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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Excellent job ignoring the majority of that post. Brownie points for the vague and meaningless #greaterthanthou reply as well.

I'll type this slowly then, if you want.

Calling anyone a leader of something as vague as an ethnic group is fething stupid. It's stupid when white people call on 'black leaders', and it's just as stupid when black people put themselves forward as such leaders.

And it's the kind of stupidity that should be staggeringly obvious to everyone, except that there are, as I already explained, certain issues on which everyone just completely stops thinking. In the US, right now, race relations is one of those issues, and it's why concepts as idiotic as 'black leaders' just get accepted.

Are you getting it now?

Drove past the Twin Peaks yesterday. I can see why the restaurant right next to it is suing as they chare the same parking lot.

 sebster wrote:


Calling anyone a leader of something as vague as an ethnic group is fething stupid. It's stupid when white people call on 'black leaders', and it's just as stupid when black people put themselves forward as such leaders.

I'll type this slowly then, if you want.

It's not the "white community" (which again DOESNT EXIST) calling them "black leaders;" they call themselves that. The black population is the only population in the U.S. That does this.

It's also why, despite what Facebook morons would have you believe, that these situations are in no way analogous. No one is defending these thugs. No one is saying it was justified, and especially no one in this mythical "white community." It doesn't exist. White people all over the U.S. were disgusted when Casey Anthony was acquitted because she's a piece of human garbage. Black people everywhere were overjoyed when OJ Simpson was acquitted because he's "part of the community," despite being a piece of human garbage.

It's for that same reason Kobe Bryant was killed in the media for saying he wasn't going to jump to the side of Trayvon Martin just because he's black. It's for that same reason Ben Carson and Condi Rice and Allan west are called race traitors and uncle toms. It's entirely fethed up and, sadly, we have a president that's Been too weak to help bridge that gap; with his "my son would look like.." Comments he's only broadened it. And that sucks.

So, please, let's stop pretending these two situations are any kind of similar. They're not.

Are you getting it now?

 sebster wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Excellent job ignoring the majority of that post. Brownie points for the vague and meaningless #greaterthanthou reply as well.

I'll type this slowly then, if you want.

Calling anyone a leader of something as vague as an ethnic group is fething stupid. It's stupid when white people call on 'black leaders', and it's just as stupid when black people put themselves forward as such leaders.

And it's the kind of stupidity that should be staggeringly obvious to everyone, except that there are, as I already explained, certain issues on which everyone just completely stops thinking. In the US, right now, race relations is one of those issues, and it's why concepts as idiotic as 'black leaders' just get accepted.

Are you getting it now?

It is absolutely stupid that certain blacks put themselves forward as leaders of the black community. It's even stupider when the "black community" buys into the hive mind mentality. These "black leaders" are highly inflammatory. You see completely unwavering support for violent criminals, in situations where the facts are clear as day, simply because of the color of that criminal's skin. This doesn't exist in any other community in the US.

While you say it's "stupid," and I'm inclined to agree that the concept of a separate "black community" in the US, complete with its own leaders, is also "stupid," the situation exists and it should be "staggeringly obvious" to you that it isn't going anywhere any time soon. No number of obnoxious, vague and pedantic replies responding to a fraction of a post's content is going to change this situation. The real question is, "What do we do about it?" Surely you have an answer.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'll type this slowly then, if you want.

It's not the "white community" (which again DOESNT EXIST) calling them "black leaders;" they call themselves that. The black population is the only population in the U.S. That does this.

Don't type slower, read slower. You missed the whole fething point of what I said;
"and it's just as stupid when black people put themselves forward as such leaders."

feth me I'm doing it again, spending my time typing things out for people who don't bother to read.


