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ah, k, sorry got a bit confused. And yeah, I could see them getting Skyhammer, as loathe as I am to try it out for it is cheese. I honestly think that Flamebringers will be either that or an Auxiliary choice of some kind, and then the IF and IH will have chapter-specific formations...

Okay, so I'm looking reaaaaaaallly hard at the Imperial Fists Chapter Organization thing from White Dwarf and it definitely is a Battle Demi-Company underneath of the other.

The other SEEMS to be the Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Okay, so I'm looking reaaaaaaallly hard at the Imperial Fists Chapter Organization thing from White Dwarf and it definitely is a Battle Demi-Company underneath of the other.

The other SEEMS to be the Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort.

I agree. Definitely looks like the Siegebreaker. It fits them a little, though Dev Cents would fit better. I see Storm Wing as an option (I wish it was Raptor Wing though).

Called it. Iron Hands get Skyhammer Annihilation Force--and the Orbital Strike Force as well!


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Okay, so I'm looking reaaaaaaallly hard at the Imperial Fists Chapter Organization thing from White Dwarf and it definitely is a Battle Demi-Company underneath of the other.

The other SEEMS to be the Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort.

I agree. Definitely looks like the Siegebreaker. It fits them a little, though Dev Cents would fit better. I see Storm Wing as an option (I wish it was Raptor Wing though).

Honestly, Devastator Centurions are something that can be taken as part of the Battle Demi-Company so that's not really a big deal.

...huh. I might actually build the Skyhammer for a tourney I'm going to in may... dammit now I need grav cannons...

That kinda bugs me, as Iron Hands were one I would love to do but I opted instead for Raptors played as Raven Guard.

I play Iron Warriors and Raven Guard in 30k, so the color scheme works out in this case. Do we have any idea what buffs the Detachments give?

Well, if the Imperial Fists detachment uses just the basic Battle Demi-Company with no ability to take Pedro Kantor in place of the Captain, I am probably not going to use the new stuff at all. Sucks big time.

I wonder if they will alow any of thr new formations into the gladius?

 Nevelon wrote:
I wonder if they will alow any of thr new formations into the gladius?

Doubtful. The only Strike Forces I believe we'll see these in are the new ones in the supplement.

 Nevelon wrote:
I wonder if they will alow any of thr new formations into the gladius?

I certainly hope so. That way Ultramarines aren't left out in the rain.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, if the Imperial Fists detachment uses just the basic Battle Demi-Company with no ability to take Pedro Kantor in place of the Captain, I am probably not going to use the new stuff at all. Sucks big time.

Pedro Kantor is the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists, not a Captain.

Just like how you can't put Calgar into the Battle Demi-Company or Helbrecht into it either.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, if the Imperial Fists detachment uses just the basic Battle Demi-Company with no ability to take Pedro Kantor in place of the Captain, I am probably not going to use the new stuff at all. Sucks big time.

Pedro Kantor is the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists, not a Captain.

Just like how you can't put Calgar into the Battle Demi-Company or Helbrecht into it either.

He is also Captain of the Crusade Company (1st Company). And he can be used in place of a Captain in the Pinion and Scarblade Battle Demi-Companies, just not the standard BDC.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, if the Imperial Fists detachment uses just the basic Battle Demi-Company with no ability to take Pedro Kantor in place of the Captain, I am probably not going to use the new stuff at all. Sucks big time.

Pedro Kantor is the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists, not a Captain.

Just like how you can't put Calgar into the Battle Demi-Company or Helbrecht into it either.

He is also Captain of the Crusade Company (1st Company). And he can be used in place of a Captain in the Pinion and Scarblade Battle Demi-Companies, just not the standard BDC.

Yeah, well he shouldn't be able to be used in those.

Putting it gently, it seems like the Pinion and Scarblade were written after the whole nonsense about "You can't upgrade a Captain in a BDC into a Chapter Master!", so they allowed Pedro to be joined in that way.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, if the Imperial Fists detachment uses just the basic Battle Demi-Company with no ability to take Pedro Kantor in place of the Captain, I am probably not going to use the new stuff at all. Sucks big time.

Pedro Kantor is the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists, not a Captain.

Just like how you can't put Calgar into the Battle Demi-Company or Helbrecht into it either.

He is also Captain of the Crusade Company (1st Company). And he can be used in place of a Captain in the Pinion and Scarblade Battle Demi-Companies, just not the standard BDC.

