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 JonWebb wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Oh wow, that is great! I've been looking for a small case for this game

Am I just missing the release date in that pic / is the release date for it known?

According to the page (I got Oct WD today if its not clear) its available now... so this weekend?

Everything apart from the case and the Echoes of Glory card pack seem to have gone up for pre-order, so guessing some stuff either slipped, or its getting spread out a little more.

Echoes of Glory goes up this weekend.

Assuming/hoping the answer is yes, but, is Nightvault fully compatible with Shadespire and vise versa? Can you bring gangs from one game into the other. Is it better to try and buy the original Sladespire + those gangs + Nightvault? Or does Nightvault's rules & cards replace what's in Shadespire as a season 2 kind of thing?

Nightvault rules are Shadespire rules but with the FAQs and errata taken into account, plus the Magic and Scatter additions.
Some of the original Shadespire cards were updated too, but they are available separately in a self-contained deck and/or as part of the re-released original ‘core’ warbands.

All the old warbands are fully compatible and there are cards specifically set up to help magicless warbands against magic-heavy ones, like countermagic gambits and upgrades, and wizard-hunting objectives.
Not that a warband with wizards can’t have those, but if you take them and run into a magic-free warband, you’re probably going to regret not having more spells.
Also, it should be taken into account that magic is risky in the mirrored city, and is subject to outright failure or actually injuring/killing the caster.

I've decided to dip my toes in with the new season, but that also means having to go and get the older expansions to get all the cards.

Concerning magic, it doesn't even seem like all the new warbands will have access to it - I can't imagine the Kharadon or Monster warbands with wizards.

Images from White Dwarf:

Okay, that objective for the Goblins is both hilarious and AWESOME.

Say what you will about GW rules and fluff,, but someone there knows how to keep Orcs/Orks/Goblin/Grot content funny. One of my favorite rules I've ever read in a GW book was the Angry Grot rule from Shadow War: Armageddon. When hiring the runtherder + grots, and rolling the D6 to determine how many grots you got, a result of 1 gave you a "particularly mean" grot with +1 attack.

Like these new warbands, bar the fanatic who is a total disaster

Why?

Yeah, I agree streetsamurai - I've seen a lot of positive reactions to it, but imo the pose is too outlandish. I would've preferred him to look like the squigs, who are all business and a bit more neutrally posed. The concept of a fanatic is already crazy enough, have him swinging that ball and chain!

I think the reason for the fanatic is they wanted to try and keep the model as contained to the base as possible so it doesn’t potentially interfere with the other models around it? I mean if that is your mission statement then there is only so much I imagine you can do when it comes to trying to make that ball and chain looney work x).

It was probably to save sprue space, it is the largest warband after all.

And save the model from being broken apart from fiddling chain.

You should expect GW making model not posed the way you wanted. Look at the male Kairic acolyte, what is he even doing?

Casting a spell, probably.

Given the fiddly undead, especially the Briar Queen, I'm pretty sure it's not to keep it from breaking

Sprue space or containment on the base make sense... just a bummer, I'd love to see him orbiting the ball like you'd picture, especially if he uses the scatter template!

 RiTides wrote:
Given the fiddly undead, especially the Briar Queen, I'm pretty sure it's not to keep it from breaking

Sprue space or containment on the base make sense... just a bummer, I'd love to see him orbiting the ball like you'd picture, especially if he uses the scatter template!

How fiddly is the briar Queen? I was going to build them tonight with my other half, but if they are fiddly, I might swap and put those together instead.

Like a lot of the Nighthaunts, she's attached to her base by a little bit of plastic, and she's got a looping strand of rose vines coming out of her outstretched arm.

I took the model and looped the vine back in around itself and then used plastic cement to glue the whole thing together, which gives it a little more structural integrity.

So, I wanna collect all of the older Shadespire stuff first and then get Nightvault afterwards. Checking on Amazon, I can get the starter set plus Magore's Fiends, Ironskull Boys, Farstriders, Chosen Axes, Sepulture Guard and Spiteclaw's Swarm for around $200. Are there any other gangs or other things I really need too? I saw there was some kind of hero deck, but I figured that might be obsolete with nightvault out now?

