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Vulkan wins because the dude literally cannot die.

Or well, I guess technically he can die, but he just gets back up again.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Vulkan wins because the dude literally cannot die.

Or well, I guess technically he can die, but he just gets back up again.

I think a single death would be an elimination in this event.

Others have mentioned it, but I'd put Johnson towards the top.

His background of surviving as a child, with just his bare hands, on a death world, kind of prepares him for this better then anyone else. Let us also no forget he out-stalked pyschic evil batman as well. Doubtful any other Primarch could have been capable of that.

Really? I thought he gave in and just bombarded the general area...and missed.

I'm guessing that once dead, a contestant is 'out,' so the debate could continue on the basis that if killed, Vulkan is out, and would be immediately disqualified on respawning. He'd have to just make his way to the edge of the dome and leave in Truman Burbank style.

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BAN wrote:
Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat. Even if he was the Emperor's "pull them back in line guy" Russ is cited in two disciplinary deployments and failed both of them - the World Eaters still use the Butcher's Nails and Magnus never made it to Terra to stand trial before the Emperor, not only that the Thousand Sons still use The Warp like a toy.

The World Eater thing wasn't disciplinary in any way seeing as Russ did it himself. The point of that was to show that blindly fighting alone led to defeat which was shown by the fact that although Russ lost his soldiers could have slain Angron so that's a success.
As for Magnus he was beaten and only escaped because of Tzeentch. Another minute and there'd be no Magnus. The Wolves were sent to kill the Thousand Sons not apprehend them and the Thousand Sons no longer exist as a Legion. They were devastated at Prospero and the remnants were broken at the Battle of the Fang.

Night of the Wolf - Russ claimed the Emperor sent him, Angron claimed Russ was full of gak. Neither side's claim is actually resolved.

Russ' first order regarding Magnus was to bring him in, the next order en-route to Prospero was to kill him. Russ failed both.

Magnus was beaten by Russ in single combat but both Lion and Angron beat Russ.

For a legion that no longer exists the Thousand Sons did some pretty good damage to Fenris and for a Primarch that "The Executioner" was sent to terminate so did Magnus.

I am not a Space Wolves hater, they're my favourite chapter because they're epic failures - they failed in just about every pivotal moment they've been involved in and they poison themselves so they can get drunk and convince themselves that they're heroes.

That is not at all what they do.

It was hardly the Thousand Sons doing damage to Fenris. It was the Changeling, hordes of Tzeentch worshippers and daemons, Nurgle armies, the Alpha Legion, the Imperial fleet of multiple Chapters and the Thousand Sons.

Losing once isn't also a guarantee that you'll lose every time. Sanguinius got his ass handed to him by Ka'Bandha but beat him later on.


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 vonjankmon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Vulkan is not a problem as immunity to death is not immunity to being moved.

As far as I'm aware Vullan can noy teleport or fly.

So when Magnus telekinetically tosses him into the planet's orbit he'll no longer be a contestant- alive or dead.

If I remember correctly when Vulcan dies he can randomly re-appear in random places. Because didn't he die on Istavaan but then magically reappear in orbit around Ultramar before plummeting down and making a crater on Ultramar? Also Magnus will need to throw him *out* or orbit otherwise he'll come crashing back down eventually.

His hammer had a teleporter and after Istvaan he was captured and tortured by Curze until he teleported out to Ultramar. I think.

Let's look at their history.
Russ failed to beat the Emperor in their fight and was forced to serve commanding the Rout.
Who failed as the Emperor's scary marines or rather were beaten at a job the Emperor created them for by marines with Butcher's Nails severing their humanity.
Failed to prevent use of Butcher's Nails and allowed Angron to be turned to Chaos.
Failed to save or kill Magnus allowing him to be turned to Chaos.
Failed to arrive on Terra before the big E died.
Failed to detach Canis Helix from their gene-seed.
They claim that every Great Hunt has been pivotal but every one has failed at its ultimate goal which is finding Russ.
Failed to recover Wulfen quietly.
Want a guess at who was in charge of the failed attempt at defending Cadia?

The pokemon formerly known as Creed.

Magnus could literally push the entire island into the ocean or destroy it with psyflame.

Magnus is, per multiple sources, the most powerful Primarch and the most similar to the Emperor in power. Lorgar refers to him as such many times, both before and after his fall. An astropath who made brief psychic connection with Magnus (and died) noted that he was just like the Emperor.