Anyhow, the rest of you post is a really classic example of what I was trying to point out - a complete fething loss of reality when it comes to race relations. You started talking about Kobe Bryant's opinion on a shooting. The only sensible response upon reading that Kobe Bryant has an opinion on a shooting is to shrug and never think of it again. Imagine a world in which a white kid gets shot and people rush to ask Michael Phelps what he thinks about that. And then random people on the internet mention Michael Phelps' opinion years later, and then mention the opinion other people hold of Michael Phelps' opinion. That's a thing you just did, and because America is so weird about race relations it doesn't even occur to you how ridiculous that is.

So, please, let's stop pretending these two situations are any kind of similar. They're not.

The similarity between this shooting and any of the recent media gak storms over race is that ultimately none of them were meaningful in and of themselves. All of them should have been treated with a combination of curiousity and jokinhg humour, like this thread. Especially the Trayvon Martin thing. And yet those issues explode in national media attention, because when an event involves a race angle the US the US just loses its gak entirely.

You all are idiots for injecting racial issues into a Outlaw Biker Gang shootout. Its two different animals

 cincydooley wrote:

It's not the "white community" (which again DOESNT EXIST) calling them "black leaders;" they call themselves that. The black population is the only population in the U.S. That does this.

Pretty much all minority groups in the US do that. You hear more about Black and Latino leaders because race relations between those groups and the majority are particularly tense (and both groups are particularly large), but "leaders" exist across the entire spectrum of racial and ethnic minorities; especially at the local level.

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

It's not the "white community" (which again DOESNT EXIST) calling them "black leaders;" they call themselves that. The black population is the only population in the U.S. That does this.

Pretty much all minority groups in the US do that. You hear more about Black and Latino leaders because race relations between those groups and the majority are particularly tense (and both groups are particularly large), but "leaders" exist across the entire spectrum of racial and ethnic minorities; especially at the local level.

Which is still silly. People need to stop self-segregating, and that is exactly what it is, it just makes things worse.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Which is still silly. People need to stop self-segregating, and that is exactly what it is, it just makes things worse.

Maybe, but human beings naturally gravitate to people, and therefore communities, they identify with for one reason or another. As a result some degree of self-segregation becomes inevitable, as does the ordinary variety of segregation. Throw in the fact that communities (or any sort of organization really) pretty much always end up with a series of de facto leaders, and its easy to see how this sort of thing crops up with respect to minority groups.

 dogma wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

Which is still silly. People need to stop self-segregating, and that is exactly what it is, it just makes things worse.

Maybe, but human beings naturally gravitate to people, and therefore communities, they identify with for one reason or another. As a result some degree of self-segregation becomes inevitable, as does the ordinary variety of segregation. Throw in the fact that communities (or any sort of organization really) pretty much always end up with a series of de facto leaders, and its easy to see how this sort of thing crops up with respect to minority groups.

I agree that that is the cause. Its just unfortunate that people seem to see the effects of this and then claim that its actually due to the system or that there is an active racism/segregation going on. If people wouldn't segregate themselves and join the larger culture we wouldn't have this issue. If they want to keep doing it they are welcome, but they shouldn't come crying when they reap the consequences of self-segregation.

 Jihadin wrote:
There's about to be a surge in Texas Patriotism this Memorial Weekend with the airing of Texas Rising on History Channel

gak, I forgot about that. I was traveling. Damn.

 kronk wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
There's about to be a surge in Texas Patriotism this Memorial Weekend with the airing of Texas Rising on History Channel

gak, I forgot about that. I was traveling. Damn.

Went to Fort Worth for a shoot Saturday. Rain started. Bailed Sunday morning and rain followed me to Austin. Had to open the back fence to keep water from flooding house from back yard. Get on the r0ad to Houston and drove through the longest worst rain I've ever been in. Passed Elgin and Giddings as they were flooding. Bastrop dam broke overnight. Get to Houston and wake up to see everything is flooded: I10, I45, I59. I've come to realize that I'm Frazzledd Herald of Storms muahahah!

 kronk wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
There's about to be a surge in Texas Patriotism this Memorial Weekend with the airing of Texas Rising on History Channel

gak, I forgot about that. I was traveling. Damn.

