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 Anemone wrote:
Whats wrong with lore changing?

There is not an explanation, but a word that answers this: Necrons.

@Tactical_Spam: So...never change anything again?

Okay...but how far back do we have to go and stop changing things? I'm sure everyone's going to differ quite a lot about that.

Also I guess I shouldn't then mention I like Necrons having the capacity for more nuanced diplomatic interaction and diverse motives. *shrugs*

 Anemone wrote:
@Tactical_Spam: So...never change anything again?

Okay...but how far back do we have to go and stop changing things? I'm sure everyone's going to differ quite a lot about that.

Also I guess I shouldn't then mention I like Necrons having the capacity for more nuanced diplomatic interaction and diverse motives. *shrugs*

To make Female Space Marines, Black library would have to retcon every single book that mentions the Astartes and start the Horus Heresy from the beginning. You'd have to delete much more fluff to make Female Space Marines than you would to make male SoB

 Jimsolo wrote:

TL;dr: in the case of the Sisters the gender imbalance is an integral part of their fluff. In the case of Space Marines the gender imbalance is only part of their fluff to justify the gender exclusion that existed for years before it was questioned.

I would argue that the Space Marine Gender imbalance is integral to their status as a parody of the 20th century interpretation of Nietzsche superman.

Has anyone looked at the number of recruts from any given planet. My question is, if only at most 1000 are sellected from the intire population, what would the likelyhood for a female space marine even be?

 warhead01 wrote:
Has anyone looked at the number of recruts from any given planet. My question is, if only at most 1000 are sellected from the intire population, what would the likelyhood for a female space marine even be?

It takes tens of thousands of recruits to make a single Chapter. They are taken from the best of the best, which being a sexually dimorphic species, would be all males.

They are taken from the best of the best, which being a sexually dimorphic species, would be all males.

The "best" qualification is whatever makes geneseed take to the host. There no amount of toughness or badassness that makes up for geneseed rejection. IIRC there's been explicit cases of weaker but more suitable hosts taking up the geneseed and overcoming their previous flaws. Very Capt. America in a way.

It's not unimaginable that some human populations would be better for recruitment than others and it's similarly not unimaginable (though it would be exceedingly rare) that some of those more qualified pops. would be women or include women.

 Anemone wrote:
@Sgt_Smudge:

Or maybe the creators just wanted to create what they wanted, not necessarily for a fanbase, so to speak? The trope of most Space Marine players being childish teens and creating "No gurlz allowed" rules is frankly overdone, IMHO.

You're argument here is that the company just made Space Marines because its what they really liked and not in order to be commercially successful by altering it to be profitable over time?

I mean. If you want to believe that fine. Its very nice and idealistic.

Maybe true. Unfortunately, this changes nothing. We're in Background, and I think lore is the most important thing to discuss.

Besides, to quote yourself "Your belief isn't necessary." I'll believe what I might about GW's business practice, regardless what you might.

As for quitting an army, if the army's lore changes (which it would have to, to support female SMs), is that not a reason to quit them? Say Tyranids go through a phase wherein their entire shtick about being a biological army needing to feed is scrapped and they become MLP cavalry and beasts with exo-suits? Would you chastise Tyranid players if they quit that?

I wouldn't have considered the presence of mixed-gendered Space Marines anywhere near the level of the change you've hypothetically suggested for the 'nids. Clearly we place gender on two very different levels of importance. To me it'd be an inconsequential change, like when the Tyranid's main paint scheme went from Kraken to Leviathen. Yeah, I'd have found it weird if someone quit Tyranid because of something as minor as a paint scheme, which is what I see gender as.

So, you ignore all the context of the setting and reasons to why gender matters in those armies, purely because you see it as cosmetic? Huh.

I felt my examples would be appropriate if you properly wanted to add mixed genders, seeing as you'd need to retcon fluff (especially so in the Sister's case). However, to use your logic - if Sisters of Battle were changed in aesthetic to be massively sexualised, to the point of offensiveness. Or Vostroyan Imperial Guard's aesthetic changing from Russian-esque uniform to Celtic instead. Would that be a justified reason for someone to quit Vostroyans?

Okay, where have I mentioned they are genetic clones of the Emperor? And the voodoo magic quote is from yourself, saying to Tactical_Spam "Indeed it is almost like vodoo magic". I'm using your statement.

Didn't you say the 'fluff points that have been made in this thread?' I presumed you weren't referring to just your own fluff points so I mentioned ones others made too. If we're going to discuss 'fluff points' I thought it best to be inclusive. What's wrong with that?

