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Just so you know Gits, you have 50 points to spare with that first list as you can't take a Praetor at 500 points (Master of the Legion requires 1000 points) and so will have to take a Centurion.

Maybe it could be used to make a Centurion with the Champion Consul upgrade, Refractor Field, AArmour, Melta Bombs and Phoenix Spear, which would make him basically a Praetor with -1 W and -1 A and being forced to Challenge with the bonus of being able to Master-craft a weapon, having a 5++ and having melta bombs, just in case.

And that above build is probably among the most dangerous single minis you'll find at 500 points.

Seems like that's the best list, plenty of firepower and a decent number of bodies.

Awesome.

Yeah I would have gone with the first list as well.

Unfortunately that particular combination is 10 points too expensive. 130 points rather than 120. I could drop the melta bomb easily enough, but there's nowhere else to get the last 5 points. The only solution I can see is dropping the artificer armor on the tactical sergeant.

If the Cent is going to run with the Tacs, and you don't mind having your HQ pull Tank duty, you could drop the Sarge's AA? You're relying on LoS/a 5++ for AP2/1 weapons then, but that's probably the best way to get that particular Cent build in. OR you could keep the Sarge's AA and drop the Refractor Field; against shooting you'll be using LoS rather than chancing on the 5++. and with Praetors (and thus Paragon Blades) out of the picture, any CC AP2 is going to be hitting at I1 anyway, so you've a good chance of dealing with it before it swings.

At 500, I think making sacrifices in list-building is part of the game, really. If I were to lose something from the list, though, I'd drop the Refractor Field for the above reasons.

What worried me is that this list has no way of dealing with terminators (other than getting lucky). Assuming the centurion assaults cataphractii (the most commonly used terminators that I've seen), he should kill, on average... 1, maybe two on the outside. The termies respond with PFs or some such killing a bunch of normal marines, and the squad and HQ are fleeing. Same scenario for the meltas as they have to move into easy charge range to shoot, but should only actually kill 1.5 cataphractii, after which they get charged and wiped out.

So, what am I not taking into account? This seems one of the weakest lists available, not the strongest.

Well, Termies do die to buckets of dice, in ZM setting up a short-range Fury of the Legion for 4 shots per Tactical at 12" shouldn't be too hard, that should cripple a Termie squad, I'd think (though I haven't run the numbers)

The other thing to bear in mind is that with the Cataphractii being unable to Run, you're probably able to avoid them in the tight terrain easily enough (if they're coming for one of your units, it'll be telegraphed at least a turn beforehand) so long as you're not in a dead end. A list with Termies is going to have at most 2 other units, more likely 1 and a HQ. Shouldn't be too hard to deal with, if you can play the objective game, kite the Termies, set a trap if need be, don't take them head on.

It's a risk, but other than swapping the Melta squad for Plasma (meaning you lose effectiveness somewhere else because of the points increase) I don't see a way around it...

Oh, by the way, the Support Squad has 5 specials, not 4 (the Sarge gets one as well)

OK, that makes sense.


So, here's what I came up with for the "above ground" list...

HQ: Centurion - AA, PSpear, RField, Legion Champion
EL: Rapier (Laser Destroyer)
TP: LTS - sgt w/ AA, PSpear, MB
FA: Outriders (4) - plasma pistol, sgt w/PSpear, MB

So basically a straight swap of the Support Squad for the Outriders? Seems decent, and you've not got many other options for Troops at this level (I keep trying to come up with something for the Assault Marines, but they're half the list on their own, by the time you add a decent HQ you've got maybe 100 points to play with).

Yeah, I figure a solid list is a solid list... so you mess with it as little as possible in order to get where you're going.

The other thing you have to consider is that all these cuts you're having to make to fit everything in, anyone you go up against is going to have gone through the same process. So a big part of it once the plastic hits the table is going to be figuring out where the opponent has made the biggest sacrifices and pressing those weak spots if you can. With so few units and options in the list-building, and just the nature of ZM games, in-game tactics are going to be as important as any plan going in.

Anyway, when can we have pics of shiny EC Marines?

I'll get to work on them today, but I'm still going through the process or ordering parts & units. All the mucking about is done though. Unfortunately I have to wait 10-14 days for key components to come in from the UK. But... in the nonce I'll build what I can.

Accept it. You are a legend gits. We wants purple!

This... was a lot less fun than I thought it would be.

Hopefully the next part will be better.

 Gitsplitta wrote:
This... was a lot less fun than I thought it would be.

Hopefully the next part will be better.

As long as we get to see paint soon, it was worth it!

Don't be like that Gits, you'll soon be loving it off all the superglue/paint fumes!

And now that you've settled on a list, they've gone and changed the EC rules!

???!

Don't fret. The updated rules won't be out terribly soon. At open day they said they had just gone to the printers.

Thanks Zuul... almost had a brown-trouser moment there.


OK gang, so I want to batch paint all (well... most) of the EC at once so they have a uniform look about them. That means you won't see paint for another 2 weeks probably as I have to wait for a number of things to come in from Forge World. However... I'll make amends by painting a few extra things for you. Possibilities are... more tac marines, siccaran, contemptor & a group of terminators of some kind.

In the mean time I won't tease the blog unless I've got something concrete to show for it. Builds should start soon. They'd start tomorrow except that I'm involved in an Apoc campaign starting in a month or so and all the ork players have decided to fight it out amongst ourselves to see who gets to be warlord. My first fight is Tuesday night. 1500 pts, no named characters, 1 CAD, no SH. Boss Gitsplitta has been frothing at the mouth and has whipped the boyz into a real frenzy.

Sounds good guys list looks solid

@Bama.... I saw a post, and almost soiled my self with glee... And it wasn't Gits... :(

Sorry to disappoint. But I am curious to see him tackle the purple

Forge World order arrived today. I'm out of excuses now...

Excellent.. whats in the stash?

Not much. A HB Rapier and some appropriate melta guns. I'll make my own las set-up for the rapier so they can be switched out. I also ordered the EC decal sheet, but they didn't bother sending that along.

yessssssss.... What goodies did you get!

The Forge World decal sheets are amazing Gits, just so much stuff on them. Yes they are expensive but they are well worth it just because of the variety of markings you get (and also for those likeme that find freehand and consistency a chore) I have barely scratched the surface on my Heresy Alpha decals.

I this army based around a Betrayal At Calth set or purely resin?

It's pretty much a mix.