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Thanks for the update. Their site is getting hammered.
The latest kickstarter is cancelled.
If customers have made a deposit or paid for goods or services by credit or debit card and the goods or services are not going to be received by the due date, they may be able to get their money back by claiming a refund from their card issuer. They should contact their card issuer as soon as possible. Further information including time limits that apply is available from the UK Cards Association: Credit and debit cards: A consumer guide. Similar schemes exist in other countries.
It looks a bit final.

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xowainx wrote:
The following statement is issued today, Friday 25th August 2017.
Following a prolonged period of challenging trading and despite the directors’ best efforts to manage through, Rebel Publishing Ltd was unable to continue to trade and the directors have taken the difficult decision to cease. All members of staff were made redundant.

The company, which traded as Spartan Games, is a Somerset, UK based provider of tabletop miniature games which include

Uncharted Seas, a fantasy naval combat game (now retired)
Firestorm Armada, an exciting space combat game featuring highly detailed starship models
Dystopian Legions, a game based in the world of Dystopian Wars using highly detailed 32mm scale figures and vehicles (now retired)
Dystopian Wars– an exciting journey in a Victorian sci-fi world encompassing naval combat, ground warfare and aerial combat.
Spartan Scenics – a range of detailed and easily assembled wargames terrain.
Rebel Publishing Ltd was formed in July 2002 and traded successfully for a number of years. Spartan Games was launched in 2008 and grew rapidly. However, the tabletop games market is challenging and has changed over recent years, and suppliers are predominantly a small number of large well-known names and several small, cottage industry, type businesses.

Initially the business outsourced production but following quality control and production management issues, manufacturing was moved in house between 2009 and 2011. Over this time and since, significant investment was made into machinery and infrastructure. The business also expanded to provide models for a well known video game, moving this into the tabletop games arena. However, significant new development costs, timing issues and the deflection of management time from the core games brands resulted in a significant trading loss for 2015/6. The business was able to continue to trade by raising additional finance and refocusing on core brands, and direct / online trading improved significantly. Results for 2016/17 were significantly improved.

However, despite this it continued to encounter challenging trading conditions and it became clear this month that the company could not continue to service its liabilities, particularly given the burden imposed by the amounts owing to finance companies.

The company was in the process of running a Kickstarter project to raise funds for expansion of one of its successful product lines. This was well supported and positive feedback on the new products was given showing the popularity of the product line and ongoing demand. However, this does not, unfortunately, provide the full range of success and resources needed to sustain the business.

In addition to challenging trading issues, one of the directors has suffered from a long period of poor health which became significantly more serious earlier this year and although now back in the business, requires ongoing treatment. That has inevitably taken a toll on the amount of time available to the business so, along with other challenges, has significantly contributed to this difficult decision.

The directors are extremely saddened by this decision and particularly regret any losses incurred by employees, customers, suppliers or other trading partners. The directors fully committed their time, energy and personal resources to effect a turnaround. Employees will receive redundancy payments through state funds and although efforts have been made to fulfil customer orders, it is hoped that anyone who does not receive their goods will be able to redeem their payments through their credit card or PayPal.

If customers have made a deposit or paid for goods or services by credit or debit card and the goods or services are not going to be received by the due date, they may be able to get their money back by claiming a refund from their card issuer. They should contact their card issuer as soon as possible. Further information including time limits that apply is available from the UK Cards Association: Credit and debit cards: A consumer guide. Similar schemes exist in other countries.

Throughout the years that Spartan Games has traded, it has prided itself on the highest level of product quality and customer satisfaction. This has been delivered consistently and is evidenced though annual customer research that the company has undertaken.

We would encourage anybody who may be interested in acquiring either stock, assets or the business to make contact as soon as possible. Spartan Games and its product lines have a strong reputation in its markets together with an asset base which may be of interest to a number of parties, and a variety of machinery in addition to Intellectual Property.

All enquiries about this matter should be sent to spartangames@mail.com


Thanks for copying that, xowainx. Huge bummer here but someone should definitely purchase the line... I would love to see it continue, and maybe get the focus it has needed.

From their announcement, they also seem to indicate that launching the Halo products caused an irrecoverable loss of sales in their other lines... in the end it seems like that is what really sunk the company.

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Very sad to hear but sadly not a surpride, Their attitude towards their existing games and player base has been shody at best and kind of a kick in the nards at worst.

   
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I'd really hope someone could step in to buy them - sadly I can't think of anyone big enough in the UK who'd really want to step in to buy. That and the sudden closure right now suggests that there isn't a huge amount of time to really sort out a buyout before staff are lost/assets are sold on.


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I have no info and know very little about Spartan Games/Rebel Publishings history and what issues they might have had.
Ive heard a lot of negativity about them and their business, but also lots of praise for their gamesystems.