When a mass-conveyer fell from low orbit and was going to destroy the city it was over it was Magnus who channeled the natural energies of the planet to slow its descent and allow it to gently land, while Perturabo could only stare helplessly.

Per Leman Russ, in his fight with Magnus he was struck with psychic assaults which would have killed his brothers, and only survived due to his unique innate psychic resistance. And despite that, pretty much every modern source from A Thousand Sons to the HH Forgeworld books portray Leman Russ as requiring aid in fighting his brother (who was engaging the entire Space Wolves Legion and channeling possibly the most powerful sorcerous spell of the Heresy) and being largely on the losing side of the fight until "flailing wildly" and landing a "lucky" (Tzeentch) blow on Magnus' eye.

See, the thing about the Primarchs is that, although they all have their own talents, physically they are similar in the way humans are. Ferrus Manus is a hulking bruiser among Primarchs, but when fighting Fulgrim he can't just completely overpower him. Similarly, Fulgrim is among the quickest Primarchs, but not to the point he can easily blitz Ferrus Manus.

What sets the Primarchs apart from one another in combat is their unique psychic talents. And in this regard, Magnus eclipses the rest of his brothers combined. The only Primarch who can be considered to even be playing the same game as Magnus is Lorgar, yet as we see in Aurelian Magnus can psychically dominate him from across the galaxy while maintaining a psychic projection.

It's a boring answer, but it's the right one. Alpharius is sneaky? Lion El'Jonson has experience surviving harsh wilderness? All irrelevant compared to the one among them that can attack every other Primarch on the island from any point of the island, simultaneously, and likely will kill most of his brothers in the first attack.

The only ones who might survive would be Lorgar, who might be able to withstand the brunt of the attack with a kine shield, Sanguinius, largely due to his airborne mobility, Leman Russ, due to his psychic resistance, and Vulkan, due to being a Perpetual. Lorgar is no threat, being the diet Coke version of Magnus. Sanguinius could potentially kill Magnus if he could close the distance and use his superior martial skill to run him through, but Sanguinius wouldn't know where his brother was while Magnus would know exactly where he was. Leman Russ would have an even harder time of this, due to being restricted to running. This leaves Vulkan, the one who can't die. This doesn't imply that Magnus couldn't bury him alive in an ocean trench.

Magnus would win, and I honestly can't take many arguments otherwise seriously. That Alpharius is a frontrunner is particularly laughable. Alpharius' talents lie in infiltrating the enemy lines, sabotaging them, and in employing misdirection to ensnare his enemies. All of which are useless talents in this thread's scenario.

All the primarchs undoubtedly have a measure of protection from psychic attack, naturally and enhanced by their armour. Otherwise powerful psykers would use them as puppets. So whilst Magnus is powerful, he isn't a guaranteed winner. If he were, Siege of Terra would have played out very differently. He couldn't just displace the palace, or kill any other primarchs then. And in the scene where he stops the craft from falling, the excursion nearly overcomes him. So after killing one or two of his brothers in the death match, he might be too tired to defend himself.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BAN wrote:
Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat. Even if he was the Emperor's "pull them back in line guy" Russ is cited in two disciplinary deployments and failed both of them - the World Eaters still use the Butcher's Nails and Magnus never made it to Terra to stand trial before the Emperor, not only that the Thousand Sons still use The Warp like a toy.

The World Eater thing wasn't disciplinary in any way seeing as Russ did it himself. The point of that was to show that blindly fighting alone led to defeat which was shown by the fact that although Russ lost his soldiers could have slain Angron so that's a success.
As for Magnus he was beaten and only escaped because of Tzeentch. Another minute and there'd be no Magnus. The Wolves were sent to kill the Thousand Sons not apprehend them and the Thousand Sons no longer exist as a Legion. They were devastated at Prospero and the remnants were broken at the Battle of the Fang.

Night of the Wolf - Russ claimed the Emperor sent him, Angron claimed Russ was full of gak. Neither side's claim is actually resolved.

Russ' first order regarding Magnus was to bring him in, the next order en-route to Prospero was to kill him. Russ failed both.

Magnus was beaten by Russ in single combat but both Lion and Angron beat Russ.

For a legion that no longer exists the Thousand Sons did some pretty good damage to Fenris and for a Primarch that "The Executioner" was sent to terminate so did Magnus.

