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 dracpanzer wrote:

Do they let any of them wear the regalia of a Sororitas?

If by 'regalia' you mean power armor and bolter, no. Give them a laspistol and chainsword and you've got cheap melee chaff.

 dracpanzer wrote:

 John Prins wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:

 John Prins wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
Please squash forever the lazy idea of porting scouts to Sisters and calling them novitiates. 12 year old school girl nuns-to-be makes as much sense as Inquisitorial stormtroopers wearing shorts and ball caps looking for merit badges while they get murdered by everything.

Think of it more as 18-21 year old women that didn't quite make the devotional cut to become full SoB, but are still permitted to fight with inferior weapons and armor. Double bonus points if they're armed like Imperial Guard, as people could use them as female Imperial Guard.

So you can be put in to the Repentia for minor transgressions. But if you flat out fail to make the cut, martial or spiritual, you get to sully the field where true Martyrs shed their blood? No thanks.

Considering that every Imperial Guardsman takes the field with a fraction of the faith of even a failed Sister, yes. After all, the Emperor will let anyone die for Him, even abhumans!

Do they let any of them wear the regalia of a Sororitas? But of a difference between a guardsmen, ratling or ogryn and a Sororitas. I think the Sisters line would be better served by a unit that isn't just a girlie version of a different imperium unit. Its not like everyone is fielding Rievers, why would putting a S3 T3 1W sister with even two bolt pistols in power armor be a good thing? Novices like you guys want serve no purpose you cant get somewhere else with soup.

If we are going to get a different troop type, at least give them a new purpose. Repentia could be used for chaff. Frateris Militia could be used for chaff. Doing so doesn't break the fluff, and doesn't waste a possible new kit on a why bother unit. Besides BSS might just be cheap enough (if the SM point reductions are true) that we might not need that many cheap bodies.

Give me an interesting new unit, that has a chance to change the way I have been playing Sisters for over two decades. Not seraphim without jump packs in a troop slot. They took those from the Canoness, see how that went over?

I like the idea of Novices in the same way as i actually like the idea of Chapter Thralls as a unit. They were also in Shadowar so they are obviously thinking about them a bit.

New units
Bike unit with power spear/flamer combo (Guardian spear esque) would be cool I think.
Large Superheavy Shrine is kinda a must
Sniper would be nice (Not the flamer one ) - maybe a character

Love for them to explore the Tech aspect - who looks after and maintains their high tech stuff.

Here are some pie-in-the-sky ideas that I would love to see, but am fully aware will probably not happen:

Merge celestians and dominions - the former is a buffed battle sister that's buffed in the wrong areas, the latter is a sisters sternguard with a scout move. Give a unit that belongs in the elite slot the name it deserves.

Imperial vehicle variants - a land speeder storm would be incredibly useful for said dominions, the repressor makes more sense as a Chimera variant, lore-wise, bikes, fighters, land raiders, upgrade sprues everywhere!

Valid uses for Repentia as an affordable close-in combat unit in contrast to the wider army with its close-in but keep out of combat ethos.

Centurion suits for repressors. Take a second crack at the design keep the parts that work (the legs) rework the parts that don't.

 John Prins wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:

Do they let any of them wear the regalia of a Sororitas?

If by 'regalia' you mean power armor and bolter, no. Give them a laspistol and chainsword and you've got cheap melee chaff.

Cheaper Repentia I could agree too, I'd skip the pistol and give them a chainsword. Frateris Malitia are exactly the unit you are talking about. I'd be fine with that (guys, gals otherwise) but I'd think they'd be better off in a Ministorum slot with the priests.


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I like the idea of Novices in the same way as i actually like the idea of Chapter Thralls as a unit. They were also in Shadowar so they are obviously thinking about them a bit.

Though they had them as individuals within a squad of Sisters. I'm fine with that, would be great for Kill Team. No reason for them to be fielded as entire units though. Marine Scouts have a reason why they are fielded that way that doesn't apply to Sisters.

