Female Stormcast Eternals?

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**CoreCommander**

Mr Morden wrote:

Female figures / armies don't sell - plenty of these sold by other companies and more and more being made all the time - So I call false on this one.

I ain't saying that female figures as a rule don't sell, only that apparently GW can't sell enough to justify SoB reboot. I can't comment on the self fulfilling prophecy, but if they tried once and didn't meet their expectations what guarantee there is that if they try again people will hop on?

Mr Morden wrote:

back on to the main topic - there is no current fluff reason why there are not female Stormcast apart from GW apparently can;t be bothered.

Apart from the probability that GW, which actually makes the lore, may have decided that there won't be any female stormcast because of setting reasons

? Fans sometimes may try to usurp the lore and demand that their vision be fulfilled and not that of the author, but I'm not on this boat...

**Mr Morden**

CoreCommander wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

Female figures / armies don't sell - plenty of these sold by other companies and more and more being made all the time - So I call false on this one.

I ain't saying that female figures as a rule don't sell, only that apparently GW can't sell enough to justify SoB reboot. I can't comment on the self fulfilling prophecy, but if they tried once and didn't meet their expectations what guarantee there is that if they try again people will hop on?

Mr Morden wrote:

back on to the main topic - there is no current fluff reason why there are not female Stormcast apart from GW apparently can;t be bothered.

Apart from the probability that GW, which actually makes the lore, may have decided that there won't be any female stormcast because of setting reasons ? Fans sometimes may try to usurp the lore and demand that their vision be fulfilled and not that of the author, but I'm not on this boat...

As I mentioned right at the start of the thread - one of the BL authors himself asked GW about if there were any female Stormcast and was pretty much told - "dunno really - er if you like......".

When exactly did GW support Sisters apart from their very first launch - its exactly like the Dark Eldar - no support crap sales - new range great sales - wierd that.................

**Buttery Commissar**

Sqorgar wrote:
Buttery Commissar wrote:
I don't think it's PC/SJW/buzzword to just want to be able to picture yourself in a fantasy setting. Sure, it's justifiable fluff-size that these particular models look the way they do. And most people can't necessarily "relate" to being a shiny gold statue, and the body type probably doesn't represent many people...

Neither does Batman's body, but I think he does alright.

I have exactly zero things in common with the heroines of Jane Austin books, and yet I can relate to the characters, their trials and tribulations, just fine. Frankly, if you need someone just like you in order to relate, then you are a shallow, self absorbed individual who lacks basic empathy for your fellow mankind.

But part of the appeal of GW's products to many is the idea that you're part of the game. It is far harder to picture yourself as part of that setting when the only visible models to represent you are segregated into their own factions. The lack of human or heroic female figures is really depressing across all of GW's ranges.
You like to picture yourself as part of a world that has been overrun with Chaos, where you are constantly chased by Bloodreavers who, if they don't eat your flesh, will force you to join them by making you partake in the flesh of your companions?

If I'm going to picture myself as part of a setting, it'll be as a UPS man with a large package to drop off at a bored housewife's home while the husband is away... Or perhaps a pizza delivery man making his last unsuspecting delivery of the night to an all girl's slumber party... What I'm saying is that I like to picture myself in low paying delivery jobs.

I'm talking about friends and people around me who love the setting, and own several armies, yet have to make do with figures that don't represent them. The slight wistful expressions when we hear of new releases and know that again, no girls allowed.
Doesn't GW have an entire women-only faction in the Sisters of Battle? I don't play 40k. Is that a popular faction? Does its existence scream "no girls allowed" to you? Since representation is so important to you, do you play that faction personally? Do you seek out games with equal female units, like Infinity or Malifaux, or play Satyxis or Tharn units only in Warmachine?

The fact is, there are a lot of different games out there, and a lot of different factions within them, and if playing as female characters was important to you, your needs are well met elsewhere. Not every game has to hit every bulletpoint, and it's absolutely okay if a few games have poorer diversity and female representation as long as the field as a whole does not. No, you can't play female Space Marines, but you can play Sisters of Battle or play Infinity/Malifaux/Warmachine with all female armies - if that is what is really important to you.

I'm trying to work out of this post is deliberate satire, as you seem to have used my post to argue points I wasn't even making.

People who want to play an idealised version of any form is a-okay, I never said it wasn't. I wasn't saying people can't relate or empathise to someone outside their demographic...