I am not a Space Wolves hater, they're my favourite chapter because they're epic failures - they failed in just about every pivotal moment they've been involved in and they poison themselves so they can get drunk and convince themselves that they're heroes.

That is not at all what they do.

It was hardly the Thousand Sons doing damage to Fenris. It was the Changeling, hordes of Tzeentch worshippers and daemons, Nurgle armies, the Alpha Legion, the Imperial fleet of multiple Chapters and the Thousand Sons.

Losing once isn't also a guarantee that you'll lose every time. Sanguinius got his ass handed to him by Ka'Bandha but beat him later on.


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 vonjankmon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Vulkan is not a problem as immunity to death is not immunity to being moved.

As far as I'm aware Vullan can noy teleport or fly.

So when Magnus telekinetically tosses him into the planet's orbit he'll no longer be a contestant- alive or dead.

If I remember correctly when Vulcan dies he can randomly re-appear in random places. Because didn't he die on Istavaan but then magically reappear in orbit around Ultramar before plummeting down and making a crater on Ultramar? Also Magnus will need to throw him *out* or orbit otherwise he'll come crashing back down eventually.

His hammer had a teleporter and after Istvaan he was captured and tortured by Curze until he teleported out to Ultramar. I think.

Let's look at their history.
Russ failed to beat the Emperor in their fight and was forced to serve commanding the Rout.
Who failed as the Emperor's scary marines or rather were beaten at a job the Emperor created them for by marines with Butcher's Nails severing their humanity.
Failed to prevent use of Butcher's Nails and allowed Angron to be turned to Chaos.
Failed to save or kill Magnus allowing him to be turned to Chaos.
Failed to arrive on Terra before the big E died.
Failed to detach Canis Helix from their gene-seed.
They claim that every Great Hunt has been pivotal but every one has failed at its ultimate goal which is finding Russ.
Failed to recover Wulfen quietly.
Want a guess at who was in charge of the failed attempt at defending Cadia?

Someone with iron weapons lost to a guy with power weapons and power armour. No surprise there.
They very much succeeded at being "scary marines" and there's no way the World Eaters beat them at it considering they're traitors.
It's not Russ's job to keep Angron out of Chaos. The responsibility for that is solely on the Emperor.
But did cripple the Thousand Sons and I'm pretty sure a god teleporting him away counts as extenuating circumstances.
That's false. He got to Terra and then left to delay the Traitor forces which he did well considering he nearly killed Horus and removed a lot of his madness with the Spear of Russ.
They didn't want to. About two or three Wolves tried it.
Every Great Hunt also cleanses a lot of xenos and other threats when they happen. They don't find someone whose not meant to be returning yet which is hardly a failure.
They did defeat multiple Chaos invasions of the Imperium while recovering them.
Losing to a full on Black Crusade while destroying Blackstone Fortresses is not a hugely bad thing.

Every Primarch and their Legion failed sometimes. You can't just cherry pick the failings and claim they're bad. Or I can just say Magnus is the worst of all Primarchs.

 JamesY wrote:
All the primarchs undoubtedly have a measure of protection from psychic attack, naturally and enhanced by their armour. Otherwise powerful psykers would use them as puppets.

Lorgar telekinetically rag-dolled Fulgrim in Aurelion when he was angry and Horus had to watch helplessly, literally begging Magnus to intervene. Lorgar is a fraction of Magnus' power.

You're welcome to provide feats on a case by case basis of Primarchs resisting psychic attacks on the scale of what Magnus has been shown to dish out, to support your argument.

My bet's on vulkan unless magnus figures out how to undo the perpetual ability with warp gak, vulkan will wear everyone else down through attrition or just beat them into the ground considering physically strongest, and I think one of the largest, magnus might be bigger but I'm not sure

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
All the primarchs undoubtedly have a measure of protection from psychic attack, naturally and enhanced by their armour. Otherwise powerful psykers would use them as puppets.

Lorgar telekinetically rag-dolled Fulgrim in Aurelion when he was angry and Horus had to watch helplessly, literally begging Magnus to intervene. Lorgar is a fraction of Magnus' power.

You're welcome to provide feats on a case by case basis of Primarchs resisting psychic attacks on the scale of what Magnus has been shown to dish out, to support your argument.