 Captain Joystick wrote:


Merge celestians and dominions - the former is a buffed battle sister that's buffed in the wrong areas, the latter is a sisters sternguard with a scout move. Give a unit that belongs in the elite slot the name it deserves.

I don't think Celestians need to get deleted, but their roles should get changed. They have never been good as a 'slightly better BSS'.
Take away their shooting role, give them shields and a power maul with ornate artificer armor, add Faith based squad enhancements, and there you go. Have their Faith abilities work turn by turn in close combat with similar mechanics to deathwatch ammo options. Facing hordes, have their hits multiply. Facing a monster, add strength. Facing elites, better AP, or a parry option to last longer in combat. Make Celestians awesome for a change.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Cheaper Repentia I ould agree too, I'd skip the pistol and give them a chainsword. Frateris Malitia are exactly the unit you are talking about. I'd be fine with that (guys, gals otherwise) but I'd think they'd be better off in a Ministorum slot with the priests.

The 3e zealots were written in that style, a horde of cheap melee chaff screening a handful of eviscerator wielders.
Though the current repentia eviscerator doesn't have the punch in small numbers to make that work.

A.T. wrote:

Though the current repentia eviscerator doesn't have the punch in small numbers to make that work.

I would handle that by givung the option ofr a suqd of Repentia to have access to an updated version of Repentia with more attacks call it the martyr. Fluff wise she would represent what happens when a repentia survives a long time like Celestine did before she turned into a Saint or what happens when a veteran Sister choses to become one.

Overall, Sister could use more close combat units like close combat Celestian, Jousting bikes, Valkyrie Seraphims, etc. (and a better weapon skill overall) since they fit well in the theme and esthetic of the army even if at the moment, close combat isn' exactly competitive.

I expect a few new (in plastic) kits and not much more.

I certainly do t expect radical shifts in roles, or a new horde style unit that will quickly become a mainstay of 'In-name-only Sisters' armies because they're a better points per model bargain.

A lynch mob and angry, riled-up fanatics would be an entertaining unit.

That said, I don't think it'll happen, and I don't see extensive value in adding such a unit to the game. It'll either be strictly worse than guardsmen, if they're equal in cost, or it'll be 3ppm and introduce a situation like Conscripts at the edition drop.

A.T. wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
Cheaper Repentia I ould agree too, I'd skip the pistol and give them a chainsword. Frateris Malitia are exactly the unit you are talking about. I'd be fine with that (guys, gals otherwise) but I'd think they'd be better off in a Ministorum slot with the priests.

The 3e zealots were written in that style, a horde of cheap melee chaff screening a handful of eviscerator wielders.
Though the current repentia eviscerator doesn't have the punch in small numbers to make that work.

I would prefer they were just cheaper, if losing the Eviscerator is required to make them cheap and they limit them in numbers to avoid spam shenannigans, fine, we currently can't field enough of them to be useful in anything but the luckiest of circumstances (I play them all the time). They hit like a truck, but usually never last long enough to do so.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
A lynch mob and angry, riled-up fanatics would be an entertaining unit.

That said, I don't think it'll happen, and I don't see extensive value in adding such a unit to the game. It'll either be strictly worse than guardsmen, if they're equal in cost, or it'll be 3ppm and introduce a situation like Conscripts at the edition drop.

Agreed. It would be terrible to waste a brand new kit on such a unit. Will never get my vote.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Though they had them as individuals in a squad of Sisters. I'm fine with that, would be great fir Kill Team. No reason for them to be fielded as entire units though. Marine Scouts have a reason why they are fielded that way that doesn't apply to Sisters.

Somewhere between Crusader squads and the old Commissar Training Squads.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
A lynch mob and angry, riled-up fanatics would be an entertaining unit.

That said, I don't think it'll happen, and I don't see extensive value in adding such a unit to the game. It'll either be strictly worse than guardsmen, if they're equal in cost, or it'll be 3ppm and introduce a situation like Conscripts at the edition drop.

