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The bases were apparently a Marvel requirement but I am sure they could have got away with a more toned down version.

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Kalamadea wrote:
Heck, makes me wonder how much Galactus will be if the KS version is $180.

The similarly sized Cthulhu from Death May Die goes for around $450 at the moment looking at completed listings on eBay. That was cheaper that Galactus but has been a few years since it was available and less copies than Galactus would have been produced. It didn't come with the additional figures like Galactus does and it's use in the game was more limited than the Galactus addon.

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Shame as Zombie Spider-Man is a key character from the actual original Marvel Zombies book (along with the F4). Perhaps it’s due to the Sony licence.

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Alpharius wrote:
Is Zombie Thor still "Worthy"?

Or maybe that mini represents him being unable to lift Mjolnir?

Also, I think I remember that all of these minis are on the large size - are there any scale pics out there?

He is not worthy so he pulled off his arms trying to lift up Mjolnir (confirms not worthy in his update).

These minis are a little on the smaller side but depends what other range you are trying to use them with. It does sound like these may be a little bigger than standard Zombicide but not big enough to use with something like Marvel Crisis Protocol.

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Hero Namor is the next stretch goal.

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DaveC wrote:
They still have that Army of the Dead version to do as well - no word since the announcement. But what we really need is pirates!

That is going straight to retail apparently rather than a Kickstarter, so likely to be released at some point this year.

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Plenty of fan made characters and missions.

CMON have also been good at releasing extra missions online for Zombicide.

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Kalamadea wrote:
They noted several times in emails that the Wave 1 was just the base game box, everything else would be in Wave 2.

Oh, I'm sure it was and I didn't read it carefully enough. But an extra $50 to ship the just base game 9 months early, not even the X-Men part of the base game is just too much for me, I'll either try to get the difference refunded or apply it to another addon pack.

The additional amount to ship the base game early to the UK will cost about the same as the game will cost in retail stores here.

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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
it also looks like the retail version is going to be significantly cheaper ($50), but without a lot of the minis which are going standee/chits ?... so some of those who had kicked off and demanded refunds saying they were going to get it retail with free shipping are now finding that they can't (although since a lot of the expansions were not hitting retail anyway so i'm not convinced at lot of that outrage is real)

I think that's a new cut down version rather than the main retail version as it has a different name, similar to the intro level board games that GW release to Barnes & Noble. I expect the normal version will still get a retail release.

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Some Marvel Zombicide Heroes Resistance info was posted in the comments section by the developer. May pick up a copy for the slightly different (and compatible) dashboards and the new miniatures.

Hello everyone! So, I've noticed some information out there in regards to the Heroes' Resistance box and, being the designer of it, I'd like to try and clarify some points, as the amount of misinformation I'm seeing in various places is just... well, pretty high... though understandable.

First, aside from the box cover, I have yet to see any game images on ANY site that have been correct. In fact, a number of images posted on various retailer sites seems to just be random assets thrown up. An example being one site that posted a Zombie Hulk game piece and a Zombie Captain America Dashboard as being in the box - nether of which are (details below!). So, first and foremost, while I personally don't know why and/or how some of these things are being posted, I would take them all entirely with a grain of salt until official word hits the web (and before anyone asks, we, as a company, don't have much control over what independent retailers post to their sites).

Beyond that, I've seen lots of questions out there based on this inaccurate information that further confuse people, essentially having turned things into one big game of telephone where the bad game info leads to more bad info. So let's nip that immediately with a few points:

1. Heroes' Resistance is a direct-to-retail/mass market product by Spin Master Games, with specific focus towards creating a more compact and approachable version of the standard Marvel Zombies Core Box. None of the rules or mechanics are different from the "standard" version of the game.

2. Most components inside are direct copies or modifications of things that exist mainly in the core boxes. E.g., the tiles are the same art (though there are less tiles total than in the standard core), the zombies and bystanders are standees using new zombie artwork, with only the Super and Zombie Heroes appearing as game pieces, though with different designs. There are no plastic player dashboards (replaced with spinners and trackers), and overall card counts have been cut down to reflect the smaller scope of the product.

3. The ID cards for the Super Heroes in the game ARE cross-compatible and feature slightly modified skillsets.

4. The game ONLY FEATURES HERO MODE. This is a big one because some outlets list that it come with both Zombie and Hero mode - It does not. It's Hero Mode only. There are zero cross-compatible components for playing in Zombie Mode (i.e. no Zombie Cap ID cards, as mentioned above).

5. The game is for 1-4 players, instead of 6 like the the standard game.

6. For the scope of this product - It's not a replacement for the X-Men Resistance Core Box, nor should it be viewed as a "lesser" product. It is simply a different product with a different scope compared to a typical Core Box. Having one doesn't invalidate the other, just depends on what you, as an individual, are after- the full Zombicide experience with nice game pieces, large maps, tons of variety & options, and bigger missions, or a version that, due to its smaller scope and streamlined components, offers a concise and condensed Zombicide experience.

