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 hordrak wrote:
No matter who is correct, this issue will come up only at very large games and they are rather rare, so the SW will most likely run the same 2-3HQs, as the other legions.
Changing the topic a little bit - what's the general opinion on frost weapons? good choice or overpriced?

Sword is just outright worse than the Claw.

Axe looks cool until you realise it costs the same as a power fist or more and is outright worse.

Claw is okay if you wanted lighting claws .... Otherwise it's the best option to swap to on Varagyr to give them a bonus Attack.

Great frost blade is not bad it's a death Guard scythe with Master crafted but limited on who can take it. While it costs a lot I think it may be okay just to try kill some 2+ saves before unwieldy weapons strike.

Varagyr with Great frost blades seem pretty awesome. Is a squad of 5 or 6 crazy expensive? I am getting the impression they are a lot of points from interweb chatter.

Also, are full squads of Grey Slayers with bolters too expensive compared to a similarly kitted 20 man tac squad with extra CCWs?

 More Dakka wrote:
Varagyr with Great frost blades seem pretty awesome. Is a squad of 5 or 6 crazy expensive? I am getting the impression they are a lot of points from interweb chatter.

Varagyr can't take Great Frost Blades

Also, are full squads of Grey Slayers with bolters too expensive compared to a similarly kitted 20 man tac squad with extra CCWs?

They cost the same.

Oh they can't just choose any frost-weapon from the list. that's OK I guess.

At least Grey Slayers are in line then, been really enjoying 20 man blobs of marines. My IW don't take Apothacaries anyways, so not real issue there.

They only get the choice of the Axe, Blade and Claw.

You can have an Apoth in the Slayers would work if you just fire a pistol or Assault weapon. SoL on running and charging with him there though.

Yeah, thinking just running Grey Slayers alone seems fine, being able to run and charge, gaining +1WS and +1 run move and FC AND re-roll charges once per game with the Bloodied Claw ROW is pretty nasty.

Then they have counter attack if you want to act like Grey Hunters to boot.

And the +1 to run from their LA rules effectively candles out the -1 from Shooting/Running then charging.

One thing that might work (have to check that). The apothecary joins the unit, stays in the middle, but neither makes running moves nor shoots. The slayers themselves may run/shoot, but since the apothecary has neither run nor shot the unit may still charge after performing thouse actions. It all depends on wether running is an action that a unit, or a model makes, so weather the apothecary had to run with the slayers or may not run.

Entire unit runs. Even if he stays stlll he counts as running

tneva82 wrote:
Entire unit runs. Even if he stays stlll he counts as running

Damn. Then it only works when shooting.

Played a large 3v2 last night with a couple guys running their first games with 1kSons/Space Wolves.

There were 60 grey slayers on the table (one of those groups was in a Spartan), and it was ridiculous how awesome they did. One squad by itself wiped out half of a guy's army. Burying power fists and weapons in there is ridiculously effective. Makes me hope they change my poor Sons of Horus Reaver squads into something like this.