But I don't think anything I have to say particularly matters to you. Your entire post sums up the indifference and "like it or lump it" situation that female players are in, and "you get SoB" outlines my point about (not wanting) a segregated faction. My "no girls allowed" comment was flippant, but it wasn't intended to attack anyone.

We don't want a special, cherished girl army, or to cripple the fluff by inserting tits on Astartes... we just want a couple of ladies to stand alongside the existing dudes, like they're shown to in fluff and FFG RPG books.
I'm not campaigning for change or threatening to take a anyone's toys away, but there's no need for any extremely defensive or hostile responses to "hey, some day I'd like some equal female figures."

**Davor**

Wulfmar wrote:A little bit of green stuff and you can have female stormcasts

Oh no, another female warrior needs female boob armour.

OgreChubbs wrote:Because they are iron robots and what soul on the inside doesnt matter. So they are all women but you can put a iron nipple and boob if you need that to be a woman.

You either become Batman or Blood Angels.

**jonolikespie**

Buttery Commissar wrote:
We don't want a special, cherished girl army, or to cripple the fluff by inserting tits on Astartes... we just want a couple of ladies to stand alongside the existing dudes, like they're shown to in fluff and FFG RPG books.
I'm not campaigning for change or threatening to take a anyone's toys away, but there's no need for any extremely defensive or hostile responses to "hey, some day I'd like some equal female figures."

There are some pretty good aftermarket places you can go like Raging Heroes and Victoria Minis to get female models designed to be compatible with warhammer/40k, but given that GW thinks their customer base is 13 year old boys buying toys they are unlikely to invest a lot of time or money in that many female figures.

**Buttery Commissar**

jonolikespie wrote:
Buttery Commissar wrote:
We don't want a special, cherished girl army, or to cripple the fluff by inserting tits on Astartes... we just want a couple of ladies to stand alongside the existing dudes, like they're shown to in fluff and FFG RPG books.
I'm not campaigning for change or threatening to take a anyone's toys away, but there's no need for any extremely defensive or hostile responses to "hey, some day I'd like some equal female figures."

There are some pretty good aftermarket places you can go like Raging Heroes and Victoria Minis to get female models designed to be compatible with warhammer/40k, but given that GW thinks their customer base is 13 year old boys buying toys they are unlikely to invest a lot of time or money in that many female figures.

One hopes that they may eventually see the Kickstarters, 3rd parties and ludicrous prices for their own retired IG women as indication they are desired.
Some day I might write them a letter, they generally get read.

This is not a dig at those who do enjoy them, but I believe RH are not targeted at women. They're nice pinup art at best, and breathtakingly crass at worst.

Victoria Minis set a high bar.

**Bottle**

I think with GW aesthetics trumps all, and the Stormcast arguably look better as uniform armored guys than they would as a mish-mash of guys and girls, humans, dwarves, elves and whatever else. Perhaps in the same way that undead are all human - it just looks better on the battlefield (or arguably does).

It is a shame for people wanting to play as female Stormcast who may not have the ability to convert or model their own.

I do think fantasy has a great selection of Female models however, and with the unbound of AoS there has never been a better time to create an awesome female Aelf army.

Dark Elf Witches, Sorceresses, High Elf Sisters of Avalorn, Alarielle, the Hand Maiden, and quite a few Wood Elf models could all be combined to create a really cool looking female army - in fact I am tempted to put one together as it might persuade my wife to give tabletop games a chance :-p

**Andreas 2.0**

Buttery Commissar wrote:

Wommenz is harder to sculpt theory? If you can make a six titted snake daemon with a knight perched on it, you can make a woman in a uniform that doesn't look like she's smuggling her ammunition bags around in her tunic.

This seems aimed at the thing I said about sculpting. Now, you try to brush it of as something that can't be true because they are able to sculpt something more difficult. You just forget that I was talkng about the historical aspect of sculpting pre-computersculpting. It is not a theory, and it is not a fenomenon exclusive to sculpting. Drawing women in comics is equally diffucult, and the artists tend to exaggerate physical aspects of women to compensate. I said that this was part of the problem back when you sculpted 1to1 in greenstuff or clay. And as for your example - breasts are pretty damn easy to sculpt compared to female faces, so it isn't really as good an example as pointing to witch elves or dark eldar. Stop taking things out of context guys. It doesn't help the conversation.

**RoperPG**

It comes down to how you ask the question;
"Why aren't there any female Stormcast?" is a fluff query.
"WHY AREN'T THERE ANY FEMALE STORMCAST?!" is effectively a statement you think the lack is a problem.

After all, we've had years of Empire releases without female representation...