Finally, one other item I want to address, which ties into point number 6, are the concerns about the X-Men Core Box going to retail. While there can be absolutely no guarantees in regards to anything with the state of... well, the world... at the moment, we laid out our plans specifically listing what was and was not Kickstarter Exclusive and nothing has changed since then. Yes, its happened elsewhere in the past that some items received only limited releases and quantities, or didn't make it to retail at all, but by and large most everything we do not list as KS Exclusive eventually makes it to retail. Again, I can't speak on this in depth, or say this is absolutely going to be the case, because it's literally not my department, and I would never want to put words in other people's mouths, but I can say our plans have not changed.

So, I do hope some of that has clarified things for people who are rightly asking questions because of the bad info posted out there. I've definitely seen a number of things that have led to incorrect assumptions being made, and I hope this helped to clear a few things up. I'm sure some better, more official statement is being prepped and is coming, but in the meantime I wanted to share the above.

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On discussion on postage / production costs. This just came through to Vampire The Masquerade Chapters Kickstarter. They are short 200k cad $ to ship the game. Have option to purchase new card pack addon to bridge the gap but if not enough take up then they will require all backers to pay the shortfall.

As you already know, the worldwide situation is extremely tense, complex, and fragile. Prices for freight almost quadrupled and shipping and raw material have exploded too. Since the end of the Kickstarter campaign, the pricing of paper and cardboard increased by 52%.

We have used all the funds of the project to create, develop, and produce the game. We have precisely and exactly the amount required to pay for all the production.

However, the portion of the shipping you already paid for now only covers a part of the total cost of shipping. As stated during the Kickstarter campaign, FLYOS does not make/create any profit on the shipping.

The whole logistical chain is so stuck, and prices so volatile, that what was quoted last year is now not enough. FLYOS cannot support such an increase on its own without terrible choices to make. There are too many factors outside of our control affecting the finance of this project: Inflation, gas, containers, and shipping.

Today, FLYOS needs 200,000$ (CAD) to pay for every step of the logistical chain to ensure that you receive your pledge in a reliable way. This represents an average of $25 (CAD) per backer.

HELP

In order to face this challenge, we want to offer the possibility to help us fill this gap by a voluntary contribution. No one likes to be forced to pay more for something already paid for, we understand that.

The pledge manager is reopened for a short period of time. There are 3 available options:

Get the “Item Cards Booster”. This set of 12 unique cards for Vampire: The Masquerade — CHAPTERS are items that will enhance and ease your gaming experience. It has been designed specifically for this extraordinary situation.
Purchase additional add-ons. If you can add a set of dice, card sleeves, or any other element, this makes a huge difference. Remember that add-ons won’t be sold in retail,
Add some voluntary contributions (tips)

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I’m glad we are getting more Death May Die although I suspect VAT + shipping is going to be a killer with the current exchange rate.

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That version of Marvel Zombies isn't the retail edition of the Kickstarter, that will come later.

Instead it's a smaller separate intro game called "Marvel Zombies: Heroes’ Resistance". You play as the heroes (6 to pick from) and has 4 zombie heroes. All new sculpts and stat cards (stat cards are simplified but compatible with the main game). Has 4 tiles so smaller map sizes.

CMON have put up the first digital mission for it on the website this week as well so will hopefully get ongoing digital support.

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Azazelx wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
That version of Marvel Zombies isn't the retail edition of the Kickstarter, that will come later.

Instead it's a smaller separate intro game called "Marvel Zombies: Heroes’ Resistance". You play as the heroes (6 to pick from) and has 4 zombie heroes. All new sculpts and stat cards (stat cards are simplified but compatible with the main game). Has 4 tiles so smaller map sizes.

CMON have put up the first digital mission for it on the website this week as well so will hopefully get ongoing digital support.

Are they the same sculpts as the KS, or alternate ones?

All are alternate sculpts but some are not that different to the KS sculpts.

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Cthulhu may die has had poor selection of miniatures with the graphic novels twice now. At least it looks like there is an enemy figure this time around rather than only heroes.

Still has less than half of the contents of the Black Plague book figure set.

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Just seen that the CDMD book does come with two lost episode boxes as well which are not pictured (assuming they are just missions / cards rather than new monsters but still better than what’s pictured).