Yeah, well he shouldn't be able to be used in those.

Putting it gently, it seems like the Pinion and Scarblade were written after the whole nonsense about "You can't upgrade a Captain in a BDC into a Chapter Master!", so they allowed Pedro to be joined in that way.

That may well be, but now the BDC is the odd man out.

I suppose they could have a special rule in the Sternhammer to allow it or change the Pinion and Scarblade to remove the option. If it isn't there, I probably won't run a Sternhammer.

Ol' Pedro will probably be a command choice for the Detachment.

Sure, that'll mean running a Captain or Chaplian in the core Formation, but given that it's likely the Battle Company rule from the Gladius won't be present, you'll probably only take one of those anyway.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Ol' Pedro will probably be a command choice for the Detachment.

Sure, that'll mean running a Captain or Chaplian in the core Formation, but given that it's likely the Battle Company rule from the Gladius won't be present, you'll probably only take one of those anyway.

I am sure he will be a Strike Force Command choice, but I would rather not have to get a Captain or Chaplain if I don't have to. I suppose another character to tank wounds with Pedro isn't the end of the world.

Having Zealot and fearless in his unit isn't a bad thing, especially with Honor Guard or Assault Centurions

 Swampmist wrote:
Having Zealot and fearless in his unit isn't a bad thing, especially with Honor Guard or Assault Centurions

A Chaplain is the cheaper option. So if I end up having needing one, I suppose I will get the SM Heroes box to get the plastic Chaplain.

Assault Centurions LOVE Chaplains. They love Tyberos. They love Captains sporting EW.

Unfortunate that I can't fit a Chaplain into that list...

Pedro+Siege Breaker Cohort+Chaplain+Landraiderr Spearhead for the Sternhammer anyone?

What are the two core? Siege Breaker and Battle Company?

seems to be, based on squint-foo from kan and cas.

The first time someone is going to buy a Centurion box and make Assault Centurions.

These truly are the End Times...

 Crazyterran wrote:
What are the two core? Siege Breaker and Battle Company?

For the Sternhammer? Yes, it appears so. That is pretty cool too. Thus far all of the detachments (besides the Gladius) have pretty varied options for core choices. I still wish I had a core choice that was a buttload of Dev Cents. Who knows maybe one of the Sternhammer's command benefits will allow Dev Cents to be used in any formation that has Assault Cents. I don't even have any Centurions and I want that.

If the IH formation can take a Librarian at all, I'll be taking some kind of hammernator star in a landraider, probably backed by podding Sternguard. Cas, I will be dissapoint if you don't pull off a crazy Cent+chappy+Pedro strat, if only because I can't but REALLY want to see it

Hmm, im pretty sure even GW knows Grav Cemts are a bit over the top, so I doubt we would get anything that glorious.

Otherwise I might have to run my Grav Cents as the UltraFists. Delivering a fisting to the enemies of man since M2.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Hmm, im pretty sure even GW knows Grav Cemts are a bit over the top, so I doubt we would get anything that glorious.

Otherwise I might have to run my Grav Cents as the UltraFists. Delivering a fisting to the enemies of man since M2.

I don't even own any Cents. I just want to see it. I am really looking forward to seeing the Sternhammer's command benefits, though. I hope they are like the Scarblade and Talon in that they don't require two cores.


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Now, here is the question. If I do decide to build a Centurion Siegebreaker for a Core choice, so I get myself an Ironclad Dreadnought or a Contemptor Dreadnought to run in it?

I did some more squinting at the Sternhammer and here is a list of formations that appear to be in it.

Command: Strike Force Command, Librarius Conclave, Reclusium Command Squad
Core: Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort, Battle Demi-Company
Auxilliaries:
Column 1: Armored Task Force, 1st Company Task Force, 10th Company Task Force, Anti-Air Defense Force, Storm Wing, Suppression Force
Column 2: Land Raider Spearhead, Strike Force Ultra, Skyhammer Orbital Strike Force, Skyhammer Annihilation Force, Raptor Wing
Column 3: Devastators, Centurions, Line Breakers, Ordnance, Siege Ancients

The benefit of playing Blood Ravens is that I can basically pick my chapter tactics (not known who they are the successors of), so I may have to try out the Iron Hands Decurion with the Armored Task Force and a Skyhammer. Just sounds like fun.