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A lot of characters with powerfists?

If a flyer ends it's movement within 3" of a char you get to pummel it for 2 rounds without even assaulting.

Spoletta wrote:
A lot of characters with powerfists?

If a flyer ends it's movement within 3" of a char you get to pummel it for 2 rounds without even assaulting.

What and how?

 Desubot wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
A lot of characters with powerfists?

If a flyer ends it's movement within 3" of a char you get to pummel it for 2 rounds without even assaulting.

What and how?

It has to end a charge move within 3". Spoletta is mistaken.

Spoletta wrote:
A lot of characters with powerfists?

If a flyer ends it's movement within 3" of a char you get to pummel it for 2 rounds without even assaulting.

Are you talking about heroic intervention? That only happens when a unit within 3" of your character is charged.

No, it happens when at the end of the charges he has a model within 3" of a char. No need to charge.

Spoletta wrote:
No, it happens when at the end of the charges he has a model within 3" of a char. No need to charge.

Well I'll be, re-read the rule and that's right. Captains/Lords with Jump Packs and Power Fists could heroic intervention a Stormraven if it got too close.

 mrhappyface wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
No, it happens when at the end of the charges he has a model within 3" of a char. No need to charge.

Well I'll be, re-read the rule and that's right. Captains/Lords with Jump Packs and Power Fists could heroic intervention a Stormraven if it got too close.

I'm sure that'd probably work once

Spartacus wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
No, it happens when at the end of the charges he has a model within 3" of a char. No need to charge.

Well I'll be, re-read the rule and that's right. Captains/Lords with Jump Packs and Power Fists could heroic intervention a Stormraven if it got too close.

I'm sure that'd probably work once

Aye, it's situational but good to remember.

No need to have jump packs either.

Edit: Yes you do, or you are not attacking.

Spoletta wrote:
No need to have jump packs either.

You need the Jump pack to give the Captain/Lord the Fly keyword because Airbone flyers cannot be attacked by non-Flyer keyword models.

Yeah, edited a second too late.

Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

 Karhedron wrote:
Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

Damage per weapon?

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

Damage per weapon?

Only 1 point so average damage is 6.67 wounds per volley from a squad of 5. If you are playing Ynnari, you can double that with Soulburst.

 Karhedron wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

Damage per weapon?

Only 1 point so average damage is 6.67 wounds per volley from a squad of 5. If you are playing Ynnari, you can double that with Soulburst.

Doesnt sound all that good.

Rather just go ham with lascannon variants.

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

Damage per weapon?

Only 1 point so average damage is 6.67 wounds per volley from a squad of 5. If you are playing Ynnari, you can double that with Soulburst.

Doesnt sound all that good.

Rather just go ham with lascannon variants.

I mean, it's about equivalent in effect to a Lascannon Devastator team (not sure if equivalent in points though). 4 Lascannon Devastators (Ultramarine) standing next to their Primarch should average 6.91 damage. More like 4.54 if he isn't around.

Audustum wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

Damage per weapon?

Only 1 point so average damage is 6.67 wounds per volley from a squad of 5. If you are playing Ynnari, you can double that with Soulburst.

Doesnt sound all that good.

Rather just go ham with lascannon variants.

I mean, it's about equivalent in effect to a Lascannon Devastator team (not sure if equivalent in points though). 4 Lascannon Devastators (Ultramarine) standing next to their Primarch should average 6.91 damage. More like 4.54 if he isn't around.

Well i would mean points wise and mobility wise getting there and doing the thing is going to be tough for wraiths i figure unless im missing an option

 Desubot wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Wraithguard with D-scythes. 5 x D3 autohitting S10 hits shoukd make a real dent.

Damage per weapon?

Only 1 point so average damage is 6.67 wounds per volley from a squad of 5. If you are playing Ynnari, you can double that with Soulburst.

Doesnt sound all that good.

Rather just go ham with lascannon variants.

I mean, it's about equivalent in effect to a Lascannon Devastator team (not sure if equivalent in points though). 4 Lascannon Devastators (Ultramarine) standing next to their Primarch should average 6.91 damage. More like 4.54 if he isn't around.

Well i would mean points wise and mobility wise getting there and doing the thing is going to be tough for wraiths i figure unless im missing an option

Fair enough. Lascannons have much greater range and accessibility to their target.

Looks like the Welsh and English ETC guard lists offer a little hope.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzus0DMobfGYLUtObG5ldGlYUmc/view?usp=drive_web

fight their stormraven spam with storm raven spam?

best anti storm raven I believe is dark reaper spam

Mass Brimstone horrors, Mass razorwing flocks? Hordes seem to be the in thing these days to deal with mass flyers. (specific type of hordes).

Nurglings all over the place to control where the stormravens can move, keep some deepstriking flying units in reserve like raptors or jump lords, and maybe forgefiends or similar in the backfield? That's my chaotic idea for anti ravenspam.

If one can force them to hoverjet then any deep strikers can charge the fliers when they come in.

Idk about other armies but i've beaten Raven spam(mind you he runs 4 not 5 but still counts I think) twice using my tzeentch daemons. Aetaos'rau'keres killed two in one turn the last game. He has beaten my list to be fair. The match pretty much comes down to who goes first and how well I can make 3++'s. Overall I feel good about the match up though.

Another note is E. Flamers aren't a counter but they can help chip in fairly easily with their mini lascannnons.

Read first post again and realize OP doesn't play daemons xD my bad for being unhelpful.

Ecdain wrote:
Idk about other armies but i've beaten Raven spam(mind you he runs 4 not 5 but still counts I think) twice using my tzeentch daemons. Aetaos'rau'keres killed two in one turn the last game. He has beaten my list to be fair. The match pretty much comes down to who goes first and how well I can make 3++'s. Overall I feel good about the match up though.

Another note is E. Flamers aren't a counter but they can help chip in fairly easily with their mini lascannnons.

Read first post again and realize OP doesn't play daemons xD my bad for being unhelpful.

Whats your list and how has Aetaos done againt stormravens?

Best counter ignore storm ravens kill giulliman or accompanyone unit point at FAQ and laugh at the poor fool that jumped on the bandwagon and now has worthless stormravens

Yeah, the new FAQ makes them much less desirable in large numbers. Probably going to be limited to 2 now if you want to score objectives.

In response to OP - The FAQ.

So what counters the FAQ?

Razerous wrote:
In response to OP - The FAQ.

So what counters the FAQ?

Poorly thought out House rulings.

To be fair we will still likely see 2-3 stormraven lists fairly common and counters are still needed.

gungo wrote:
To be fair we will still likely see 2-3 stormraven lists fairly common and counters are still needed.

Isn't that kind of okay though? Stormravens aren't broken in smaller numbers. It is when five of them are maneuvering around that they get out of hand.

People might actually need to take some anti-air support.