Because it's not a point I endorse.
If you want to put words in my mouth, go ahead, but I've not supported that. If you think lumping all opposing views together and not dealing with them case by case is completely okay, I will vehemently disagree.

And I have only mentioned some fluff points. I don't think I ever insinuated that ALL fluff points were accurate, according to me.

Hell, why not ask:
Why is Horus called Horus and not *insert name here*?
Why are orks warlike?

Are you presuming I'd have a problem with these questions? Cause I really wouldn't?

No. I am merely making the point.
Of course though, I do wonder why you're arguing in a fluff forum if you see the so-called fundamentals of the setting as quite so malleable.

Why is the Tau Empire so technologically advanced?

What? Compared to who?

The Imperium, on standard of living (for the majority of citizens)
Orks, on technological control.
Tyranids, seeing as they have no electrical tech.

And yes - for their age as a race, the Tau advanced in tech VERY quickly.

A male Ecclesiarchy doesn't work with current lore, due to the Decree Passive. I'd oppose male SOB just as intensely as female SMs. The lore sets them as mono-gender, and mono-gender they will be to me, unless someone changes the lore. But why change the lore? Is there a need to? I am bothered by it like any other aspect of lore - I see diplomatic Tyranids? Nope. I see Space Marines who have perfected everything, cured the Red Thirst, descended from every Primarch, super powerful but with a DARK SEEECRET SHUSHHH and liked by everyone? Hell nope. It's not female Space Marines I have an issue with. It's running counter to lore which I hesitate at.

Whats wrong with lore changing? Honestly I understand disliking bad changes to lore, and I don't dispute they exist, but I definitely don't believe lore should never change at all. If the lore changed to allow female Space Marines and male Sisters of Battle I'd imagine, and hope, it wouldn't be considered a very big deal by players (in universe would be a different matter).

Counter-argument: what's wrong with keeping it the same?
I don't object to lore changes, provided they are done well, and actually bring something unique to the faction's flavour.

Want your Space Marines to be female? Cool. But I won't believe that myself for a second.

Your belief isn't really necessary.

So, if my belief means nothing, why are you even concerned about lore, if you can dismiss canon conflict without hesitation? Especially in a Background discussion?

And yes, of course one can consider the Emperor being sexist. As an individual, it's a perfectly feasible thing. However, seeing a lack of evidence (overtly presented) to support this, I don't really support it too strongly. For every argument he didn't make female SMs because of sexism, another perfectly good one states that maybe it was just physically impossible, even for him.

You do realize that the Emperor being sexist doesn't just ride on the Space Marines right? There's a lot more to him than that.

But this is more what I expected.

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean?

But still, the Emperor is a very enigmatic figure (he probably has a cloak of mysteries, riddles and enigmas himself) - I doubt we'll ever know everything about him.

 ScarletRose wrote:

They are taken from the best of the best, which being a sexually dimorphic species, would be all males.

The "best" qualification is whatever makes geneseed take to the host. There no amount of toughness or badassness that makes up for geneseed rejection. IIRC there's been explicit cases of weaker but more suitable hosts taking up the geneseed and overcoming their previous flaws. Very Capt. America in a way.

It's not unimaginable that some human populations would be better for recruitment than others and it's similarly not unimaginable (though it would be exceedingly rare) that some of those more qualified pops. would be women or include women.

No, they have trials before they receive a gene seed. Women are physically inferior to men and many many studies would agree. Double this with the fact that you need a Y chromosome to get a gene seed and I'd say women are excluded from the ranks of the Astartes.

No, they have trials before they receive a gene seed.

Yes, because this is techno-primitive grim darkness and no chapter has any idea what qualification makes for good gene seed implantation.

They're not going to bother with something like DNA sequencing when even suggesting such things is heresy and the only one who can even run a sequencer has to light incense and pray towards Mars to get it to work.

Women are physically inferior to men and many many studies would agree.

Just going to roll my eyes and move on.

Double this with the fact that you need a Y chromosome to get a gene seed and I'd say women are excluded from the ranks of the Astartes.

There's nothing that makes that a certainty. It's a backwards inference to say only men are space marines therefore only men can ever be space marines.

Only 40k players like bolters therefore only bolter likers can play 40k? The train of logic just doesn't work that way.

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I'm not advocating either way on changing the fluff aspect tbh, but I find the childish hammering on a desk about "no only men!" pretty tedious since other than keeping with the previous (and I mean all the way back to the 80s) fluff there's no actual given reason for marines to be any particular gender.