Which is why I was kind of mesmerised by Dystopian Wars and jumped on their kickstarter in march really looking forward to diving into the game this winter.

Sadly i wont get any of it and probably wont even get my money back but at least ill try. Really does seem like they have no clue in business and the fact that they cancelled one kickstarter due to community anger last winter, and now fired another one up just prior to closing the company altogether really tells the tale.

Shame, interesting games and systems ruined by what seem to be incompetence.
   
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Might be that they were holding debtors back with the KS funding and then debts were called in when the KS didn't raise enough - it could also be that Neil's medical condition has turned worse once more or that continued stress of running the company was taking its toll on his recovery - might well be that throwing the towel in has as much to do with finance as it does his health - esp if the company was down on staff.

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Maybe warlord could buy some of their IP/Moulds? they've been buying up smaller ranges for a while so it wouldn't be too crazy to imagine, Plus they really want a nice big third party IP to give them that LoTR style boost that GW got and a well supported Halo game could do just that.

   
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Was this KS a 'last ditch' effort to save them?

And was it not funding high/fast enough?

This is a bit of a shock...

   
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Most I can say about Spartan Games is they put out some very cool models, the rules were VERY hit and miss, I loved DWars and FSA v2.0 was alright, but rest were very badly done imo.. I quickly lost enthusiasm for the Planetfall ruleset, just it had gorgeous models. x_x

I have been concerned with how that business has been run for past year really as it's always been pretty obvious SG could barely support DWars and FSA as it is, taking up Halo seemed way too much especially going swiftly into bringing two game systems for it... It's just felt like a long time coming.. was expecting them to maybe survive for another year off the back of kickstarters but seems the end is finally here.
   
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Sad to hear another company biting the dust. Hopefully some other companies out there can acquire licenses and keep the games alive

 
   
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No surprise... loved Firestorm Armada.
They had a very nice style on their miniatures.

Do one thing good and not 10 mediocre... Spartan always forgot the stuff they did half a year ago.
   
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Again no real surprise from me either. For such an unfocused scattergun company I'm more surprised it didn't happen a couple of years ago.

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That is too bad to hear about the company closing down. Firestorm is definitely a license, or at least the ship designs, something I wouldn't mind acquiring. Unfortunately with them in the UK I don't have any inroads or contact with that particular publisher.

I have seen in situations like this, depending on the company structure, where they initially closed due to a bankruptcy or something similar... then reformed as a new company under new management.
   
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 Dark Severance wrote:
That is too bad to hear about the company closing down. Firestorm is definitely a license, or at least the ship designs, something I wouldn't mind acquiring. Unfortunately with them in the UK I don't have any inroads or contact with that particular publisher.

I have seen in situations like this, depending on the company structure, where they initially closed due to a bankruptcy or something similar... then reformed as a new company under new management.



They have a contact address in the statement for anyone looking to acquire assets.

   
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 Overread wrote:
Might be that they were holding debtors back with the KS funding and then debts were called in when the KS didn't raise enough - it could also be that Neil's medical condition has turned worse once more or that continued stress of running the company was taking its toll on his recovery - might well be that throwing the towel in has as much to do with finance as it does his health - esp if the company was down on staff.


I can tell you from personal experience that the two are inextricably linked. If your health is failing, you are unable to invest the energy into the business it demands (which is huge, even for a relatively small scale operation) and as a consequence the business starts to underperform, and the stress of a struggling business is hugely impactful on your health, forming a vicious circle. Or the reverse, of course.

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Well **** I guess I'm never getting any of that dystopian wars Kickstarter stuff. Hurts extra bad as some people in the local club have already received theirs.

This seems really sudden, I would of expected them to at least have some big sale to try to raise some funds if things were this bad.

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 Tamereth wrote:
Well **** I guess I'm never getting any of that dystopian wars Kickstarter stuff. Hurts extra bad as some people in the local club have already received theirs.

This seems really sudden, I would of expected them to at least have some big sale to try to raise some funds if things were this bad.



I think if you're at the point where you thinking you might be done, you're basically done.
They had a kickstarter running that was probably their last ditch attempt to drum up business without giving away how bad things had gotten.
Plus a huge sale of all their stock might still happen, But i doubt it would have saved them when you consider paying how little they'd be making from what they have in stock right now.

   
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Wow.. so they were running a kickstarter while apparently on the verge of closing down? And they decided to leave out that long standing knife's edge financial situation out of their "risks" section of the crowdfunding? I suppose it could have been worse in that they could have tried waiting till a few weeks after the KS ended and the funds transferred to let folks know. Either way, it's poor form and against the spirit and the letter of the kickstarter rules and, if it had happened, backers would have no realistic recourse in most cases.