I think it would add something to the game. Mob mentality rules, must move toward and charge closest enemy unit. Double morale losses. Dirt cheap, very easy to kill but can overwhelm things if they aren't dealt with. No ObSec. Also make sure the minimum squad size costs more than minimum sized BSS so people don't just take 90 points of mobs to fill out battalions, or just make them not count as a unit selection.

I'm not saying it would be my first choice of new units, but I think it would be useful. If given the option I'd prefer more Sisters kits, but an angry mob would add some flavor.

While I won't turn down new units, I don't have a place in my army, and I wager most of us don't, for a melee chaff unit that's slower than the majority of the units that it's protecting.

And since I will definitely not make room for a melee chaff unit at the same cost of a ranged chaff unit, they'd have to be cheaper than Guardsmen... and as we saw from Conscripts, 3 points for a wound is just kind of broken, in a serious way.


And, as before mentioned, because the units that said angry mob would be screening cross the no-man's land on the first turn, and are going towards the enemy, they won't be able to screen their charges effectively. We don't have a use for a big chaff unit that's slower than the units they're guarding, so they would exclusively be an alternate choice for Guardsmen in Imperial lists, and, of course, if they're more than 40points per squad, they're worse than Guardsmen because they're melee and they don't farm CP's as cheaply, and therefore largely worthless to both us and the meta at large.

It would be "fluffy", though, but I'd rather new units be useful in Sisters armies.
Sisters cannot form a viable gunline in like any circumstance. Our effective threat range is equal to that of a cqc-focused army.

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:


Merge celestians and dominions - the former is a buffed battle sister that's buffed in the wrong areas, the latter is a sisters sternguard with a scout move. Give a unit that belongs in the elite slot the name it deserves.

I don't think Celestians need to get deleted, but their roles should get changed. They have never been good as a 'slightly better BSS'.
Take away their shooting role, give them shields and a power maul with ornate artificer armor, add Faith based squad enhancements, and there you go.

I'd love to see this, and/or power halberds to make Swiss-Guard Sisters. Call them Shrine Guardians and you're GTG.

 John Prins wrote:

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:


Merge celestians and dominions - the former is a buffed battle sister that's buffed in the wrong areas, the latter is a sisters sternguard with a scout move. Give a unit that belongs in the elite slot the name it deserves.

I don't think Celestians need to get deleted, but their roles should get changed. They have never been good as a 'slightly better BSS'.
Take away their shooting role, give them shields and a power maul with ornate artificer armor, add Faith based squad enhancements, and there you go.

I'd love to see this, and/or power halberds to make Swiss-Guard Sisters. Call them Shrine Guardians and you're GTG.

well in fairness the swiss guard equivilant in 40k is proably more the custodes.

If the Elite section gets expanded with more units, would it make sense for Repentia to become Troops and re-costed/re-balanced accordingly?

Also, if we get new vehicles, could we also get an Enginseer/Techmarine equivalent to fix them up? At the very least as a unique unit choice for one of the Orders, fluffed as the influence of people who though that the Moirae forgeworld folks had a good point about the Ministorum/Mechanicus union.

 John Prins wrote:

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:


Merge celestians and dominions - the former is a buffed battle sister that's buffed in the wrong areas, the latter is a sisters sternguard with a scout move. Give a unit that belongs in the elite slot the name it deserves.

I don't think Celestians need to get deleted, but their roles should get changed. They have never been good as a 'slightly better BSS'.
Take away their shooting role, give them shields and a power maul with ornate artificer armor, add Faith based squad enhancements, and there you go.

I'd love to see this, and/or power halberds to make Swiss-Guard Sisters. Call them Shrine Guardians and you're GTG.

Sounds very cool

Oh man, I just had a totally pie-in-the-sky, wishlisting idea for a Penitent Engine revamp.

Build a kit with three gun arms (two that are double autocannons, and a rocket pod), three melee arms (two claws and a chainfist) and a choice of three shoulder guns (flamer, melta, heavy bolter) and use it for three different entries/slots.

If it has two melee arms (+shoulder gun) it becomes Fast Attack and gets to re-roll charges (or add/drop a die, depending on army bonuses). Or maybe deployment options?