 ScarletRose wrote:

No, they have trials before they receive a gene seed.

Yes, because this is techno-primitive grim darkness and no chapter has any idea what qualification makes for good gene seed implantation.

Besides 10000 years of tradition, yes, they have absolutely no idea

They're not going to bother with something like DNA sequencing when even suggesting such things is heresy and the only one who can even run a sequencer has to light incense and pray towards Mars to get it to work.

But they will bother with whether or not their aspirants have a penis. And nowhere in the fluff does the concept of DNA fall under heresy. How would the Adeptus Mechanicum have an entire branch dedicated to biology.

Women are physically inferior to men and many many studies would agree.

Just going to roll my eyes and move on.

Compare the strongest man to the strongest woman.

Double this with the fact that you need a Y chromosome to get a gene seed and I'd say women are excluded from the ranks of the Astartes.

There's nothing that makes that a certainty. It's a backwards inference to say only men are space marines therefore only men can ever be space marines.

Having no reference of a Female Space Marine over the course of 10000 years would be enough of an inference, as well as all the fluff that states that only men can be Space Marines.

Only 40k players like bolters therefore only bolter likers can play 40k? The train of logic doesn't work that way.

That's quite the false equivalency you've got there.

I'm not advocating either way on changing the fluff aspect tbh, but I find the childish hammering on a desk about "no only men!" pretty tedious since other than keeping with the previous (and I mean all the way back to the 80s) fluff there's no actual given reason for marines to be any particular gender.

I think it's tedious to explain the fluff over and over again to prove my point when all you have to do is play semantics and virtue signal.

There were female space marines in RT times. It mostly involved rolling the opposite sex chaos gift.

Need Y zygote.

End of story.

Anyone who disagree can also start their own fluff about the 2nd and 11th legion.

 Anemone wrote:
@Lusall: Actually there are male Howling Banshees. We are told they don the same feminine armour and adopt feminine war masks (as in the persona) but they are male.

Really its just funny to me someone quitting an army because he can't tell the gender of some of his/her troops.

Is it that important?

*Shrugs* As I said though it isn't a particularly pertinent issue to me. An all male army is fine the same way an all female army is fine.

Acting as if the reasoning for it is anything more than just a decision by the creators to appeal to a certain fan base is what I don't understand.

Ah, well then I retract that statement. However, that doesn't exactly make my point null and void. In the fluff proper, there is no precedence for a female space marine. But I'll say again...40K is what you make of it. On a side note...I nearly quit Dark Angels due to the fluff changes they made to them most recently. In general, 40K writing has gone down the tube, and the recent "Wulfen" book infuriated me. Not exactly the same thing, but it's not unfair to quit an army over fluff. (Not that I would quit it over female space marines)

To your last point though, the decision to make space marines only male was, IMO, unlikely done just to appease a male audience. Sisters on the other hand...yeah, I'd say that was true. And not just male audiences but the female one too. In reality, GW is silent on the subject for exactly the reason you stated. Economics. It's in their best interest to not explain it. Because, again, if fans want female space marines, then it. But if they said "Okay, females can be space marines" or "No female space marines" they'd rustle the feathers of one group of ham fisted butter trolls or another to the point that the end times would happen weather they wanted it to or not.

Besides 10000 years of tradition, yes, they have absolutely no idea

Many cultures have traditions that have nothing to do with best medical practices.

Compare the strongest man to the strongest woman.

Or you know people might want the candidates that can withstand more G forces, survive on less food and not risk going blind in zero grav (NASA is still trying to puzzle out why that is). The actual space part of space marine maybe?

Having no reference of a Female Space Marine over the course of 10000 years would be enough of an inference, as well as all the fluff that states that only men can be Space Marines.

Any story or setting that is limited to have only what is apparent at the outset is effectively dead. There can't be any arc or development, no new or interesting challenges or concepts because that wasn't in the fluff at the beginning (OMG).

If the only things that can exist are what already exist there's nothing to keep the audience involved. It's a basic part of storytelling to have things change.

As I said I'm not partisan for either side, but I think the concept that everything that can be invented has been invented is patently wrong on it's face and worth arguing against.

virtue signal.

I guess we're done then if this going to turn into buzzwords and accusations. Nice talking with you.

The reason is simple. Original RT marines were created as monastic brotherhoods, just as the Adepta Sororitas were created as 'an order of warrior women'. When they upgraded marines from regular humans to enhanced super soldiers they simply kept that element, just as they kept things like Chapters and Fortress Monasteries. There's nothing more to it and now 25 years later they're stuck with it.

