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Those who have never faced death down, in a close personal manner, who have never seen a dear friend lost to that evil, and haunted by it can say all day what is right from the comfort of a computer chair. SFC Martland saw Death daily, greeted him, and they had an understanding. SFC Martland had no such understanding with a person who would rape, torture, and beat a child.
Should we force a culture on others in order to prevent this? I say yes. Is it not the United States responsibility now to pick up the pieces of a country we dismantled from tyranny and vile religious rule.

If a neighbor country suddenly ratified a law allowing female and child slavery, would the rest of the bordering countries sit idly by and allow this. If so, what stops them from trafficking in your children and wife.

SFC Martland acted in accordance with the values we hold dear while wearing the uniform. Anyone who has been there knows the ROE and our values seldom mesh seamlessly. GEN McCrystal definitely saw to that during his reign.

The ROE does state we allow them to handle their own justice, and its been factually mentioned several times before in this thread, no one does anything about it. What kind of men and women do you want defending your country? Those who sit by idly allowing this to happen, or those who would stand up and risk everything to stop it. I know where I stand on this subject.

 redleger wrote:
Those who have never faced death down, in a close personal manner, who have never seen a dear friend lost to that evil, and haunted by it can say all day what is right from the comfort of a computer chair. SFC Martland saw Death daily, greeted him, and they had an understanding. SFC Martland had no such understanding with a person who would rape, torture, and beat a child.
Should we force a culture on others in order to prevent this? I say yes. Is it not the United States responsibility now to pick up the pieces of a country we dismantled from tyranny and vile religious rule.

What you just posted sounds like the voiceover to a Call of Duty trailer.

 redleger wrote:
If a neighbor country suddenly ratified a law allowing female and child slavery, would the rest of the bordering countries sit idly by and allow this.

It depends... are the slaves making iphones and nikes?

 d-usa wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
For the paragons of justice, how exactly would you have reacted if confronted with this vile child rapist's boasting?
Knowing that, legally, you have absolutely no where to go. Would you just stand there, look him in the eye, and walk away?
If so, you're a better man than the overwhelming majority of individuals.
Beside, the scumbag is still alive, he wasn't killed, just given a well deserved push to the ground, whatever that means.
Personally, I wouldnt care if he accidentally sustained the loss of a couple of teeth during his fall, but that's just me.

I take care of pedophiles, rapists, racists, and other scum on a fairly regular basis. I have taken care of people covered in neo-Nazi tattoos bragging about what they do to n***ers and f***ots because I'm the only person that is able to care for them because I'm white and straight and any women that ends up in the room gets molested and groped. I've taken care of racist pedophiles with zero regret, and I know what they are capable of doing to my mixed 2 year old daughter at home.

And I do the same thing for them that I do for every other person that I take care off: I try to make them comfortable, relief their pain, teach them how to maintain their health at home, and make sure their needs are met.

And I honestly don't think that makes me a better man than the overwhelming majority of individuals.

I'm guessing that's because you're a medical professional, and not currently a soldier?
I'm afraid, that your circumstances are very different to the one that this guy faced. Especially as you choose to work with these individuals and are aware of what, and who they are. You haven't been unexpectedly confronted with it, and had the crime and injustice of it rubbed in your face, and have had no way, or training, to deal with it.
My father was a probation officer who specialised in working with sex offenders, he trained other probation officers to deal with these specific offences professionally in order that they would be dealt with properly in accordance with the law.
I always admired him for that, for his ability to deal with these abhorrent scumbags, and not bring it home. I could not do what he did.

 redleger wrote:
What kind of men and women do you want defending your country?

Men and women with enough self control to remember their duty, their laws, and their orders. .


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 r_squared wrote:
Especially as you choose to work with these individuals and are aware of what, and who they are. You haven't been unexpectedly confronted with it, and had the crime and injustice of it rubbed in your face, and have had no way, or training, to deal with it.

I made the choice to provide care to veterans that served in the US military, but I didn't really expect to take care of a significant number of racists, rapists, and pedophiles. But I still encounter them in my job, and I still do my job without resorting to violent outbursts and vigilante justice.

I also worked in EMS and the fire department and encountered the scum of the earth daily in those jobs as well.

I think my "choice" to work with these individuals was about as thorough as the "choice" of people serving in our armed services in working with these individuals. I would imagine that people serving in the military at least considered the possibility of having to work side by side with scum.

I also think that I had the same amount of training on how to deal with it: pretty much none. Honestly, in my training for EMS, the fire service, or nursing, there was general discussion about how to deal with burnout and stress, but there really wasn't any actual training on how to deal with having to take care of scum.

