowly with something easier to manipulate.

The Brotherhood of Thor (after Sebastien Thor) is a religious order of warriors and priests of the Ecclesiarchy created to protect the Church and replace the Sisterhood if need be. They are to all intend and perpose male Sisters of Battle.

Ahriman is basically a good guy.

He'll go to extreme ends if he has to, which does make him a bit shady, and everyone who draws power from Tzeentch is a pawn of Tzeentch, but still: Ahriman had nothing to do with the Thousand Sons being sold out to Tzeentch, tried his level best to mitigate the damage with the Rubric, and seeks the Black Library: The greatest resource of anti-chaos knowlege in the galaxy.

His most likely end goal is to try to free himself and his legion from Tzeentch's thrall.

As far as it's possible for a Chaos Marine to be a decent bloke, this guy seems to be it.

The Alpha Legion did not turn because aliens told them to. That would be silly. The Alpha Legion turned because most of Alpharius's brothers (most notably Dorn and Guilliman) belittled his tactics despite their effectiveness. The only loyalists who would respect those tactics were Corax and Vulkan because they minimized the collateral damage to civilian populations.

Instead, Alpharius and his legion turned because Horus appealed to both their friendship and his sense of duty; Horus needed Alpharius to plan the attacks that would quickly bring down their targets so he could push onward to Terra. When Horus overthrew their tyrannical father, Alpharius would have a place as one of Horus's chief strategists. Horus schemed to place Corax and Vulkan closer to Isstvan so they could be killed and their influence removed, making sure Alpharius wouldn't have anyone to sway him from betraying the Emperor.

Also, Omegon is not Alpharius's twin brother, he's just another legionary who underwent extensive surgery to better resemble him and is likely the one Guilliman killed on Eskrador.

Can't believe I didn't remember this earlier:

Event Horizon is set in Warhammer 40k universe, and is the first man-made warp-capable spacecraft (ie. The movie is what happens when you do a warp jump without the Gellar Fields activated).

I'm just going to leave this here.

 dementedwombat wrote:
This one is a pretty huge picture so I'll spoiler it. It's about the only thing I have yet encountered that has made an Eldar be a sympathetic character for me.

Spoiler:

 Happyjew wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here.

 dementedwombat wrote:
This one is a pretty huge picture so I'll spoiler it. It's about the only thing I have yet encountered that has made an Eldar be a sympathetic character for me.

Spoiler:

*sniff*Filthy Xenos....*sniff* Heretical....*snifff - Every Inquisitor EVER!

In the Valedor warzone novel the Farseers/ Archon that Vect sends to help Prince Yriel all mention/ hint how his "unknown" father is a Dark Eldar, the Archon going as far to tell him he's just the same as his father implying he knows him. When pressed on the matter the farseers are silent, perhaps not knowing fully or hiding it BLATENTLY. Prince Yriel is convinced by Harlequins to pick up the spear, and the same harlequin troupe helps in Valedor.

Lady Malys is led into the webway by Harlequins and meets Cegorach. Malys the ex-lover of Vect then returns and goes to war with Vect.

Vect, is brought to power in Commoragh with the aid of Harlequins as is revealed in the Harlies dex(but not expanded on), Vect is ancient appearing around m32 and possibly being older still. In the Dark Eldar codex pages about Harlequins it's stated most Dark Eldar dislike the Harlequins but accept their presence as bad things happen to those who cross the Harlequins, and the only person to outright confront the Harlequins has been Vect, this is supported in the path of the Dark Eldar series where he disrespects the Solitaire Motley, who is uncomfortable/afraid of him.


Where am I going with this? The Harlequin troupes all mentioned here are one in the same. The Veiled path. As states in the Harlequins codex they often fool people into helping them then stabbing them in the back.


Judging by the way the Archon speaks to Yriel with a sense of respect only really taunting him about his mysterious father and the silence from everybody else leads me to believe the Prince Yriel is the son of Asdrubael Vect himself. Why else would Vect send not ony one of his own Archons but his favorite Succubus Lileth Hesperax herself. He's ensuring his sons victory that's why.

Why is Lady Malys convinced/ tricked to go to war with Vect? Truthfully I don't know where this is going considering the Khaines Gate time line, only that Malys is probably ment to overthrow Vect for pissing off the harlequins. But it all seems poor timing in regards to Khaines Gate but reading up on the gate tells you Urien Rakarth has been feeling things that he hasn't felt since the fall of the Eldar(remember he's ancient as well) this to me means, either Slaaneshi stuff is coming through the gate, or a new Chaos god is forming. Or maybe some other weird twist. I don't know.

Vect clearly suddenly has a lot on his plate, perhaps he's grasping at straws. Not sure where his story line is going either but I believe it's clear that Vect is Yriels father. Perhaps Malys is connected to this as well but I'm unsure. But Vect being as powerful as he is, it's all VERY important.


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Also, the Veiled path has been featured in many novels as of recent as well. Valedor, Masque of Vyle, as well as Motley being a reoccurring theme in even more novels such as the Path novel series. He supposedly makes an appearance in Valedor but I seemed to have missed it in my read through, but I feel his appearance was to be sneaky and have no one realize it was him.


But that's a sign of Cegorach not a solitaire, unless... Motley reoccurring and always with the same Troupe... One that has led Malys to meet Cegorach... Perhaps Motley IS Cegorach. But probably not.