Want to read my post again? And not edit out important details of my comments? Yes he is powerful, but he isn't powerful enough to deal with 17 (or 19, depending on how far back you go) primarchs single handedly. After 5-6 such feats, he's going to tire, at which point Corax steps out of a shadow, or Angron comes charging out of a bush. But there are examples of primarchs surviving powerful psychic attacks;
Guilliman in Know No Fear when Kor Phaeron repeatedly blasts him
Perturabo having his essence stolen in Angel Exterminatus
Angron's mind killing the psykers who try to communicate with him in Betrayer
Sanguinius resisting warpfire (I want to say in Ruinstorm? Might be wrong there)
That's off the top of my head.

They were all made with the help of warp sorcery, so they are all going to have a base level of resistance. Again, I'm not saying Magnus wouldn't wreck some carnage, nor that he isn't a strong contender for the win. Just that he isn't a guarantee based on his abilities. The only primarchs so far that have canonically killed another primarch are Fulgrim and Dorn, so that should count for something.

I don't think there is any sure fire winner. They all have things going for them. Vulkan, not taking into consideration the perpetual thing, and Mortarion have the survivability. Corax, Curze and Alpharius/Omegon have the sneakyness. Curze and Sanguinius have the precognition (the Heresy series has made this more of a boon than it was originally), Angron is possibly the deadliest single combatant etc etc. They all have their abilities and were all created to be the best military minds. Just because they had individual traits that stand out doesn't mean that they don't have others to take into consideration. I think it's in the afterword of the Silent War that mentions this. That where some Legions, true it's in reference to the Legions, have a preference for subterfuge all employed it in one way or the other. I would imagine that this would be applicable to the Primarchs.

Also, who has grudges against the other Primarchs and friendships. Who's personalities have the biggest flaws. Who can exploit these the best. Would temporary allegiances be formed or would it just be a straight up free for all. All the Priamrchs know how potent a Psyker Magnus is would they allow him to pop off his hex beams.

I can't say for sure who would win. I picked Mortarion on the grounds of his fight with the Khan. But then I am not entirely convinced that Mortarion would win.

Okay so let's change the setting again. People are arguing about how Magnus would just nuke the field etc and Vulkan can just get back up.

Put them all on a space hulk in random locations on the space hulk. One survives. Who do you wreckon it would come down to then?

Still Curze because he is fated to die by an assassin sent by the Emporer not by any of his brothers. Sanguinious is fated too but it's to die by Horus which this scenario fulfills. Doesn't matter if Vulcan keeps resurrecting, Curze killed him many times over and would do it again if it was the last two leaving Curze alone as the winner while Vulcan reassembled. Again, not sure how he pulls it off with the stronger Promarchs but it's not necessary for Curze to kill every single one of them he can wait for others to kill each other.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Still Curze because he is fated to die by an assassin sent by the Emporer not by any of his brothers. Sanguinious is fated too but it's to die by Horus which this scenario fulfills. Doesn't matter if Vulcan keeps resurrecting, Curze killed him many times over and would do it again if it was the last two leaving Curze alone as the winner while Vulcan reassembled. Again, not sure how he pulls it off with the stronger Promarchs but it's not necessary for Curze to kill every single one of them he can wait for others to kill each other.

Curze and Sanguinius are fated to die in the "canon" timeline with the causality and influence of fate that takes place inside it. Nothing tells us that if we insert that battle royal event, fate/causality wouldn't be different or even the Chaos Gods wouldn't intervene to change destiny so that their plans come to fruition. Lorgar and Erebus insist several time in the novels that there is a multitude of fates and paths possible and they try to influence them so they reach the one they prefer.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Still Curze because he is fated to die by an assassin sent by the Emporer not by any of his brothers. Sanguinious is fated too but it's to die by Horus which this scenario fulfills. Doesn't matter if Vulcan keeps resurrecting, Curze killed him many times over and would do it again if it was the last two leaving Curze alone as the winner while Vulcan reassembled. Again, not sure how he pulls it off with the stronger Promarchs but it's not necessary for Curze to kill every single one of them he can wait for others to kill each other.

Angron is fated to become the Khorne's son. At least one of their destinies would have to be altered.

Sanguinius; he could fly and stay in the sky until there was only one other primarch left. He could then swoop down pick him up, brake his back and drop him, like whatvhe did to ka"bandha.

You wouldn't have to kill vulkan necessarily, you could probably get away with Black Knighting him*. As a bonus you could then carry him around for comic effect until only the two of you remain.


