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2024/10/29 18:32:38
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2024/10/29 21:21:04
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Am I the only one constantly reading this as Underworlds Ehrmagerd?
Nehr yehr nawht.
I haven't played Undercry before, but I'm considering getting this one just for the Skaven. I would love to make that mini-doomwheel a secret weapon for Blood Bowl.
How long does it take for the teams to come out separately? I've really got no interest in the Stormcast.
F - is the Fire that rains from the skies.
U - for Uranium Bomb!
N - is for No Survivors...
2024/10/29 21:30:43
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Am I the only one constantly reading this as Underworlds Ehrmagerd?
Nehr yehr nawht.
I haven't played Undercry before, but I'm considering getting this one just for the Skaven. I would love to make that mini-doomwheel a secret weapon for Blood Bowl.
How long does it take for the teams to come out separately? I've really got no interest in the Stormcast.
This is the starter set. It's not going to get split down until a new one comes out. And they've stated this is the only starter that's coming for this edition.
2024/10/30 01:50:57
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Am I the only one constantly reading this as Underworlds Ehrmagerd?
Nehr yehr nawht.
I haven't played Undercry before, but I'm considering getting this one just for the Skaven. I would love to make that mini-doomwheel a secret weapon for Blood Bowl.
How long does it take for the teams to come out separately? I've really got no interest in the Stormcast.
This is the starter set. It's not going to get split down until a new one comes out. And they've stated this is the only starter that's coming for this edition.
D'oh.
F - is the Fire that rains from the skies.
U - for Uranium Bomb!
N - is for No Survivors...
2024/10/30 10:50:01
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: This is the starter set. It's not going to get split down until a new one comes out. And they've stated this is the only starter that's coming for this edition.
That takes away any thought of which board to use, as there is now only 1 board for both sides to use (and on the back too?).
Also, this being only starter set for this edition, that means the rules should not change as much as they did before. New trap tiles and whatnot appearing every set, etc.
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Are the dice the same? I know the crits work differently but is it all the same probability and symbols on the dice? I know premium dice were a big thing the last edition (first few seasons had specific dice for each warband, latterly it was one set for each grand alliance).
2024/11/01 14:59:44
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
deano2099 wrote: Are the dice the same? I know the crits work differently but is it all the same probability and symbols on the dice? I know premium dice were a big thing the last edition (first few seasons had specific dice for each warband, latterly it was one set for each grand alliance).
Other warbands will get digital rules and "many" of them will be rereleased with physical cards "in due course"
There will also likely be some that won't be rereleased for Underworlds but get their models released as a new AoS unit as we already saw for two with the Skaven/Stormcast Battletomes
2024/11/07 08:22:41
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Other warbands will get digital rules and "many" of them will be rereleased with physical cards "in due course"
There will also likely be some that won't be rereleased for Underworlds but get their models released as a new AoS unit as we already saw for two with the Skaven/Stormcast Battletomes
None of them are the one I wanted. Typical haha.
2024/11/11 13:07:10
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Also of note: "Many of these warbands will return later in the edition in a similar manner to the four Grand Alliance boxes, granting them their own warscroll and updated fighter cards. At this point, you can expect some other warbands to rotate out of the Organised Play formats as these new ones replace them – we’ll have more on that in future!"
2024/11/11 13:20:17
Subject: Re:Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Wow, I really wasn't paying enough attention to this. $100 for the starter set??? Weren't they half that previously? That's a ridiculous price for what they're selling.
2024/11/11 13:53:48
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Scottywan82 wrote: Wow, I really wasn't paying enough attention to this. $100 for the starter set??? Weren't they half that previously? That's a ridiculous price for what they're selling.
I think three things happened
1) Pandemic and global price rises on everything
2) GW normal price rises over time
3) GW shifted the market focus from an outreach to a core market product
The last one I think is a big reason the prices shifted. This went from a product that was originally made to draw new people in; to one that is now designed to serve GW's core established market. You don't need to deep discount a core market product because people are already into the game.
straken619 wrote: For the old warbands we don't even get bespoke abilities? Just 2 per Alliance?
As far as I can see there are three different categories for the old warbands: There are those that get physical rereleases from this article that should get their rules through the cardpack in the same article (not sure if those rules will also be available online) There are those that don't get physical rereleases yet but should get them in the future and have full rules in the download section right now. And then there are those that only get the generic Grand Alliance rules from this document. And since the Plaguepack and Stormcoven are part of this category these might be prime candidates for getting AoS units. Not everybody since the other Stormcast warbands didn't get a unit entry but any future ones are more likely to come from this list than the other categories with full rules
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2024/11/11 17:18:19
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Scottywan82 wrote: Wow, I really wasn't paying enough attention to this. $100 for the starter set??? Weren't they half that previously? That's a ridiculous price for what they're selling.
I think three things happened
1) Pandemic and global price rises on everything
2) GW normal price rises over time
3) GW shifted the market focus from an outreach to a core market product
The last one I think is a big reason the prices shifted. This went from a product that was originally made to draw new people in; to one that is now designed to serve GW's core established market. You don't need to deep discount a core market product because people are already into the game.
Then I think they have seriously misjudged the space this occupied for customers. I obviously can't speak for all players, but I know my local group diminished significantly as the prices per warband crept up.
$100 for a starter is a hefty barrier to entry, even for existing players since they would need the new box to actually play this version of the game. Add that to the two warbands that people may not even want, and it feels less like moving to a core product and more like price gouging. Either way, I don't think this will have the successful launch they are hoping for.
2024/11/11 17:25:57
Subject: Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151
Personally I agree, esp when Kickstarters regularly push out VERY chunky box content for the same price mark which then go on to be affordable new games in the market.
Underworlds big charm at launch was being quick to get into with pushfit coloured plastic models and being very cheap. It competed well with boxed games to sell to new people and as a nice light game for regular fans.
The steady rise in price to a very expensive boxed set I feel has shifted its value to where its no longer keeping up with the boxed-game market in value.
I think it will still work; but perhaps not as market reaching as it could have been.
Of course with GW production constantly under pressure to keep stocks up who knows - perhaps GW is prepared to gouge prices for now because they can't keep up with demand on any front. So they don't want a massive seller and are happy for slower sales at higher prices until such time as production capacity can catch up