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Actually the clarification of the game in question helped. Someone pointing out the importance in rules being enforced due to scheduling and catching flights home was a good statement in support of the argument.
And the feedback from people on how and when rules could,should or can be enforced/lenient has been beneficial...

Far from a "troll-fest"...

Now where are the results to the this party? Wanna see how Alex F. did.

So someone felt shorted. Probably every major event has some whoopsie happen. Why are you so fixated on it ??

 Dozer Blades wrote:
So someone felt shorted. Probably every major event has some whoopsie happen. Why are you so fixated on it ??

I don't think anyone is fixated on anything. The thread didn't really have a negative tone, and the clarification provided was helpful. I love you, man, but you're one of the biggest trolls on these forums, so you can understand people finding it ironic that you're trolling further by calling out people for trolling.

In other news, I heard some pretty awesome things about ATC again! Looking forward to catching up with everyone about it at NOVA over a few beers and games.

Yep, I had a blast with my first time at the event. Definitely coming back next year, now that I know a lot about the way the matchups end up falling.

Being a team captain is stressful, because you want to ensure you get a good matchup because you have the power, but a good captain sometimes has to take one for the team to keep everyone happy. Sometimes I wish I didn't anchor as Harlequins haha.

Continuously complaining that a thread is pointless and over while useful discussion was still happening is verging on spam and rudeness. Don't

Good to have the rule to make sure things run smoothly. Would be nice for organizers to judiciously allow minor common sense exceptions, but where does that stop? Tricky situation for organizers because if they make an exception someone else is going to get mad about it for happening or that they didn't get the same treatment. I would be fine with organizers allowing OP to finish his turn, but can't be mad at them for not doing so.

Alex finished 55th overall. You can see all the team standings and individual standings at www.whatc.org

 Fishboy wrote:
Alex finished 55th overall. You can see all the team standings and individual standings at www.whatc.org

Thanks man.

Anybody know what the 3rd place daemons was? Please tell me its not one of those super match up/mission dependant lists with max screamers Tz'eralds and Fateweaver. . .

Damn, Dung had a bad weekend!

Who won Best Army?

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Anybody know what the 3rd place daemons was? Please tell me its not one of those super match up/mission dependant lists with max screamers Tz'eralds and Fateweaver. . .

Follow the link to find out what team he was on then follow this link, look up his team folder, then his list:

https://drive.google.com/a/dicehead.com/folderview?id=0B1UJJbcAXWEGfnZ3WjlsX0U0TnJZRDd3ZWI5Q0JBTEo1SFQwNVpvV3RFeGVvdmV1ZGZoX1k&usp=sharing

These are all the team lists

Tarzan won best painted

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Anybody know what the 3rd place daemons was? Please tell me its not one of those super match up/mission dependant lists with max screamers Tz'eralds and Fateweaver. . .

It was a mixed 2-Herald Screamerstar/30 Flesh Hound list. Asylum finished near the middle (actually almost exactly in the middle), so I'm not real sure what he was playing against. We only played against one other Daemon list, and that was the Kamikazes in the 4th round, which we matched against our Battle Company.

Most of the top teams didn't have a Daemon list at all. Out of the top 10 teams, there was only me (Screamerstar, 155 pts), Alan's on the Kamikazes in 7th (FMCs, 138 pts), Kevin Drury on Name Pending in 9th (Nurgle Daemons,102 pts), and EJ Walsh on Borderlands Gaming in 10th (FMCs, 61 pts)

Edit:

For comparison, the top 10 had:

9 Eldar (7 featuring WKs; The General Staff Kill Team being the only top-10 team without Eldar)
7 Imperial Knights
7 Space Wolves (5 being SW/DA BikeWolf armies)
6 Space Marines
6 Necrons
6 Tau

This is off my reference documents for the tournament and might not be exactly correct, but it looks like everything else was represented on less than 5 of the top 10 teams. If you combine Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii, there were technically 5 of those, but 2 were on the same team, so they were still only represented on 4 teams.

Eldar - 34
Space Marines - 30
Necrons - 27
Tau - 18
Tyranids - 18
Space Wolves - 15
Dark Angels - 14
Adeptus Mechanicus - 12
Daemons - 11
Orks - 11
Imperial Guard - 9
Imperial Knights - 9
Chaos Marines - 8
Blood Angels - 7
Grey Knights - 7
Sisters of Battle - 6
Dark Eldar - 4

It does not show on my list but I think there were two Harliquin lists too

Had a great time this year! Was good to be back....thanks for carrying the heavy load that it is to have me on your team Fishboy!