Why isn't there a beastmen marine? Transexual marine?(though the 3rd legion is pretty close) Because there isn't, simple as that. Stop these stupid questions and nag for plastic sisters of battle, I hope they never get remade, and the rumors ae just that, a rumor.

 Big Mac wrote:
Why isn't there a beastmen marine?

There are

And for some reason it isn't considered heretical, yet marines who burn in flames of pure emprah power are.

 n0t_u wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
Why isn't there a beastmen marine?

There are

And for some reason it isn't considered heretical, yet marines who burn in flames of pure emprah power are.

By the Emperor, those models are atrocious...

Those who desire strong female representation in the background (and I am one of them) are also fairly well-served by other factions in the fluff, from all flavours of Eldar to the Sisters of Battle to even the Tau. If your complaint is that they aren't represented in the "posterboy" faction, then be a part of the solution and buy more Eldar, SoB, and Tau models and stop feeding into the narrative that 40K sells because of Space Marines. God knows there are few people more ticked off than I am that GW has saddled Warhammer Fantasy with Ground Marines.

Well i can tell this thread has been progressive thus far

 Lusall wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
Why isn't there a beastmen marine?

There are

And for some reason it isn't considered heretical, yet marines who burn in flames of pure emprah power are.

By the Emperor, those models are atrocious...

Eeyup.

Also, the claim that they're "not considered heretical isn't entirely accurate. The 13th company of Wulfen is not officially sanctioned by the Imperium. They've only reappeared relatively recently (during the 13th Black Crusade) and given how close the Dark Angels have come to nuking the Space Wolves since then, I can only imagine what will happen once a puritanical Inquisitor Lord gets wind of them...

The argument I was reading was that the SM are created using geneseed and that weaker candidates would be taken if they were to be more able to take the geneseed.

Only problem with that argument is that your completely forgetting how a recruit is first taken by most chapters (usually some kind of strength/endurance trial) and then your forgetting one major flaw. Every Primarch (That we know of) is male. Your putting male Genes into a female. The male genes are so powerful that they turn regular guys into super human soldiers. So who is to say that women aren't already in the SMs but they are basically transformed into men because of how powerful the geneseed is?

There you go Feminists you can have your cake and eat it to Enjoy.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
Just once I'd like to see a thread on how we need male Sisters of Battle.

Just to mix things up.

The fluff says that's a no no, just like Female Space Marines.

Worth pointing it out that while a female space marine is impossible in the background, male sisters of battle are a result of some lawmaker that will likely never be reversed. Means male sob are more possible than the female space marines, still not getting either so the complaining should probably end.


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SemperMortis wrote:
The argument I was reading was that the SM are created using geneseed and that weaker candidates would be taken if they were to be more able to take the geneseed.

Only problem with that argument is that your completely forgetting how a recruit is first taken by most chapters (usually some kind of strength/endurance trial) and then your forgetting one major flaw. Every Primarch (That we know of) is male. Your putting male Genes into a female. The male genes are so powerful that they turn regular guys into super human soldiers. So who is to say that women aren't already in the SMs but they are basically transformed into men because of how powerful the geneseed is?

There you go Feminists you can have your cake and eat it to Enjoy.

Because it kills whoever it fails on and it says it is incompatible with females, hence any female space marine would likely be dead before the process is completed.

Einachiel wrote:
Need Y zygote.

End of story.

Anyone who disagree can also start their own fluff about the 2nd and 11th legion.

I already suggested that on the first page of this thread. It's a valid, water-proof suggestion, yet some people ignored it.

Agiel wrote:
Those who desire strong female representation in the background (and I am one of them) are also fairly well-served by other factions in the fluff, from all flavours of Eldar to the Sisters of Battle to even the Tau. If your complaint is that they aren't represented in the "posterboy" faction, then be a part of the solution and buy more Eldar, SoB, and Tau models and stop feeding into the narrative that 40K sells because of Space Marines. God knows there are few people more ticked off than I am that GW has saddled Warhammer Fantasy with Ground Marines.

You could also easily make female guardsmen. Plenty of 3rd party companies that make suitable female heads, or entire full body models.

This guy doesn't get enough praise, and I wish I could use his models for some of my projects. If you're doing a Cadian army, you could easily swap the original male head with his all-female heads, and because of the bulky armour (and oversized equipment) it would still work.*

http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/

You don't even need "boob armour", which is impractical and sexualised anyway.