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It looks like there wont be a good for Zombicide Invader this time, instead the Android book will come with cards to use the models with Invader -

Surprised to see a Dust one given the issues the game has had over last few years, as far as I know it was cancelled in September last year, however this is a new logo and a new name (Dust rather than Dust 1947), so is this actually a new game (reskinned CDMD?) -

So, with 8 titles coming out, it looks like the selection will be -

Zombicide 2nd Edition - Models not yet revealed

Zombicide Black Plague- 15 miniatures and custom scenario

2 x Twilight Imperium - 12 exclusive ships and 8 coloured bases

Cthulhu: Death May Die - 7 models, 2 Lost Episode boxes

Android - 6 models - 7 models and scenario for Zombicide Invader (looks like no game content for any Android games but believe they may all be out of print currently anyway)

Hate (2 volume reprint of existing comics in slip case) - 2 (slightly larger) models

Dust - 8 models (includes rules but unclear if for the old cancelled skirmish game or new unannounced game)

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So, that comes to the expected 8 volumes (counting the 2 Hate books as one due to them coming in a slipcase). It's not clear if Twilight count as one or two books out of the 8 as they seem to come together, so we may still have one more book to be announced. Given that they are reprinting Hate, there is a very slim chance they could do a reprint of Marvel Zombies with some exclusive models ahead of the Marvel Zombicide release.

Shame they haven't shared the Zombicide 2nd Edition contents yet.

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Thanks. I looked all over the CMONFacebook and Twitter pages and couldn’t see any sign of that image.

CMON have confirms that Twilight count as one book rather than two, so there is still one final announcement to come.

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Final set is Zombicide Invader (7 models including 2 large), so they get two sets of models (Android book models are for Invader as well).

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Monkeysloth wrote:
Just noticed the Android comic. What's up with FFG stuff via CMoN?

I also really doubt I'll end up ordering any of these unless it's a really good price as I just don't care about the comics at all.

Twilight Imperium is also FFG.

Amodee own FFG and CMON have been closely linked with the distribution side of Asmodee in NA for a few years now so possibly coming from that relationship.

Not 100% certain about Dust as the rights were up in the air. FFG had the rights to them a long time ago and can’t see them going after them again so CMON probably picked them up.

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I suspect it will be a dungeon crawler or reskinned Death may Die rather than a proper wargame.

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I am finding it really hard to get motivated with this one. Marvel had put in restrictions (no zombie Spider-Man or any Punisher models for example) but DC not allowing a zombie mode already reduces the content massively.

I wasn’t a fan of the original Dceased comic but did enjoy the later spin offs and sequels more which I suspect are going to get paid addons later which may make me slightly more interested (especially if there is a Shadowpact expansion) but not sure will be enough for me to sign up with the postage and VAT costs.

Frustratingly, most of the Stretch goals so far appear to be for characters who did not feature in Dceased when there are so many characters from the actual comics which they should be including instead (assume it’s dictated from DC are can’t see CMON wanting to prioritise Miss Martian over Poison Ivy for example).

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Interesting that they are using Gamefound rather than Kickstarter, a first for CMON I believe.

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Unless I have missed them, they haven't included characters for Jon Kent Superman or Damien Wayne Batman which seems like a big omission considering they are the main characters in most of the Dceased stories.

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Ghool wrote:
Now Clash for Eternia has Syclone and Jitsu?!
I feel ripped off! I should have waited for this one…..

It says that you can order the two new models separately.

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Song of Ice and Fire Tactics is launching on 8th Feb and also using Gamefound.

Preview page is now up (follow for free dice tray if you back).

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/cmon/a-song-of-ice-fire-tactics#/section/project-story

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rybackstun wrote:
Wake me up when they add Bobby B.

He should be in this one as a 19-20 year old.

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CMON have posted first article which confirms a few of the characters included and some abilities.

https://cmon.com/news/keeping-true-to-the-books-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-tactics-design-diary?fbclid=IwAR241BMFU-HphtMAJxv87wxIyzbn25uwIehZ_DvS2IOGAKWjsfNXBFKtu28

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The initial comment was that you can use the miniature game models in tactics (guessing with purchase of character card packs) but that tactics figured won’t be comparable with the miniature game as that is strictly taking place following death of King Robert.

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If the new trailer is anything to go by there are either 6 additional addon boxes in the campaign as they show 8 boxes in the throne room at the end.

And preview campaign has been updated (we have terrain). Main pledge comes with Battle of the Trident, terrain and stretch goals, the first of which appears to be making up a Battle beneath the Wall box (exclusive to the campaign).

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chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm still not clear on what this is - its a new standalone game but cross compatible with the existing? Are these new models all getting rules or do they just become alt sculpts for other stuff?

It’s a new game but there will be some cross compatibility between the two. They would ideally like to make everything from the miniature game work in Tactics and everything in tactics work in the existing game but have admitted it may not be possible but will try.

Some of the models like the Baratheon wardens and stag knights are alt sculpts. Characters which already appear in the miniature game can be used as alt sculpts as well such as the Roose Bolton example.

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Campaign now live and first addon already available.

The big pledge comes with the battle beneath the wall terrain pack, the terrain pack for the battle of the trident is available as an addon.

It’s also possible to buy the cards and tiles from the Drogan expansion separately for $25 which is a nice touch.