 Fishboy wrote:
Eldar - 34
Space Marines - 30
Necrons - 27
Tau - 18
Tyranids - 18
Space Wolves - 15
Dark Angels - 14
Adeptus Mechanicus - 12
Daemons - 11
Orks - 11
Imperial Guard - 9
Imperial Knights - 9
Chaos Marines - 8
Blood Angels - 7
Grey Knights - 7
Sisters of Battle - 6
Dark Eldar - 4

It does not show on my list but I think there were two Harliquin lists too

For what it's worth, this list isn't particularly representative of the actual armies, except maybe the very top few (Eldar/Marines/Tau).

ATC's categorization is done by Primary Detachment alone, and frequently had mistakes (which isn't a big deal, since all it's used for is these stats on the result page). But for instance, there were way more than 9 Knight lists, but most people don't run Knight Warlords and instead have their Warlord on their token allies, which makes that their primary detachment. Also, Khorne Daemonkin-primary armies appeared to be categorized as either Daemons or Chaos Space Marines somewhat at random. And as you mentioned, Harlequins were left off entirely.

That said, it still does a good job of showing how heavily those top few armies influenced things.

Was a great weekend. Our team captain Chris Anderson took best general with only 3 WK lol. But of my 6 opponents only had an issue with one and it was not major. Staff did a great job.

BigDogg82 wrote:
Was a great weekend. Our team captain Chris Anderson took best general with only 3 WK lol. But of my 6 opponents only had an issue with one and it was not major. Staff did a great job.

I know he did! If only my GK player had ended the game on turn 6, then my SM player would have had top!

And Fishboy, yes, there were two Harlequins players, that for some reason got lumped into the Eldar category, even though we had pure harlequin army lists(well, mine was, the other had a Callidus assassin).

 Dude_I_Suck wrote:

BigDogg82 wrote:
Was a great weekend. Our team captain Chris Anderson took best general with only 3 WK lol. But of my 6 opponents only had an issue with one and it was not major. Staff did a great job.

I know he did! If only my GK player had ended the game on turn 6, then my SM player would have had top!

And Fishboy, yes, there were two Harlequins players, that for some reason got lumped into the Eldar category, even though we had pure harlequin army lists(well, mine was, the other had a Callidus assassin).

Were you Team Rage Quit Flip?

 Aldonis wrote:
Had a great time this year! Was good to be back....thanks for carrying the heavy load that it is to have me on your team Fishboy!

My back hurts

We definitely thought 5 WKs wasn't the best way to go--3 or 4 seemed to be the sweet spot. Five leaves you with no support whatsoever aside from an essentially naked Windrider Host.

Our 4-WK list beat two 5-WK lists (Alex Fennel's and River City 40k's), and the only loss it took was to a 2-WK list with 6x squads of Warp Spiders, which was the Kamikazes' anti-WK list and a bad pairing on our part.

We actually matched our WKs against the other team's WKs in every round (minus the two teams we played who didn't have a WK list). Ours wasn't inherently designed to be a counter-WK list (like the Kamikazes'), but instead we just figured we'd let those lists cancel each other out at worst, since not much else matches up well against it except tailored Grav lists. Tony just happened to play WK-on-WK matchups incredibly well and came out on top in all but the one.

Meanwhile, the problem with the tailored Grav lists is you can't generally force a WK list into the pairing. There were lots of Grav Skyhammers and they didn't seem to fare particularly well, since the WK lists just avoided them. In fact, by my count there were twelve Skyhammers (not all Grav, but certainly the vast majority) which means a full quarter of the teams had that specific list--but only one of those teams ended up in the top 10.

 jy2 wrote:

 Dude_I_Suck wrote:

BigDogg82 wrote:
Was a great weekend. Our team captain Chris Anderson took best general with only 3 WK lol. But of my 6 opponents only had an issue with one and it was not major. Staff did a great job.

I know he did! If only my GK player had ended the game on turn 6, then my SM player would have had top!

And Fishboy, yes, there were two Harlequins players, that for some reason got lumped into the Eldar category, even though we had pure harlequin army lists(well, mine was, the other had a Callidus assassin).

