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Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Fimir are a FW faction, until that changes they're not happening.
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I go to very great pains to establish the fact that I know they aren't coming, and wish list them anyway. Don't mistake my desire for a delusion of hope.

I've got a job of crushing dreams, it's important to me...

Plus it's important to establish that for anyone who casually might just be following the thread and thinking "Wait who are Fimir?".

 Insane Ivan wrote:

I think the problem with Destruction is that is “just” Orruks, Grots and Ogors, so with Orruks and Grots now “covered”, and Ogors seeming unlikely (at least to me), I don’t see another Destruction band happening soon. Happy to be wrong, though.

Destruction has 12 'factions' within it. They can be broken down into Orruks, Grots, Ogors, Troggoths, and Gargants.
Orruks are broken into three factions--Ironjawz(which we've gotten), Bonesplitters, and Greenskinz.
Grots are Gitmobs, Spiderfangs, and Moonclan(which we look to be getting)
Ogors are Firebellies, Beastclaw Raiders, Maneaters, and Gutbusters.
Troggoths are just that.
Gargants are also just Giants.

There's a lot of room for additional Destruction factions, they just might be weirdly done or 'combined'. It's looking like Moonclan will have a Troggoth in their faction.

I’d be really surprised if we do not get any Elves this time. I’d also love Freeguild and Kharadrons, but they’re both not very magic-focused and might get us too many Order factions, so at least both seems unlikely.

Freeguild is in an interesting situation and I expect them to be getting a "Free Peoples" book instead of "Freeguild". It would bring them, Collegiate Arcanum, Devoted of Sigmar, and the human side of Ironweld Arsenal into one spot potentially.

Really hoping we don’t get Nurgle and not a big fan of Slaanesh either - Darkoath would be cool, though. Hopefully we’ll know when people get their hands on the new rulebook.

I'm expecting Slaanesh. We had a mention of a Mirror since the same timeframe as us finding out about the Briar Queen so they've seeded past incidents with previews.

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

And yet, 3-3-1-1.

Nurgle has not had ANYTHING to do with Shadespire. At all. The product label is "Warhammer Underworlds", but we're still in Shadespire with the Nightvault. Slaanesh and Tzeentch both have explicitly been called out as doing things surrounding Shadespire. Tzeentch's forces are there looking for magical artefacts and Slaanesh are there following the trail to Slaanesh.

 Thargrim wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

Kharadrons were mentioned as being in shadespire some time ago, forgot which book that was in though.

Malign Portents, they found a mirror "containing an excessively vain soul". The airship that found it never made it back to the Skyport.

Sunny Side Up wrote:So what. If they have Nurgle miniatures for it, they'll just "these random nurgle guys ran into a weird portal and got stuck in Shadespire too .. the end"

GW makes models and than get's the low-tier guys in the company that nobody sits with during coffee break because it's bad for your career to write some fluff to go along with the miniatures, not the other way around.

And yet they had reasons for all of the original warbands to be there that weren't what you were describing...

Stormsires Cursebreakers Faction Focus Up
Spoiler has the card images


Guys. Guys. We get Scatter Templates!

 Binabik15 wrote:

Or more SC. If those at least had interesting poses, like bashibg someone over thw head with the staff in a double handed grip or anything. Stormsire is cool, the two others are Blandy McBlsndface and her vanilla brother.

I hope the 4 other factions are more like the gobbos with new stuff compared to current ranges.

The Stormcast are Evocators, the Sacrosanct equivalent to Paladins. Their whole fighting style is either a two handed Grandstave(none of them feature it here) or the stave+sword as paired weapons(fluff is that they generate lightning arcs between the two weapons to deflect incoming ranged attacks and to deal damage to more enemies).

 RiTides wrote:
Folks have been speculating about the troll maybe being its own thing - but for the flying squig, it's always possible that it's part of this warband, just not shown on the box (since some of the other large warbands have models not shown, too). It must take up hardly any sprue space!

The troll and squig were also revealed at separate times and not connected by GW, just by all us fans

I'm actually thinking that what we've been calling a Troggoth might be the first case of an "Inspired" model and it's the Wizard leader gone Fungus Hulk.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Could be there's a reinforcement mechanic?

Once a Goblin moves out of the starting spots you can add another band member or once one is killed put another on once of the spots

It might just be that the Goblins have the Squigs on their bases.

And all armies revealed!



Order:
Sylvaneth
Kharadron Overlords(!)

Destruction:
Fungus Troggoths(!)
Moonclan

Chaos:
Slaves to Darkness/Darkoath
Tzeentch Arcanites

Chopstick wrote:
Holy crab that's a female Kairic Acolyte.

I don't think so...

The Sylvaneth, Darkoath, and Arcanites all have what look suspiciously like characters in their midst.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Nice. This'll be a definite buy of each war band. I wonder who the damsel esque looking woman/Aelf (I am seeing pointed ears, aren't I?) with the Sylvaneth is?

Well, she's a spellcaster that's for sure. And the Sylvaneth do have pointed ears and hair on the Tree-Revenants.