If it has two gun arms (+shoulder gun) it becomes Heavy Support and gets +1 to hit if it didn't move (or +1 on it's armor save, depending on army bonuses)

If it has one of each arm (+shoulder gun) it counts as an Elite choice and gets to re-roll one die per turn.

That way one (bigish) kit can be a lot of different things thematically, and fill a bunch of different detachment slots. They would be visually distinctive to their role/bonus, and if they put in some extra heads and make the hips and shoulders poseable you could have a dozen on the table and they would all look great! And who doesn't want a table full of Penitent Engines?

Then it would just be a twin auto-cannon dreadnought.

It's already basically a fragile and crappy dreadnought, but as a melee-focused suicide-walker it at least fits with it's theme.


Additional ranged support is obviously a good thing, but I'd rather it not have autocannons, and not be a penitent engine. Standing back and raining fire down fire from afar isn't conducive to redemption through self-sacrifice. Also, I don't like autocannons, and have generally been entirely unsatsified with autocannon-armed units [excepting the Predator and Armiger Helverin, which have special super-autocannons].

Obviously, lascannons aren't our thing, and the exorcist is somewhat unique in its loadout. I think that, as far as ranged support goes, we kind of need something that's S9 or higher and can stick unpleasantness onto Knights.


Also, the Exorcist should be D6 damage, like other missile launchers. There's a balance that a vehicle needs to achieve, and while I generally prefer cheap to being souped up, in the case of the Exorcist and Vindicator I'd rather pay more points for a better gun, because they're too non-threatening for their cost. While they're probably appropriately costed, resilience isn't worth it if you're not threatening enough to be shot at.

Alot depends on if this is a Adeptus Ministorium Codex or a Adepta Sororitas Codex.

They did split them in the Index.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Alot depends on if this is a Adeptus Ministorium Codex or a Adepta Sororitas Codex.

They did split them in the Index.

I personnaly hope for an Adeptus Sororitas Codex. While I'm not uninterested in a bunch of rabbit flagellants, priests, witch hunters and penitent engins, I am much more interested in the paladin-like Sisters. I would like GW to focus most of its efforts on them and keep the Ministorum units for a potential release alongside Inquisitors of the four main Ordos. I don't especially mix the two, I think the Ministorum units make a better mix with guardsmen.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Here are some pie-in-the-sky ideas that I would love to see, but am fully aware will probably not happen:

Merge celestians and dominions - the former is a buffed battle sister that's buffed in the wrong areas, the latter is a sisters sternguard with a scout move. Give a unit that belongs in the elite slot the name it deserves.

With the Ro3 already kicking us in the teeth I don't want to see anything merged in to anything. Dominions should stay in the Fast Attack slot like they have always been. Vanguard is powerful, especially with the Repressor, and makes me hope they don't get crushed with the new dex.

Celestians have always been a stinker unit for Sisters. I think they would be a great unit at the same price with 1 less attack, condemnor boltguns as their standard weapon with Angelic Visage and the unit counts as a character for Martyrdom purposes. Somehow making them capable of generating an AoF even if just for themselves or penalties for nearby psykers every turn would be icing on the cake.

I would of course be happy if they just gave them the ability to buy wargear like the 7ed IA book Canoness Command Squad. Perfect tool box unit that fits the fluff and would allow them to be built to suit whatever you like.

Imperial vehicle variants - a land speeder storm would be incredibly useful for said dominions, the repressor makes more sense as a Chimera variant, lore-wise, bikes, fighters, land raiders, upgrade sprues everywhere!

Flying or hovering pulpit could be very cool. Dunno about giving it to Dominions, but a Canoness, Imagifer and some Retributors able to keep up with Seraphim would be nice. Servo skulls hanging around like Tau shield drones....

Valid uses for Repentia as an affordable close-in combat unit in contrast to the wider army with its close-in but keep out of combat ethos.