Were you Team Rage Quit Flip?

Yep, it is the team I put together so Josh could still go.

Other fun statistics (I'll get around to more some time soon)...

Number of times each Race was the highest ranked race in their team:

Eldar - 15 out of 34
Space Marines - 8 out of 30
Necrons - 6 out of 27
Adeptus Mechanics - 4 out of 12
Space Wolves - 3 out of 15
Tau - 2 out of 18
Daemons - 2 out of 11
Dark Angels - 2 out of 14
Dark Eldar - 1 out of 4
Chaos Marines - 1 out of 8
Orks - 1 out of 11

(Need to do some more fiddling now to find something like - when was faction X the highest ranked on their team, when they ALSO had a faction which placed higher on other teams. Ie, which teams had Tau do better than Eldar)

Trasvi wrote:
Other fun statistics (I'll get around to more some time soon)...

Number of times each Race was the highest ranked race in their team:

Eldar - 15 out of 34
Space Marines - 8 out of 30
Necrons - 6 out of 27
Adeptus Mechanics - 4 out of 12
Space Wolves - 3 out of 15
Tau - 2 out of 18
Daemons - 2 out of 11
Dark Angels - 2 out of 14
Dark Eldar - 1 out of 4
Chaos Marines - 1 out of 8
Orks - 1 out of 11

(Need to do some more fiddling now to find something like - when was faction X the highest ranked on their team, when they ALSO had a faction which placed higher on other teams. Ie, which teams had Tau do better than Eldar)

While cool, I don't think it means much as a statistic. There is too much that goes into matchups on each team strategy wise. Our team actually led an Imperial Knight list in one set of pairings specifically to try and draw out the Eldar 5 wraithknight list because we felt that it would give us four better match ups for our other lists.

 Dude_I_Suck wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

 Dude_I_Suck wrote:

BigDogg82 wrote:
Was a great weekend. Our team captain Chris Anderson took best general with only 3 WK lol. But of my 6 opponents only had an issue with one and it was not major. Staff did a great job.

I know he did! If only my GK player had ended the game on turn 6, then my SM player would have had top!

And Fishboy, yes, there were two Harlequins players, that for some reason got lumped into the Eldar category, even though we had pure harlequin army lists(well, mine was, the other had a Callidus assassin).

Were you Team Rage Quit Flip?

Yep, it is the team I put together so Josh could still go.

Cool. Josh and Garner were on our team, Team0Comp, but we had to disband due to a couple of drops. Good to see Josh's Centurions rock it big time.

BTW, I played against a member of your team at the BAO (Jon running Daemonkin). Very cool guy.

I had a great weekend running the marines on Death Spiral Down (Fennell ' s team as you all say) this past weekend! Hopefully we'll be back with the same team next year!

Congrats to everybody who played!

Trasvi wrote:
Other fun statistics (I'll get around to more some time soon)...

Number of times each Race was the highest ranked race in their team:

Eldar - 15 out of 34
Space Marines - 8 out of 30
Necrons - 6 out of 27
Adeptus Mechanics - 4 out of 12
Space Wolves - 3 out of 15
Tau - 2 out of 18
Daemons - 2 out of 11
Dark Angels - 2 out of 14
Dark Eldar - 1 out of 4
Chaos Marines - 1 out of 8
Orks - 1 out of 11

(Need to do some more fiddling now to find something like - when was faction X the highest ranked on their team, when they ALSO had a faction which placed higher on other teams. Ie, which teams had Tau do better than Eldar)

Call me crazy, but I think you left Nids off! I know of at least two teams where Nids were the top scoring player.

Is best Dark Eldar an accomplishment if there are only 4 players?

Still... 29th out of 240, i will take it!

 Anglacon wrote:
Is best Dark Eldar an accomplishment if there are only 4 players?

Still... 29th out of 240, i will take it!

Lance?

I was the "Eldar" on our team and skewed the stats a bit. The Eldar were primary with a Farseer, WK, and 3 small scatbike squads. Most of the points went into a Household IK detachment. Did pretty well, though I left a few points on the table over the weekend. lol... I would have been the top IK player by a large margin.


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And congrats to Shane, Chris and crew. We had a great time, as always!

Coldsteel, was your list the beautiful "necron" themed eldar/knight army?