I'm leaning towards a new caster type for them that's focused on the Tree-Revenants.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Oh indeed, they have pointed ears. But I mean, she's a lot more Aelvish than Treeish. As far as I'm aware, only Alarielle looks like that normally. So, who is this I wonder?

My first thought was a more elfish looking Branchwych. But I think the Sylvaneth band could be a preview for new Revenant styled models as they currently don't have a bow option either. So she's probably a new Revenant character or unit leader type.

I don't think it would be a unit leader type, but I do think you're on the money for a new Revenant character.

My hope is that the entirety of the Sylvaneth Warband will be actual characters for the Sylvaneth army rather than a unit.

 RiTides wrote:
The season 1 starter had a lot of very helpful generic cards, so I expect season 2 will be similar. It's definitely going to be a useful purchase!

I'm expecting the season 1 starter cards to be placed into the respective sets. That's a Good and Bad thing--if you want the stuff from season 1 starter, grab it now.

You're looking at $95ish for the components separately not counting the markers+tokens vs $60 for the box.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Serious question as I've never paid attention to this line before:

A friend is interested in buying the new starter and the new Goblin warband. Is that enough for two people to play or does everyone need a starter? Will there be a shortage of generic cards with just the one set?

Yes, it will be enough and no you won't have a shortage of generic cards with just the one set. It gives duplicates of the generic cards in the main starter, but the Goblin warband will have generic cards that will only be available within that set.

Also there's new versions of some of the original Shadespire generic cards in the main set, but it looks like most will be in the Steelheart's Liberators and Garrek's Reavers sets if those get released separately.

 Thargrim wrote:
I heard the grot warband also has 3 bow grots. That seems like a pretty big warband. That would be over 7 models. Maybe in the setup the squigs are placed on hexes adjacent to the armored herding grot?

Regardless i'm ready for them to unveil the full models for the grots/tzeentch. Last year when the shadespire box launched they had already full revealed the first expansions. Not sure why they haven't shown them off yet as they will probably release in november or something.

I was looking at the KO thunderer and based on the gun handle it looks like a regular aethershot rifle so nothing too wild in terms of his weapon. The kharadrons are the warband i've been looking forward to the most but with my luck they will be the last one to release next year.

In Shadespire, they actually had all the factions named and talked about in the main box's rulebook.

That is not the case in Nightvault.

 Thargrim wrote:

Yeah and this kinda bugs me cause it means only 2 of the warbands get a lore section. The book is light on lore anyways and since they revealed all the warbands in that video I don't understand why they wouldn't just give some attention to the other warbands in the rulebook as well. It's not like they were trying to keep some kind of big secret on which factions get a warband. They made some odd decisions regarding this.

I think they actually were planning on keeping it a secret. Remember that the video came after the leaked images of the Moonclan and Tzeentch and rumors started circulating over the Troll being part of Moonclan and it being a 9 model set, etc.

I'm thinking that the boxed sets are going to include a lore booklet for the faction and their AoS proper rules in a physical format. It's just a hunch at this point, but it feels like it might be something.

The Squig-Herder looks like it's based off concept art from Warhammer Online.

That's a Very Good Thing!

 JonWebb wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Oh wow, that is great! I've been looking for a small case for this game

Am I just missing the release date in that pic / is the release date for it known?

According to the page (I got Oct WD today if its not clear) its available now... so this weekend?

Everything apart from the case and the Echoes of Glory card pack seem to have gone up for pre-order, so guessing some stuff either slipped, or its getting spread out a little more.

Echoes of Glory goes up this weekend.

 Necros wrote:
So, I wanna collect all of the older Shadespire stuff first and then get Nightvault afterwards. Checking on Amazon, I can get the starter set plus Magore's Fiends, Ironskull Boys, Farstriders, Chosen Axes, Sepulture Guard and Spiteclaw's Swarm for around $200. Are there any other gangs or other things I really need too? I saw there was some kind of hero deck, but I figured that might be obsolete with nightvault out now?

Mostly just want to have all of the gangs so I have an excuse to paint minis from armies I'll never own, and for variety for friends that wanna play and don't have their own

The Leader set has a few cards for each of the Shadespire warbands plus some Ploys/Upgrades and Objective Cards that are Leader specific.

It was surprisingly worthwhile IMO.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Seriously, the horror keeps upgrades even if killed and resummoned?

I think the wording is to reflect FAQs--pretty sure they addressed the Skaven and Sepulchral Guard as getting the same.

YES! STAB 'EM IN THE KNEEEEEEEEEE!

Warband Focus Moonclan

It's interesting that Drizgit the Squig Herder gets called out specifically as such.

I'm really hoping that we'll see plastic Squig Herders get released.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I want to get into Shadespire- Gonlins and Nighthaunts sold it to me.
But can I get into it by just buying season 2 two player box and skipping season 1 (khorne vs sigmarines)?

Yes. Although if you want the boards from season 1 for variety, you're better off grabbing the Shadespire box as well as Nightvault. It's $30 or so per warband and $35 for the boards themselves.