They're just too expensive now. Even if you want them to retain the baby eviscerator they aren't worth the cost of a standard BSS. I usually put a squad of 3 in a Repressor with a melta BSS squad, repeat till you have three. Running with a Canoness, Imagifer and Mistress in the open slots, you can get a decent kick in turn two. They just eat up too many points. If they could accompany a squad without blowing up the original squads special rules (like vanguard) they might see some field time.

Centurion suits for repressors. Take a second crack at the design keep the parts that work (the legs) rework the parts that don't.

I think it might work better within the Sisters aesthetic and fluff to take a bit different track than Centurions. Split the hoped for plastic PenEngine between its classic mode we all know and love and a dual version where a Sororitas in good standing is in the same walker like a churchy sentinal with a weapon loadout something like a heavy bolter up top with a heavy flamer or meltagun. The girl just isn't strapped to the front of it.

and some actual news:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/02/2nd-nov-the-blood-glory-studio-preview-roundup-extravaganzagw-homepage-post-1/

As if that wasn’t enough, Chapter Approved 2018 will also feature a beta codex for the Adepta Sororitas! This is quite possibly Warhammer 40,000’s most anticipated codex ever, and we want to make sure we absolutely nail it, so, alongside our usual rigorous professional playtesting, we’re asking you to help us out and provide your thoughts.

Make no mistake – while this is a beta codex, it’s a fully fledged one that offers the Adepta Sororitas more options and more cool stuff than ever before, allowing you (for the first time EVER) to represent the unique tactics of various orders with unique Orders Militant Convictions. The Order of the Bloody Rose, for instance, are zealous close combat specialists:

Vid has a Penitent Engine so looks like they are in the Codex so not just Sisters........

Strength and attacks make a big difference for eviscerator wielders - especially if the canoness gets a jump-pack back.

Stratagem is a questionable use of a command point IMO.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Vid has a Penitent Engine so looks like they are in the Codex so not just Sisters........

Blackstone fortress preview had what looked like a confessor and... some kind of halo wearing chainsaw flamer loon.

A.T. wrote:
Strength and attacks make a big difference for eviscerator wielders - especially if the canoness gets a jump-pack back.

Stratagem is a questionable use of a command point IMO.

I disagree, the start allows you to deep strike in and immediatly open fire, hitting at a range of 12 with flamers, that's not too bad, it's situational but I suspect clever commanders will get good use of it. obviously the points cost of seraphems is gonna be the deciding factor.

A.T. wrote:
Strength and attacks make a big difference for eviscerator wielders - especially if the canoness gets a jump-pack back.

Stratagem is a questionable use of a command point IMO.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Vid has a Penitent Engine so looks like they are in the Codex so not just Sisters........

Blackstone fortress preview had what looked like a confessor and... some kind of halo wearing chainsaw flamer loon.

Loyalist or not? She looks great - could be new Repentia?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Loyalist or not? She looks great - could be new Repentia?

She is a dead ringer style-wise for the old repentia from Citadel Journal 49, back when they were lone models that were joined to squads rather than squads in their own right.

 Mr Morden wrote:

A.T. wrote:
Strength and attacks make a big difference for eviscerator wielders - especially if the canoness gets a jump-pack back.

Stratagem is a questionable use of a command point IMO.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Vid has a Penitent Engine so looks like they are in the Codex so not just Sisters........

Blackstone fortress preview had what looked like a confessor and... some kind of halo wearing chainsaw flamer loon.

Loyalist or not? She looks great - could be new Repentia?

They both look badass

 Mr Morden wrote:
Blackstone fortress preview had what looked like a confessor and... some kind of halo wearing chainsaw flamer loon.

Whoever she is, I want her desperately. I love that model. GW may have convinced me to make a Sisters army with a single image...

BrianDavion wrote:
I disagree, the start allows you to deep strike in and immediatly open fire, hitting at a range of 12 with flamers, that's not too bad

It gives you a deepstrike attack of ~21 S4 hits and ~8 S3 hits.

My local opponents field a fair amount of deathguard, knights, mech DE, etc - I guess i'm not sure what i'd aim it, or whether it's worth losing the inferno pistols for.