What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

 redleger wrote:
Those who have never faced death down, in a close personal manner, who have never seen a dear friend lost to that evil, and haunted by it can say all day what is right from the comfort of a computer chair. SFC Martland saw Death daily, greeted him, and they had an understanding. SFC Martland had no such understanding with a person who would rape, torture, and beat a child.
Should we force a culture on others in order to prevent this? I say yes. Is it not the United States responsibility now to pick up the pieces of a country we dismantled from tyranny and vile religious rule.

If a neighbor country suddenly ratified a law allowing female and child slavery, would the rest of the bordering countries sit idly by and allow this. If so, what stops them from trafficking in your children and wife.

SFC Martland acted in accordance with the values we hold dear while wearing the uniform. Anyone who has been there knows the ROE and our values seldom mesh seamlessly. GEN McCrystal definitely saw to that during his reign.

The ROE does state we allow them to handle their own justice, and its been factually mentioned several times before in this thread, no one does anything about it. What kind of men and women do you want defending your country? Those who sit by idly allowing this to happen, or those who would stand up and risk everything to stop it. I know where I stand on this subject.

cough http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053 What American values were these troops holding dear? Defending the largest opium boom in decades? More Americans die from opiate overdoses every year than 15 years of Afghani occupation, times ten or more, so spare me the dramatic "for those that face death" hyperbole.

Your post reads like bad Army fan-fic.

They treat women worse than that and have for centuries, but feth a boy? Them's fighting words. Lol at the fake macho posturing because it's a homosexual act. Child brides are "ehhhh you shouldn't, but its a woman, so we understand" but a boy is a big deal for some reason.

I'm also glad that we dismantled tyranny and vile religious rule, so the average Afghani can still live under tyranny and vile religious rule. Great job at that one.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

I don't know if anything was. It was a case of someone in a stressful enviornment who found out someone was raping kids on a U.S. base. His bs tolerance level had been exceeded and he lost it a little bit.

DutchWinsAll wrote:

 redleger wrote:
Those who have never faced death down, in a close personal manner, who have never seen a dear friend lost to that evil, and haunted by it can say all day what is right from the comfort of a computer chair. SFC Martland saw Death daily, greeted him, and they had an understanding. SFC Martland had no such understanding with a person who would rape, torture, and beat a child.
Should we force a culture on others in order to prevent this? I say yes. Is it not the United States responsibility now to pick up the pieces of a country we dismantled from tyranny and vile religious rule.

If a neighbor country suddenly ratified a law allowing female and child slavery, would the rest of the bordering countries sit idly by and allow this. If so, what stops them from trafficking in your children and wife.

SFC Martland acted in accordance with the values we hold dear while wearing the uniform. Anyone who has been there knows the ROE and our values seldom mesh seamlessly. GEN McCrystal definitely saw to that during his reign.

The ROE does state we allow them to handle their own justice, and its been factually mentioned several times before in this thread, no one does anything about it. What kind of men and women do you want defending your country? Those who sit by idly allowing this to happen, or those who would stand up and risk everything to stop it. I know where I stand on this subject.

cough http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053 What American values were these troops holding dear? Defending the largest opium boom in decades? More Americans die from opiate overdoses every year than 15 years of Afghani occupation, times ten or more, so spare me the dramatic "for those that face death" hyperbole.

Your post reads like bad Army fan-fic.

They treat women worse than that and have for centuries, but feth a boy? Them's fighting words. Lol at the fake macho posturing because it's a homosexual act. Child brides are "ehhhh you shouldn't, but its a woman, so we understand" but a boy is a big deal for some reason.

I'm also glad that we dismantled tyranny and vile religious rule, so the average Afghani can still live under tyranny and vile religious rule. Great job at that one.

I'm pretty sure there are more Afghan girls and women who are able to go to school now and do things they weren't able to do under the Taliban. But sorry that the US military hasn't been able to win every fight ever and right every injustice ever all at the same time. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take any action just because we can't address everything all at once.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

Makes the revenge boner twitch a little.

Relapse wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

I don't know if anything was. It was a case of someone in a stressful enviornment who found out someone was raping kids on a U.S. base. His bs tolerance level had been exceeded and he lost it a little bit.

Point of interest, it was not on a US base. Had it been, this would have been an entirely different story.

 d-usa wrote:

 redleger wrote:
What kind of men and women do you want defending your country?

Men and women with enough self control to remember their duty, their laws, and their orders. .


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 r_squared wrote:
Especially as you choose to work with these individuals and are aware of what, and who they are. You haven't been unexpectedly confronted with it, and had the crime and injustice of it rubbed in your face, and have had no way, or training, to deal with it.