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The canon timeline has always been mutable with a long string of retcons and shoe ins yet their fate has never changed yet. I remain unconvinced that this hypothetical scenario is any different nor any less creative then Geedub's authors for that matter.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
The canon timeline has always been mutable with a long string of retcons and shoe ins yet their fate has never changed yet. I remain unconvinced that this hypothetical scenario is any different nor any less creative then Geedub's authors for that matter.

But the thing is, every Primarch has his own fate. They just don't all have the precog to see it.

Magnus is the easy choice if you assume he can just "do anything at any time," without consequence. Assuming he has the ability to just snap his fingers and both locate & instantly destroy all the other primarchs is ridiculous. If he had these powers, he would have done so at any point post-heresy. When he showed up and faced off against Guilliman, he was winning, but Guilliman was also out of ammo and had been fighting like crazy for some time. There is simply not enough evidence to suggest Magnus has the powers you say he does. It's highly likely that if he were encountered by someone like Angron or Russ early on, he would lose.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Really? I thought he gave in and just bombarded the general area...and missed.

On his ship, when Curze escaped his bonds. Not on Macragge.

 Marmatag wrote:
Magnus is the easy choice if you assume he can just "do anything at any time," without consequence. Assuming he has the ability to just snap his fingers and both locate & instantly destroy all the other primarchs is ridiculous. If he had these powers, he would have done so at any point post-heresy. When he showed up and faced off against Guilliman, he was winning, but Guilliman was also out of ammo and had been fighting like crazy for some time. There is simply not enough evidence to suggest Magnus has the powers you say he does. It's highly likely that if he were encountered by someone like Angron or Russ early on, he would lose.

It's not an assumption. Magnus has been canonically stated in multiple sources to be almost as powerful, or as powerful psychically as the emperor himself. Considering that the emperor erased Horus from fething EXISTENCE with a mere thought (the pumped up chaos version of Horus no less, AND did it while mortally wounded) it is not a stretch to say that Magnus could do something similar. I recall in one of the Thousand Sons novels, when Magnus was squaring off against Russ on Prospero he wasn't trying to kill him, he was just trying to hold him back so that he could complete his spell.

So, canonically... Magnus fought Russ to a stalemate WHILE channeling one of the most powerful spells a (roughly) human psyker has ever cast in the history of the galaxy, and STILL had to take special care not to accidentally kill him. Yeah... I think Magnus would win this one out of sheer OPness.

@w1zard so how come he didn't manage to kill a single primarch at Terra, or crack open the palace?

Don't forget, horus had just fought sanguinius, and the Emperor before being erased, and the gods all withdrew their protection when he had his moment of clarity. And it was only his soul that was destroyed, his body was left behind, so it wasn't as impressive a feat as you are suggesting.

 JamesY wrote:
@w1zard so how come he didn't manage to kill a single primarch at Terra, or crack open the palace?

I'm not saying that Magnus was powerful enough to snap his fingers and win the entire siege of Terra all at once from a distance. Not even the Emperor could have done that. What I am saying is that Magnus is the single most powerful primarch out of all of them due to the extreme nature of his psychic abilities. The only person who would be able to best him in a 1v1 duel would be the emperor himself, and even then it would not be a totally sure thing.

I will admit I haven't read much lore surrounding the siege of Terra, so I don't really know what happens there or who he fights. But weren't the sisters of silence present at the battle? That could go a long way toward explaining why his powers might be not as potent as they usually were. I know they made quite a difference on Prospero. There is also the possibility that the Emperor was psychically blocking the brunt of Magnus' powers from inside the palace/orbit, as even with my limited knowledge I know that the Emperor still wanted a "peaceful" resolution to the Horus Heresy at that point and was unwilling to kill any of his sons unless he absolutely had to. I do know for a fact that the imperial palace on Terra was almost certainly warded against psychic powers for the exact reason that the Emperor was a very intelligent man, and he wouldn't leave his defenses with such a gaping vulnerability. Even an entity as powerful as Magnus would likely have not been able to circumvent these defenses.

 JamesY wrote:

Don't forget, horus had just fought sanguinius, and the Emperor before being erased, and the gods all withdrew their protection when he had his moment of clarity. And it was only his soul that was destroyed, his body was left behind, so it wasn't as impressive a feat as you are suggesting.