*You could also use his heads to create female Space Marines.

@Tactical_Spam: Why retcon? Just make it a new development like JimSolo suggested a page back. There's no need to retcon anything. (not that retconning is necessarily bad in Warhammer 40k, there's a lot which I think could do with retconning).

Honestly I just don't get how vehemently opposed people are to the concept in a universe like 40k. Where, as said on this site often, absurdity and a lack of sense, and contradictory fluff, are very commonplace. Sure its not canonical now, never disputed that, and sure there's no pressing, urgent need to fix it or anything, but why the almost militant fear of the concept? I just don't understand it.

Also since you use a term like 'virtue signal' to attack someone else I'd rather not continue discussing with you. Cheers.

@StygianBeach: This is actually a fair point. That being said Nietzsche would abhor Space Marines and they really don't fulfill his criterion for Ubermensch status at all, but they are what I'd imagine Games Workshop would think is Ubermensch-like seeing as the writer's grasp of philosophy fails to impress at all.

@warhead01: Dependent on the planet and how humans living their have altered seeing as how differences are influenced by how circumstances and surroundings over periods of tens-of-thousands of years?

@Sgt_Smudge:

I'll believe what I might about GW's business practice, regardless what you might.

Isn't that just repeating 'if you want to believe that fine' which is what I literally said?

So, you ignore all the context of the setting and reasons to why gender matters in those armies, purely because you see it as cosmetic?

What? I simply see gender as cosmetic. And it is. The context is easily changed and, in my opinion, gender is as minor as a paint scheme and thus I don't feel opposed to differing genders and would not quite an army over differing genders the same way I don't mind people doing their own paint schemes and would be surprised if someone quit an army over paint scheme.

I mean we have a guy at my place who paints his Orks human-skin colour and it absolutely doesn't bother me at all. *shrugs* Same with gender of units.

And I have only mentioned some fluff points. I don't think I ever insinuated that ALL fluff points were accurate, according to me.

But now you're expecting me to be telepathic. You just said 'the fluff points' and so I went back and looked through the fluff points I thought you were referring to.

The Imperium, on standard of living (for the majority of citizens)
Orks, on technological control.
Tyranids, seeing as they have no electrical tech.

And yes - for their age as a race, the Tau advanced in tech VERY quickly.

That's a lot of provisos on your earlier claim which pretty much invalidates it. Also actually kind of weird that the faction who keep in official fluff being described as 'advanced' are actually the lowest-tech nation in the game.

Counter-argument: what's wrong with keeping it the same?

It gets boring? More importantly though, how do we decide when to freeze it then? What's the point at which fluff can no longer change?

But still, the Emperor is a very enigmatic figure

That's more what I expected.

@Lusall: Not saying its ' unfair' to quit an army over fluff, I just said I'd find it strange if someone quite over something like gender (which I feel to be superfluous)

Also 'no female space marines' would not generate a strong counter reaction, not from the Warhammer fanbase at all, it's not such a fanbase. The counter-claim 'there are female Space Marines' would cause a storm though. Just read /tg/. Other than that I find it surprising that you think Space Marines were created then for some sort of 'idealistic' reason rather than simple economics. Clearly I'm too jaded.

@Kojiro: Yeah, I agree, this is a believable explanation to me.

@Agiel: Though I like what you are saying, and agree with a lot of it, I'm afraid I've just given up any hope of their being any meaningful change in that regard ever. Sorry. Space Marines are all that really matters in 40k and that is never going to change.

@Lord Kragan: I really hope that was all meant as a joke.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
Just once I'd like to see a thread on how we need male Sisters of Battle.

Just to mix things up.

Well given the Lore states they aren't allowed 'men under arms' I can see an inventive way around that, maybe with one of those big chainsaw wotsits the priests have

The Fraterus Militia or something along those lines. There's your ill-equipped and untrained military branch of the Adeptus Ministorum. They also go by Redemptionists. Due to the Decree Passive, they will not be receiving power armour like the SoB anytime soon

On the flip side, one can make their own formation following the same rules and fluff. As we have had rebellions and schisms a'plenty they could arise during the time (or indeed be part of a rebellious faction during that time period).
Even better, one could make chaos nuns.