Yeah, about that.

Am I the only one pissed off that Texas gets some special treatment by the History channel? Like nothing exciting every happened in any other states that helped define them at or near their creation?

Perhaps somethign about Bloody Kansas? Maybe Minnesota and the Dakota War? I mean every state has these things. Why does the U.S. alwasy treat Texas like some special snowflake?

Oh, I know. Because their are a lot of Texans that are full of themselves. ,Que Frazzled > Which means big ratings!


Yeah.... I'm a bit jealous...... mummble, mumble, grumble.

Well Texas was its own independent country for a period of time, unlike Kansas and Minnesota. The Dakota war is definitely worth exploring, but I still think Texas is bigger and more important. And then you're still after California's declaration of independence from Mexico.

 Easy E wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
There's about to be a surge in Texas Patriotism this Memorial Weekend with the airing of Texas Rising on History Channel

gak, I forgot about that. I was traveling. Damn.

Yeah, about that.

Am I the only one pissed off that Texas gets some special treatment by the History channel? Like nothing exciting every happened in any other states that helped define them at or near their creation?

Perhaps somethign about Bloody Kansas? Maybe Minnesota and the Dakota War? I mean every state has these things. Why does the U.S. alwasy treat Texas like some special snowflake?

Oh, I know. Because their are a lot of Texans that are full of themselves. ,Que Frazzled > Which means big ratings!


Yeah.... I'm a bit jealous...... mummble, mumble, grumble.

Wait, things happened in other states? Clearly these are inconsequential events.

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
There's about to be a surge in Texas Patriotism this Memorial Weekend with the airing of Texas Rising on History Channel

gak, I forgot about that. I was traveling. Damn.

Went to Fort Worth for a shoot Saturday. Rain started. Bailed Sunday morning and rain followed me to Austin. Had to open the back fence to keep water from flooding house from back yard. Get on the r0ad to Houston and drove through the longest worst rain I've ever been in. Passed Elgin and Giddings as they were flooding. Bastrop dam broke overnight. Get to Houston and wake up to see everything is flooded: I10, I45, I59. I've come to realize that I'm Frazzledd Herald of Storms muahahah!

Yeah, we're a tad worried about our family in Houston and south east Texas.

where are they?

 Jihadin wrote:
You all are idiots for injecting racial issues into a Outlaw Biker Gang shootout. Its two different animals

I don't know about anyone else, I'm trying to point out the idiocy of overreaction we see whenever there is a racial element, by contrasting it against this non-racial shootout.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Which is still silly. People need to stop self-segregating, and that is exactly what it is, it just makes things worse.

People are different, and more to the point, society will often treat them differently. Denying that any differences exist is no answer at all.

The point being, of course, that self-appointed leaders for any of these groups really doesn't help that resolve the issue at all.


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 Easy E wrote:
Yeah, about that.

Am I the only one pissed off that Texas gets some special treatment by the History channel? Like nothing exciting every happened in any other states that helped define them at or near their creation?

I wonder if THC is testing the waters, and starting with one of the biggest population states, with the biggest state identity. If the Texas special rates well, then they'll maybe do other states. Keep doing well and eventually they'll get to Vermont, much the same way that Marvel films get doing well even as they worked their way down the roster of heroes, until they eventually got to Ant Man.

If nothing else, at least this is actual history. Better THC makes this than some other show about blue collar workers just doing their jobs.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its just unfortunate that people seem to see the effects of this and then claim that its actually due to the system or that there is an active racism/segregation going on. If people wouldn't segregate themselves and join the larger culture we wouldn't have this issue. If they want to keep doing it they are welcome, but they shouldn't come crying when they reap the consequences of self-segregation.

It seems you missed the part where I mentioned how gravitation to similar people also necessarily causes ordinary segregation. A phenomenon which really isn't especially different from self-segregation. It is the difference between "We're not like you!" and "You're not like us!"; merely a shift of emphasis.

Additionally, what is the "larger culture" here?