Mostly just want to have all of the gangs so I have an excuse to paint minis from armies I'll never own, and for variety for friends that wanna play and don't have their own

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It was probably to save sprue space, it is the largest warband after all.

Very much this. Shadespire is pretty specific about its sprue limitations AND has the bases on the sprue. He's very much trying to be made for minimal parts to take up as little space as possible.

No, that's all the war bands. Should be 8 total including the starter. There's nothing else you really need, as all the war bands should give you a complete set of season 1 cards. There's extras you can get like the war band themed dice, themed sleeves etc, but nothing else you have to get I believe.

 Necros wrote:
So, I wanna collect all of the older Shadespire stuff first and then get Nightvault afterwards. Checking on Amazon, I can get the starter set plus Magore's Fiends, Ironskull Boys, Farstriders, Chosen Axes, Sepulture Guard and Spiteclaw's Swarm for around $200. Are there any other gangs or other things I really need too? I saw there was some kind of hero deck, but I figured that might be obsolete with nightvault out now?

Mostly just want to have all of the gangs so I have an excuse to paint minis from armies I'll never own, and for variety for friends that wanna play and don't have their own

Nope, you've got it.

There's a Leader deck, but from what I can tell it was pretty "Meh" in terms of overall use. Then again, those cards might have some synergies with the upcoming releases.

 Necros wrote:
So, I wanna collect all of the older Shadespire stuff first and then get Nightvault afterwards. Checking on Amazon, I can get the starter set plus Magore's Fiends, Ironskull Boys, Farstriders, Chosen Axes, Sepulture Guard and Spiteclaw's Swarm for around $200. Are there any other gangs or other things I really need too? I saw there was some kind of hero deck, but I figured that might be obsolete with nightvault out now?

Mostly just want to have all of the gangs so I have an excuse to paint minis from armies I'll never own, and for variety for friends that wanna play and don't have their own

The Leader set has a few cards for each of the Shadespire warbands plus some Ploys/Upgrades and Objective Cards that are Leader specific.

It was surprisingly worthwhile IMO.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/02/2nd-oct-warband-focus-eyes-of-the-ninegw-homepage-post-4/

Ok, so, question: can you upgrade a fighter that isn’t on the board (yet)?

Cool.. added in the Leader deck too. Once I get these guys all built and stuff I'll probably invest in the newer nightvault things.. maybe I'll wait and see what kinda black friday sales we get.

Seriously, the horror keeps upgrades even if killed and resummoned?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Seriously, the horror keeps upgrades even if killed and resummoned?

I think the wording is to reflect FAQs--pretty sure they addressed the Skaven and Sepulchral Guard as getting the same.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Seriously, the horror keeps upgrades even if killed and resummoned?

I think the wording is to reflect FAQs--pretty sure they addressed the Skaven and Sepulchral Guard as getting the same.

And thanks to the updated rules in the Nightvault rulesbook, move/charge tokens are removed from fighters that die, so you can have an upgraded fighter charge in, then die, and then be resummoned with all its upgrades and ready to move or charge again.

Infinite_array, are you sure about that? That would be a significant change and really boost Skaven and Sepulchral Guard, imo (although the latter need a boost ).

 RiTides wrote:
Infinite_array, are you sure about that? That would be a significant change and really boost Skaven and Sepulchral Guard, imo (although the latter need a boost ).

It's a change they specifically called out as a buff for Sepulchral Guard in the recent article about how the new version updates the existing stuff.

LunarSol wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Infinite_array, are you sure about that? That would be a significant change and really boost Skaven and Sepulchral Guard, imo (although the latter need a boost ).

It's a change they specifically called out as a buff for Sepulchral Guard in the recent article about how the new version updates the existing stuff.

This article, to be exact. Though as I never had the original version, I don’t know what exactly changed.