I thought pumped up chaos Horus smashed on poor Sanguinius pretty quickly. As I said my lore knowledge about this area isn't that great, but from what I can recall it was a pretty one sided fight. Horus also didn't 'fight' the emperor so much as the emperor let Horus beat the crap out of him while he pleaded for Horus' humanity. At that point the emperor still believed Horus' soul could be saved. When the emperor finally saw Horus was too far gone he ended it pretty darn fast. The only reason why the emperor was mortally wounded in the fight with Horus was because he was unwilling to slay his favorite son outright without giving him a second chance.

Okay So I am getting a bit bored of this whole pysker shenanigans arguement.

How about, battle royal, on a space hulk, each Primarch starts at a random point and the space hulk is currently in the Warp where psyker effects are nullified/nerfed.

Also primarchs fates don't count. If a Primarch dies they got thrown back into correct timeline and carry on if nothing ever happened. Same goes for Vulkan on his first death too.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
Okay So I am getting a bit bored of this whole pysker shenanigans arguement.

How about, battle royal, on a space hulk, each Primarch starts at a random point and the space hulk is currently in the Warp where psyker effects are nullified/nerfed.

Also primarchs fates don't count. If a Primarch dies they got thrown back into correct timeline and carry on if nothing ever happened. Same goes for Vulkan on his first death too.

That really isn't fair. You wouldn't say Angron couldn't use his weapons, or Kurze his precognition, or Corax his stealth skills. If you are going to take away skills that literally define the combat styles of the primarchs in question you are going to get a skewed result.

If you want just a melee battle to the death on a space hulk using only close combat weapons, the winner would most likely be Angron or the Lion. Although, you could make a convincing argument for Corax/Kurze as well.

w1zard wrote:

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
Okay So I am getting a bit bored of this whole pysker shenanigans arguement.

How about, battle royal, on a space hulk, each Primarch starts at a random point and the space hulk is currently in the Warp where psyker effects are nullified/nerfed.

Also primarchs fates don't count. If a Primarch dies they got thrown back into correct timeline and carry on if nothing ever happened. Same goes for Vulkan on his first death too.

That really isn't fair. You wouldn't say Angron couldn't use his weapons, or Kurze his precognition, or Corax his stealth skills. If you are going to take away skills that literally define the combat styles of the primarchs in question you are going to get a skewed result.

If you want just a melee battle to the death on a space hulk using only close combat weapons, the winner would most likely be Angron or the Lion. Although, you could make a convincing argument for Corax/Kurze as well.

It is fair becuase it's a different scenario. People have answered open gladiator style, in an arena style, now different setting.

When you fight on the table top you don;t always use the same terrain do you. A fight can happen any time any place. If you like share tow opinions. Same scenario only difference is one fights takes place inside the Warp another outside.

But the Curze and Vulkan things stick where, one a Primarch dies they transport back to "canon" timeline right where they left off. It's get rid of the Curze and Vulkan shenanigans.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

w1zard wrote:

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
Okay So I am getting a bit bored of this whole pysker shenanigans arguement.

How about, battle royal, on a space hulk, each Primarch starts at a random point and the space hulk is currently in the Warp where psyker effects are nullified/nerfed.

Also primarchs fates don't count. If a Primarch dies they got thrown back into correct timeline and carry on if nothing ever happened. Same goes for Vulkan on his first death too.

That really isn't fair. You wouldn't say Angron couldn't use his weapons, or Kurze his precognition, or Corax his stealth skills. If you are going to take away skills that literally define the combat styles of the primarchs in question you are going to get a skewed result.

If you want just a melee battle to the death on a space hulk using only close combat weapons, the winner would most likely be Angron or the Lion. Although, you could make a convincing argument for Corax/Kurze as well.

It is fair becuase it's a different scenario. People have answered open gladiator style, in an arena style, now different setting.

When you fight on the table top you don;t always use the same terrain do you. A fight can happen any time any place. If you like share tow opinions. Same scenario only difference is one fights takes place inside the Warp another outside.

But the Curze and Vulkan things stick where, one a Primarch dies they transport back to "canon" timeline right where they left off. It's get rid of the Curze and Vulkan shenanigans.

Ok then, if Psychic powers are out, then Magnus and Lorgar automatically lose by default. If Vulkan isn't allowed to regenerate then he loses by default as well. If Kurze isn't allowed to use his precognition then he loses by default because at that point he is just a gimped version of Corax.

Under the scenario you described, I'd say either Angron or the Lion would win, with Corax/Alpharius coming behind as a close third considering stealth is important when fighting on a space hulk.