I made the choice to provide care to veterans that served in the US military, but I didn't really expect to take care of a significant number of racists, rapists, and pedophiles. But I still encounter them in my job, and I still do my job without resorting to violent outbursts and vigilante justice.

I also worked in EMS and the fire department and encountered the scum of the earth daily in those jobs as well.

I think my "choice" to work with these individuals was about as thorough as the "choice" of people serving in our armed services in working with these individuals. I would imagine that people serving in the military at least considered the possibility of having to work side by side with scum.

I also think that I had the same amount of training on how to deal with it: pretty much none. Honestly, in my training for EMS, the fire service, or nursing, there was general discussion about how to deal with burnout and stress, but there really wasn't any actual training on how to deal with having to take care of scum.

I'm sorry, but reading your post makes it sound like a significant number of the military veterans you help are racists, rapists and pedophiles? I'm sure that's not what you meant.
However, you must be able to acknowledge that this GB's situation is significantly different to the one you are in. I'm currently serving in the military, and have completed tours in Afghanistan myself, however I fully acknowledge that, if i found myself in the same situation as this GB, Im not sure I would be able to credit myself to not act in the same manner he did, despite my many years of professional disciplined service and exemplary record.
I cannot condemn him for that, and I won't, and I am uncomfortable with holding him to a higher standard that I myself my not be able to attain.


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 feeder wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

Makes the revenge boner twitch a little.

When no other justice of any kind will be served? What do you think?

 djones520 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

I don't know if anything was. It was a case of someone in a stressful enviornment who found out someone was raping kids on a U.S. base. His bs tolerance level had been exceeded and he lost it a little bit.

Point of interest, it was not on a US base. Had it been, this would have been an entirely different story.

Some of the articles I read said this stuff happens on U.S. bases. I'll rummage about and see if I can find them.

Edit: You're right, the boy had been tied to a post for two weeks and raped repeatadly.

 r_squared wrote:
I'm currently serving in the military, and have completed tours in Afghanistan myself, however I fully acknowledge that, if i found myself in the same situation as this GB, Im not sure I would be able to credit myself to not act in the same manner he did, despite my many years of professional disciplined service and exemplary record.
I cannot condemn him for that, and I won't, and I am uncomfortable with holding him to a higher standard that I myself my not be able to attain.

I will freely admit that I am judging him from the safety and comfort of my office far away from any combat zones.

 d-usa wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
I'm currently serving in the military, and have completed tours in Afghanistan myself, however I fully acknowledge that, if i found myself in the same situation as this GB, Im not sure I would be able to credit myself to not act in the same manner he did, despite my many years of professional disciplined service and exemplary record.
I cannot condemn him for that, and I won't, and I am uncomfortable with holding him to a higher standard that I myself my not be able to attain.

I will freely admit that I am judging him from the safety and comfort of my office far away from any combat zones.

I've not been posting in here that much, simply because some of the posts I've seen in here from folks who haven't seen first hand what things there are like, and the things they are saying, are just lighting my blood on fire. That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 djones520 wrote:
I've not been posting in here that much, simply because some of the posts I've seen in here from folks who haven't seen first hand what things there are like, and the things they are saying, are just lighting my blood on fire. That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Well, I hope you're also considering that most if not all of the people here who don't support what he did have expressed happiness that he wasn't drummed out.

I would have been okay with him being drummed out, but I'm also okay with him receiving a less severe punishment as well. I mostly just disagree with people who make it seem like it was okay for him to do it.

I also know that it is very easy for a civilian to be an armchair general regarding the military while sitting safely at the home front, and I just wanted to acknowledge that I am fully aware that I am posting from a "you weren't there" kind of position and I willingly acknowledge that this may easily influence my replies.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is achieved by physically assaulting a rapist?

Making sure the rapist knows that he should be dead, and any future offenses will result in more beatings or worse. But you do have a point, which is why the rapist should have been shot. Dead rapists don't rape children anymore.

DutchWinsAll wrote:
They treat women worse than that and have for centuries, but feth a boy? Them's fighting words. Lol at the fake macho posturing because it's a homosexual act. Child brides are "ehhhh you shouldn't, but its a woman, so we understand" but a boy is a big deal for some reason.

Nice straw man there.

We seem to be mostly retreading the same points this last while, some of which start to toe the line of politeness now and then, so we're just going to call this done. If more develops feel free to PM me and I'll unlock it, but as for further "he deserves to die/he doesn't deserve to die" back and forth we can just leave that be, it was getting pretty repetitive.