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All 18 Primarchs are dropped on an island. Who is the final one standing?
Lion El'Jonson
Fulgrim
Perturabo
Jaghatai Khan
Leman Russ
Rogal Dorn
Konrad Curze
Sanguinius
Ferrus Manus
Angron
Roboute Guilliman
Mortarion
Magnus
Horus
Lorgar
Vulkan
Corax
Alpharius

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Moustache-twirling Princeps






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I've seen a few thread here and there about which Primarches would win in 1-on-1 combat, discussed both from a fluff and gameplay viewpoint. This got me thinking; if all 18 Primarches were dropped on an island, similar to the Hunger Games (or Fortnite I'd imagine, although I've never played it), who would be the final one standing?

If we assume it's a pretty big island, say a few hundred square miles. Each Primarch is dropped equidistant from each other, although they are unaware of each other's location. Each one is armed with his standard loadout/most commonly used wargear, and while there's no supply drops or weapon caches similar to HG, the island has enough food and water to survive.

Edit: Also, we assume this is pre-Heresy, so no Daemon Primarches.

So Dakka, who would your money be on?

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Is this pre-heresy or during the Heresy? Most of the Traitor Primarchs during the Heresy cut deals with the greater Chaos Gods for powers. By all accounts, the Emperor should have been able to squish Horus with just a thought, but Horus gained stupid amounts of power from the Chaos Gods for his fight with the Emperor.

If we are talking pre-heresy, like during the Great Crusade, I'd say the top three would be Horus, Sanguinious, or Russ. Or even Angron, as he kinda grew up on a gladiator style planet and fought matches like this all the time. However, the strength of the Primarchs was in their Legions, not raw personal power.

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Moustache-twirling Princeps






London

 Tamwulf wrote:
Is this pre-heresy or during the Heresy? Most of the Traitor Primarchs during the Heresy cut deals with the greater Chaos Gods for powers. By all accounts, the Emperor should have been able to squish Horus with just a thought, but Horus gained stupid amounts of power from the Chaos Gods for his fight with the Emperor.

If we are talking pre-heresy, like during the Great Crusade, I'd say the top three would be Horus, Sanguinious, or Russ. Or even Angron, as he kinda grew up on a gladiator style planet and fought matches like this all the time. However, the strength of the Primarchs was in their Legions, not raw personal power.


This is meant to be pre-Heresy, I can't imagine there being much contest if post-Molech Horus was allowed.
   
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Canada

I'd say Vulkan, due to him being a Perpetual and also since the Emperor created him as the strongest physical Primarch.

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Alpharius because he's one tricky sod.

Maybe RG, because politics were actually important, and actually would be.
   
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Think it's Vulkan because he just keeps on coming back...

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 Orodhen wrote:
I'd say Vulkan, due to him being a Perpetual and also since the Emperor created him as the strongest physical Primarch.

How is he the strongest physical Primarch?

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pm713 wrote:
 Orodhen wrote:
I'd say Vulkan, due to him being a Perpetual and also since the Emperor created him as the strongest physical Primarch.

How is he the strongest physical Primarch?


When creating the Primarchs the Emp decided to make Vulkan the strongest.

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Probably Sanguinius. Being able to fly would be a pretty big advantage. Then again, so would the psychic might of Magnus. And The Lion basically grew up hunting things in the jungle.
   
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I'd say Magnus, his magic could make it extremely one-sided. Good luck trying to poke him with a sword after he melts your feet/hands/sensory organs/sword/body
   
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It would also depend on setting, would it be set within a huge cityscape (for example Konrad would be at home here from what I know of his lore) or within multiple biomes in the wild?

Also is teaming up allowed as obviously come primarchs would hold resentment for other primarchs *cough Russ and magnus*

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Lemen Russ would do pretty good in a survival enviroment too

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If Vulkan wasn't a perpetual I'd say Alpharius, but being incapable of dieing kinda lets you win by default. He could just sit in the center and wait for the others to die of old age - and primarchs take a long damn time to die of old age.

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 Orodhen wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Orodhen wrote:
I'd say Vulkan, due to him being a Perpetual and also since the Emperor created him as the strongest physical Primarch.

How is he the strongest physical Primarch?


When creating the Primarchs the Emp decided to make Vulkan the strongest.

Source? Vulkan doesn't seem to be stronger than others based on his role. That would be more Angron or Russ. The more punchy Primarchs.

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pm713 wrote:
 Orodhen wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Orodhen wrote:
I'd say Vulkan, due to him being a Perpetual and also since the Emperor created him as the strongest physical Primarch.

How is he the strongest physical Primarch?


When creating the Primarchs the Emp decided to make Vulkan the strongest.

Source? Vulkan doesn't seem to be stronger than others based on his role. That would be more Angron or Russ. The more punchy Primarchs.


Hope someone can find it, but I do remember reading in the fluff what Orodhen is stating here; namely, Vulkan was the physically strongest of the Primarchs akin to a John Henry type-character...