I don't rejoice in this as fellow gamers passionate about the industry will likely be losing their jobs and some their careers in gaming never to return.. but as posted above by many others I can't say I'm surprised. They're indirectly blaming Halo it seems in the closing statement but the halo games got as much focused attention (6 months) before chasing the next squirrel as their own core brands typically got and the game community suffered because of it. Halo wasn't perfect ruleswise and admittedly didn't land initially with much success (much to my surprise) even amongs Halo fans in my area but the rehashing of the releases with little to no followup new content certainly didn't help either. Then factor in Halo's own missteps over the last two games as well as the general decline overall of the xbox brand this generation and the expected new fans to the IP didn't materialize in the numbers they might have expected.

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 warboss wrote:
They're indirectly blaming Halo it seems in the closing statement but the game about as much focused attention to each of their halo games (6 months) before chasing the next squirrel as they typically did their own core brands and the game community suffered because of it. Halo wasn't perfect ruleswise and admittedly didn't land initially with much success (much to my surprise) even amongs Halo fans in my area but the rehashing of the releases with little to no followup new content certainly didn't help either. Then factor in Halo's own missteps over the last two games as well as the general decline overall of the xbox brand this generation and the expected new fans to the IP didn't materialize in the numbers they might have expected.


Halo could have been a license to rpint money if they just made it 40k heroic scale.
At the very least they'd have a steady trickle of sales from people using their vehicles and spartan figures in other games.
But 15mm massed infantry sci fi? That's suicide.

   
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Spartan have created an interesting chain of complainants... for everybody blaming Dystopian/Firestorm/Halo x for diverting attention from their own favourite game, someone out there is blaming that for lack of interest in theirs. I say this as an Uncharted Seas player from back in the day.

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It's unfortunate but like everyone said not surprising. This is a problem with small businesses, which despite it's apparent size Spartan still was.

The last minute attemp to save the company through KS is kind of an unfortunate thing though and will likely stain any attempt by the owner to move into the gaming space agian in the future.

Spartan just needed to pick a game and stick to it as their primary source of income. Going years between significant releases for the different systems makes it very difficult to get any one to catch on, when by the time you did Spartan had moved on.

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 nicromancer wrote:
Halo could have been a license to rpint money if they just made it 40k heroic scale.
At the very least they'd have a steady trickle of sales from people using their vehicles and spartan figures in other games.
But 15mm massed infantry sci fi? That's suicide.


I took out my own quote because it was embarrassing how bad my own typos, autocorrects, and half edited sentences were. Yeah, 15mm for halo was a misstep for the brand. In an IP where the core game never goes above 16 v 16 (at least in Halo 1-4 and Reach) and is heavily focused despite being a shooter on individual characters, it would seem like a no brainer that a skirmish game in a scale where those individual character figs would impress (like 30+mm) would be the best fit to lead off with. I was excited about Halo Fleet Battles and bought into it relatively heavily for me personally ($250+) but I was surprised that they decided to lead with a ship game despite my own unfulfilled long standing interest in the genre.

While they've put out some nice products in the past and definitely have some talented and passionate folks working there, I can't help but think that Spartan was largely run over the years like the stories you hear about failing FLGS where the owner stocks and focuses mainly on what interests himself personally to the detriment of what the communtiy may actually desire.

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What is really disturbing is that it happens so suddenly.

It really meant this Kickstarter was a cash grab. And Spartan Neil did lie again.

No wonder it was hurried. It was their last chance. And they weren't honest at all with it.

I'm quite angry at how it was presented again. Damn.
   
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 Overread wrote:
I'd really hope someone could step in to buy them - sadly I can't think of anyone big enough in the UK who'd really want to step in to buy. That and the sudden closure right now suggests that there isn't a huge amount of time to really sort out a buyout before staff are lost/assets are sold on.


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Wow...

I always heard good things about their games and have some Dystopian Wars stuff on my painting table tonight.

Darn.

 
   
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Bloody hell this is sudden.

and this sucks. i never got my KS stuff.

@kid the game is fun and the models are REALLY cool still.

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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Well, at least they pulled the plug before the KS campaign ended, if they called quits then it would've been messier.



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 BrookM wrote:
Well, at least they pulled the plug before the KS campaign ended, if they called quits then it would've been messier.


Yes. Which is why it really sucks for the previous Kickstarter, the one on Dystopian Wars. There are backers who didn't receive their stuff, and now it is seriously compromised.

All of these promises about expanding the games, gaining new rules...gone. They pulled the plug hard, the official forums are completely offline (http://community.spartangames.co.uk/). They were down a few days ago, and this was the reason. Now everything that was on them is lost.

At least the download section on their website is still available. Better grab the rules as long as you can.

I'm so angry at them right now, Spartan Neil in particular.

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I think the forums closed last night or thereabouts; the store closed at some point today alongside it.

So this is all very sudden.

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