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harkequin wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I gave a range 2-3 because there is some variation. The DK only wants to assault optimal targets, so he will move instead of charging if its a waste of time for him to try and kill warriors instead of vehicles or an HQ.

So sometimes it will be 2. Sometimes it will be 3. 2-3 turns minimum.

You also don't have a 24" threat on your guns. You have your move plus 24". So on warriors its 30". Advance, shoot 24". DK then moves 12" towards you. You back up 6", shoot again. DK is now 18" away, which is slightly below average for assaulting, but by no means certain. And he doesn't want to assault warriors anyway. He'll shoot them, but he won't assault them as he has better targets.

I already gave that scenario, and DKs do love to assault warriors, It's 260 points wiped in one round of combat. Yeah they might have better targets, but Warriors are the core of a necron army (usually) and very hard to remove, they are an amazing target of DKs.

So like i said, it's 1-2 rounds of shooting at best, a 6 inch charge is pretty reliable, and also assuming that you get 6 inches away, with no terrain slowing you, and the DK has gotten a lot of board control from it.


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The barge lord is really no threat anymore, and basically the worst target for a DK, it will never catch it, and the barge can tank shooting for days. What a necron player worries about for DKs is destroying ghost arks, warriors, and immortals.

The Dreadknight is fine against Necron. I am worried about the whole Necron army being broken as hell in the edition, even more than the Eldar.

It is rate to see Dreadknight will assault a squad of 20 Warriors like that. His Incinerator, a must-have upgrade, will have cleared out some of them, unless you are really reluctant to fail the charge.

And by the way, assaulting is so annoying now with the random rolling and penalties when doing so through terrain. Shiny gears so no hide the fact the Grey Knights are still an assault-oriented army, and they need to fine a way to get pass the gun line.

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I mean....you are playing Grey Knights and Eldar together, for whatever reason....Forge that rock-hard narrative.

So Eldar can ally with Dark Eldar fine, but not with Grey Knights? The Grey Knights have even allied with Necron (they are part of the IoM now, so they have to follow the majority). There are people a bunch of people out there playing a Knight who is allying with Chaos, but not Slaanesh, even though all Chaos Knights according to the fluff are Slaanesh. I don't see any reason why I should not have these two armies together.

Grey knights are incredibly xenophobic. Going by the fluff, they would never ally with necrons (that was Blood angels, and very unique circumstances). Grey knights would almost never ally with Eldar if they could help it.

And eldar/Dark eldar aren't enemies, they are really fluff compatible, they act differently, but all really follow the same creed. (to not get eaten by slaanesh) . No one thinks that an Imperial knight allying with chaos is actually fluffy, but some people like to say it's dark mechanicum, so like Traitor guard, there could be a pretty reasonable fluff reason for it.

harkequin wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I mean....you are playing Grey Knights and Eldar together, for whatever reason....Forge that rock-hard narrative.

So Eldar can ally with Dark Eldar fine, but not with Grey Knights? The Grey Knights have even allied with Necron (they are part of the IoM now, so they have to follow the majority). There are people a bunch of people out there playing a Knight who is allying with Chaos, but not Slaanesh, even though all Chaos Knights according to the fluff are Slaanesh. I don't see any reason why I should not have these two armies together.

Grey knights are incredibly xenophobic. Going by the fluff, they would never ally with necrons (that was Blood angels, and very unique circumstances). Grey knights would almost never ally with Eldar if they could help it.

And eldar/Dark eldar aren't enemies, they are really fluff compatible, they act differently, but all really follow the same creed. (to not get eaten by slaanesh) . No one thinks that an Imperial knight allying with chaos is actually fluffy, but some people like to say it's dark mechanicum, so like Traitor guard, there could be a pretty reasonable fluff reason for it.

How are Grey Knights xenophobic? Source? They fight Orks and Tyranids just like any other faction. Tell me an event where they have had to fight against the Eldar. In 5th edition, they have Jokaero in their army.

The Grey Knights helped the Eldar destroy the Keeper of Secret N'kari who was attempting to devour the Infinity Circuit of Malantai after said Craftworld was destroyed by the Tyranids. In previous Codex, Inquisitor Valeria command both the Grey Knights and the Eldar in fighting daemon hordes. There are many other incidents where the Inquisition consort with Eldar and get away with.

In the newest Codex, it is mentioned specifically that the Grey Knights attack the daemons who are fighting the Necron. The Grey Knights and Necron end up helping each other in the end. After the battle, the Daemons are all dead and the Necron are heavily depleted. As the Grey Knights move on to kill the rest of the Necron, their Lord proposes a parley, which the Grey Knights accept and honor.

Dark Eldar raid more Exodite worlds than anyone else, except maybe Orks. They cause destruction on more Exodite worlds than even Tyranids by extracting their World Spirit. They are also manipulative, deceptive and backstabbing. No one but the craziest (and most well-prepared) of the Chaos followers should ever think they can be a reliable asset. It makes no sense that Eldar would trust the Dark Eldar more than the Imperium. The Eldar's goal to destroy Chaos and restore balance to the universe coincide with that of the Imperium. The Dark Eldar only want to get more slaves so that they can continue their hedonist lifestyle without losing their souls entirely.

The GKs are actually willing to work with aliens to further their primary mission against chaos.

Thats how they have Tesseracts, from the Necrons. And some stuff from the Eldar as well.

They're as xenophobic as the rest of the Imperium, but they'll restrain it if it means beating chaos with outside sources as that is their mandate. Defeat chaos, no matter the price. And if it means cooperating with aliens, so be it.

harkequin wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I mean....you are playing Grey Knights and Eldar together, for whatever reason....Forge that rock-hard narrative.

So Eldar can ally with Dark Eldar fine, but not with Grey Knights? The Grey Knights have even allied with Necron (they are part of the IoM now, so they have to follow the majority). There are people a bunch of people out there playing a Knight who is allying with Chaos, but not Slaanesh, even though all Chaos Knights according to the fluff are Slaanesh. I don't see any reason why I should not have these two armies together.

Grey knights are incredibly xenophobic. Going by the fluff, they would never ally with necrons (that was Blood angels, and very unique circumstances). Grey knights would almost never ally with Eldar if they could help it.

And eldar/Dark eldar aren't enemies, they are really fluff compatible, they act differently, but all really follow the same creed. (to not get eaten by slaanesh) . No one thinks that an Imperial knight allying with chaos is actually fluffy, but some people like to say it's dark mechanicum, so like Traitor guard, there could be a pretty reasonable fluff reason for it.

And that post shows you know nothing of the Grey Knight lore as the other people in the above posts have shown otherwise.