It's here:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vulkan

"Vulkan is the largest and physically strongest of all the primarchs. He is said to be as tall in his power armor as Horus is in his own, much larger Terminator armor, and is capable of overturning Space Marine battle tanks with his bare hands. During sparring matches with his brother Primarchs, Vulkan deliberately held back out of fear of hurting them."

Wiki cites: 4: Vulkan Lives by Nick Kyme; 7: Forge World Video Feed - Genesis of a Primarch: Vulkan; and Scorched Earth (Novella) by Nick Kyme

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Vulkan being a Perpetual is a potent advantage, but I think by the rules of the challenge if Vulkan and another Primarch are the two final contestants and Vulkan gets “killed,” then the other Primarch wins even if 5 minutes later Vulkan gets back up again because in that intervening time the other guy is the last one standing. It means that he’ll almost definitely need to be dealt with multiple times and will undoubtably make it into the endgame.

Alpharius is the sneakiest of the primarchs and the next most likely to fake his own death for an edge over his brothers. With his disguise skills and supernatural connection to Omegon (who probably isn’t in the arena as well, and therefore can get him an outside advantage) he has a lot of tricks up his sleeves.

Magnus, Sanguinius, and Curze are the wild cards in this scenario. Magnus is a powerful psyker, which gives him a unique skill set to use as he pleases. Sanguinius can fly and has all sorts of strange abilities beyond the scope of his fellows, which makes him an unknown. And Curze, while not a fan favorite, can see the future and has some level of psychic proficiency, but since he’s basically insane he’s another random variable.

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I wouldn't forget Roboute Guilleman. He's likely to be one of the last targets on any given Primarch's hit list. Nobody really cares to see him dead. Nobody particularly fears him.

And so he's liklely to be one of the last few alive, and to be relatively unscathed at that time too.

All the others are rightly feared and/or hated, and thus are very likely to be directly attacked.
   
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It depends. Who's the writer? If it's Matt Ward, then clearly Guilliman.

Since it's pre-Heresy, I can see an argument being made for Horus. He enjoyed the most respect, and would probably not have to fight by himself until the end.

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Thank you, Cream Tea.

Now I have a soap opera version of Hunger Games going through my head, with Horus and Bobby G leading opposing teams. Each with their own sk8r nerd and jock and whatnot. Basically cut down the lines of the Heresy.

I think someone needs to write that short story.
   
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Curze foresaw his death at the hands of an assassin sent by Big E. He doesn't die on an island killing his brothers. Curze wins.
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps






London

Maybe it'd make it fairer to assume Vulkan isn't a Perpeptual for this one, although I'm surprised at how many votes he's got.
   
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The DA in me wants to be loyal and say the Lion. He is extremely combat proficient and incredibly skilled. He has good physic resistance and basic psyker levels (In Angels of Caliban he can see energy lines).

However thinking logically in a Hunger games environment I personally think the terrain would change this massively. If it is open gladiator arena style then I think the winner may come down to Bobby or someone similar. I think he will be the best at preserving and tiring. The Lion would do well maybe down to final 3-4. But I think he would have tired himself out.

But if we're talking proper hunger games, where the arenas are theme'd, forest, desert, city landscape etc. Then depending on the theme this would change things drastically.

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 Valkyrie wrote:
Maybe it'd make it fairer to assume Vulkan isn't a Perpeptual for this one, although I'm surprised at how many votes he's got.


Then you'd have to assume that Magnus isn't a psyker and Alpharius is devoid of sneakiness. Being strong, resilient and tough and unkillable is sort of Vulkan's schtick.
   
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Alpharius, cause fury of all there’s two of them, and even if it was just one, everyone is Alpharius, everyone is Omegon. Alpharius may be Horus, or Rogal Dorn... He is everyone, and everyone is Alpharius.

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Voted on Magnus (without any kind of psy-leash, he's basically the most powerful of them), but as Vulkan keeps coming back, he'd win by pure attrition...

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Only two votes for Corax? Seriously? His entire shtick was unconventional/guerrilla warfare and being a sneaky git.
   
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Only two votes for Corax? Seriously? His entire shtick was unconventional/guerrilla warfare and being a sneaky git.


The sad part about Corax is he's half the sneakiness of Alpharius merged with about half the emo mopiness of Cruz. Dude is doomed.

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People know he's sneaky. They know he'll leap out of the shadows. People will gun for him.

His sneakiness is more "you don't see me". Alpharius's sneakiness is more "I'm not really your concern right now". Or so it seems. I think they'd play out differently.
   
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I'm gonna root for 2 underdogs that are actual Hunters. Konrad Kurze and Jagathi Kahn.

Of course Kurzes insanity would be his disadvantage.
   
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Someone kills Alpharius. They forget about him as he's supposed to be dead. Then Omegon steps out of the shadow to win the round.
   
 
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