Good lord those goblins are YELLOW.

Chopstick wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Wow, that is certainly...out there. IMO the troll is the weakest model, as is the mushrooms look a bit too artificially placed. A few roots, dirt heaps, insects and moss growths would go a long way, I think. Or go a different direction and have tidy rows of cultivated mushrooms cultivated by enterprising - and long since eaten - cave gobbos. His club is a bit silly looking as well.

But those squigs/thingies

Troggoth in art - angry and aggressive.
Troggoth mini : your timid, friendly neighbourhood Troggoth

Talk about pulling a 180.

If all he wants is a nap, I think the mini is closer. Can relate to the Troggoth.

Schmapdi wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
The game’s starting to feel too big to me. So dang many cards, still growing, and an ever increasing errata document.

Have to say - I got my first Warband (Zarbags gits) and it did come with an intimidating amount of cards. I'm assuming there's a fair bit of overlap in all the generic cards though?

Depends exactly on what you're asking?

In my experience, there isn't a whole lot of overlap--the boxes are setup to provide additional cards from what comes in the Core set.

For those interested, Mollog is in the Gloomspite Gitz book as well.

He's "the eldest Dankhold Troggboss" apparently.

Booo! We never got a Farstrider set as far as I can recall

Also...that's not Mollog's Mob or the Godsworn Hunt.

It's the Eyes of the Nine(the Tzeentch warband) and Zarbag's Gits.

 porkuslime wrote:
So, these are "undead elf spirits" then? I was actually expecting something closer to Wildwood Rangers or Glade Guard or some such

Um...yeah, that's kind of the whole thing with Sylvaneth?

They're not so much "undead elf spirits" as they are Alarielle's "portion" of the Aelf souls recovered from Slaanesh. Like how Morathi made the Khinerai and Melusai, she's made the Tree-Revenants.

 porkuslime wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
So, these are "undead elf spirits" then? I was actually expecting something closer to Wildwood Rangers or Glade Guard or some such

Um...yeah, that's kind of the whole thing with Sylvaneth?

They're not so much "undead elf spirits" as they are Alarielle's "portion" of the Aelf souls recovered from Slaanesh. Like how Morathi made the Khinerai and Melusai, she's made the Tree-Revenants.

well, I have not been deep into WHFB Elves since way back when, so I had been thinking that Sylvaneth was "GW-speak" to protect copyright etc.. I did not realize the design was as divergent as this. My own fault, I guess, of asking before researching.

I'm sorry if I came across as a bit rude.

Brief rundown for you:
Sylvaneth are the Tree-Spirits, under Alarielle. She's rescued Aelf souls alongside of Morathi, Malerion, Teclis, and Tyrion and they've each been 'allotted' effectively a certain amount of the souls rescued from Slaanesh's crazy End Timesgiving bender. Each of the 'gods' has been effectively 'creating' new Aelf life.
She seemingly created the Tree-Revenants to give new bodies to Aelf souls.
Morathi created the Melusai(the Medusa units) and Khinerai(harpies) with her allotted souls.
Teclis created an early 'experiment' and that gave us the Idoneth.
Malerion has created life--we haven't seen it really showcased (yet). Tentatively referred to, early on, as "Shadowkin".
Tyrion has created life--we haven't seen it yet.

Then you have the 'remnants'.
Wood Elves became the Wanderers. They no longer have any 'Forest Spirit' units with them--and lost a bit of their luster from the units they lost(Wardancers, Scouts, Glade Riders, Warhawk Riders and Great Eagles) or had changed(Waywatchers were changed from a unit to a Hero choice and it's not awful but it's not great).

Dark Elves split into multiple factions:
Darkling Covens is where the Sorcereresses, Executioners, Black Guard, and the Warriors ended up.
Scourge Privateers got the Beastmaster Chariot with ballista, Kharibdyss, Corsairs, and Fleetmasters.
Shadowblades is a two unit faction(for now) that consists of Dark Riders and Assassins.
Ordo Serpentis is the Drakespawn(Cold Ones) Chariots, Knights, Black Dragon riding Dreadlords, and the War Hydra.
Daughters of Khaine is the Witch Elves and Morathi's personal faction now.

High Elves split into:
Phoenix Temple is the Phoenix Guard and Phoenixes.
Swifthawk Agents is Shadow Warriors, Skycutter Chariots, Spireguard(Lothern Sea Guard--models are discontinued though which is just naff), and the horse drawn chariots.
Lion Rangers are the White Lions and Lion Chariots.
Ordo Draconis are the Dragon Princes, Dragon Mages, and Dragon Lords whether on horse or dragon.
Eldritch Council are Swordmasters, Loremasters, and Archmages.

Hope that helps a bit!

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I don't get what makes it "aimed at new players". Looks just like Shadespire, except with extra rules for hazards. Maybe it leaves out the deck building element and only contains set decks for the two factions?

I'm guessing it's in response to Gambit Spells being a bit more of a complex element(at least from feedback they've gotten).