Another thought- Women SPazz Marinse could be an adeptus experiment. They don't even have to be marines, just gals in very advanced power armor that have the same stats. They could even be a new heavy unit of the Nuns with Guns. Nuns with Guns 2.0 with their prayers accounting for any special powers the marines may have, or alternatively special drugs like assassins have. They don't have Spazz Marise Jeans but they're armor, prayers, and combat drugs make up for it. PLus - unlike marines- they won't rebel.
An alternative is the above but substitute nuns with Guns 2.0 make it a heavy combat unit from planet Chola Maxima. Tradition limits this combat group to women just because.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Lusall wrote:
[Well there's precedence for their being female Tau/Guardsmen/Eldar/Dark Eldar etc. in the fluff. There is none for male Banshees or female space marines. I imagine that was by design. Indeed, I'm sure the SoB were created because someone went "Hey, how about female space marines?"

But yeah, I think we're in agreement that it's silly for people to blow a gasket over it. 40K is a lot like DnD, or Burger King. You can have it your way, even if your way infuriates (for some reason) someone else.

Only that THERE'S precent of male banshees. They are called drag-queens by their kin because they crossdress.

You missed the part where I rescinded that statement. Still doesn't change the other points there though.

 Anemone wrote:

@Lusall: Not saying its ' unfair' to quit an army over fluff, I just said I'd find it strange if someone quite over something like gender (which I feel to be superfluous)

Also 'no female space marines' would not generate a strong counter reaction, not from the Warhammer fanbase at all, it's not such a fanbase. The counter-claim 'there are female Space Marines' would cause a storm though. Just read /tg/. Other than that I find it surprising that you think Space Marines were created then for some sort of 'idealistic' reason rather than simple economics. Clearly I'm too jaded.

Well, without being a jerk I'll simply accept that last statement for what it's worth. I really think you are, and I don't mean that to be rude. I really doubt that they created space marines "male only" as a slight to feminism and women or even for just economic reasons. I'd bet 10 bucks (because that's what I have on me) that wasn't the case. On the other hand, Sisters of Battle were created/introduced because people mentioned that there were no female space marines. Or that they wanted those old female rogue trader marines back.

 fallinq wrote:

Eeyup.

Also, the claim that they're "not considered heretical isn't entirely accurate. The 13th company of Wulfen is not officially sanctioned by the Imperium. They've only reappeared relatively recently (during the 13th Black Crusade) and given how close the Dark Angels have come to nuking the Space Wolves since then, I can only imagine what will happen once a puritanical Inquisitor Lord gets wind of them...

Still sour about that. I hated the fluff in Wulfen. They're making the Dark Angels out to be puppets of Chaos and the way it's written makes the Dark Angels out to be dolts. And I was a fan of the EoT campaign back in the early ought's. Not sure why they feel the need to change it.

@Lusall: You really aren't being rude, so don't worry about it. I still disagree with what you're saying, but I don't think you're being rude at all.

Also I never said Space Marines were created as a slight against women. I'm not sure where you got that idea, I said they were created, like all armies, by economic factors primarily (not solely). Part of those economic factors was the appeal to the certain target male audience who would dislike the presence of females among their traditionally masculine 'male-archetype' warriors.

Troy wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
Just once I'd like to see a thread on how we need male Sisters of Battle.

Just to mix things up.

Well given the Lore states they aren't allowed 'men under arms' I can see an inventive way around that, maybe with one of those big chainsaw wotsits the priests have

The Fraterus Militia or something along those lines. There's your ill-equipped and untrained military branch of the Adeptus Ministorum. They also go by Redemptionists. Due to the Decree Passive, they will not be receiving power armour like the SoB anytime soon

On the flip side, one can make their own formation following the same rules and fluff. As we have had rebellions and schisms a'plenty they could arise during the time (or indeed be part of a rebellious faction during that time period).
Even better, one could make chaos nuns.

The Sororitas don't go Chaos. They are like the World Eaters are to Khorne or the Death Guard to Nurgle, they don't turn their back on the Emperor.

Another thought- Women SPazz Marinse could be an adeptus experiment. They don't even have to be marines, just gals in very advanced power armor that have the same stats. They could even be a new heavy unit of the Nuns with Guns. Nuns with Guns 2.0 with their prayers accounting for any special powers the marines may have, or alternatively special drugs like assassins have. They don't have Spazz Marise Jeans but they're armor, prayers, and combat drugs make up for it. PLus - unlike marines- they won't rebel.
An alternative is the above but substitute nuns with Guns 2.0 make it a heavy combat unit from planet Chola Maxima. Tradition limits this combat group to women just because.

Now what I can see, is Nun-turians (Your basic SoB in teddy bear armour). But we'll have to see what GW throws out to the masses.