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 SHUPPET wrote:

Spoletta wrote:Tyranid best: Impaler Guards

Extremely efficient shooting, good in all situations and great stratagem. Probably going to get a nerf.

Worst: Spore Mines

10 points for a melee T1 1W no save speed 3" model, which dies if it attacks. Not a troop. Can deepstrike but at more than 12" so it cannot charge after deepstrike.
Probably worst model in the game.

gotta say I think I disagree with all the statements you made here lol






anyway CSM dex is tough to call. Cultists are obviously great but Abaddon is so powerful that he alone makes BL the most powerful legion in the Dex.

Worst is Mutilators. Overpriced terminators who are already ridiculously priced, and then forced to CC with a very limited target profile, and even that is completely unreliable and has a million ways to fail. So bad.

If you all disagree with spore mines being absolutely the worst of the worst, then it is probably my huge disappointment acting up. I really really like spore mines.

They are bad but not "the worst of the worst". Not in a dex with Tyrannocytes, Haruspex, Tyrant Guard, Maleceptor, and Tervigon's. I disagree even stronger that Hive Guard are the best unit or are going to get nerfed. They are good but aren't even seen consistently currently in competitive Nids.

guard
best-knight commander pask punisher 20 s5 shots on an 2+ with using one of his TWO orders can reroll 1s just 10pts more tghan normal tank commander


worst ministorum priest
bad buffs only is good for close cambat but its in a ranged army

Dark Eldar:

Best - Ravager. Just an all-round efficient gunboat.

Most Improved - Mandrakes. Actually decent for the first time since I started playing. In fact, I really wish they had some sort of HQ option. A mercenary HQ other than godawful Drazhar would be much appreciated.

Worst - the Archon. So this is the main HQ of the faction, the one who's supposed to be in overall command of the various subfactions... and he's limited to buffing Kabal units. And for those who are unaware, this means that he can buff all of 1 Troop unit and 1 Index Elite unit. In theory he can also buff the Court of the Archon... except that they buff themselves more by being near him, so his aura is worthless. What's more, Kabal are based around shooting from inside transports, yet there is no allowance for the Archon's aura to work even on models embarked on the same transport he's on (hell, he can't even buff himself when embarked). Likewise, even if he disembarks, there's no allowance for his aura to work into nearby transports. So all he can really buff is vehicles. Except that he - the leader of what is ostensibly a fast faction - does not have a single mobility option to his name. So even if you want him to just buff vehicles, then he'll either slow them down or else fail to keep up with them.

Oh, and he also went up 10pts from the Index. Because of course he did.

And before anyone brings them up, yes, Dark Eldar has some nice artefacts and warlord traits. But an HQ should not *need* artefacts and warlord traits just to be worth a damn. Not least because there simply aren't enough to go around.

Is it really too much to ask that the HQ section of Dark Eldar not be a bucket of manure?

 Insectum7 wrote:

The Newman wrote:

 Corrode wrote:
Drop Pods can't be the worst unit in the Space Marine book, because Dev Centurions exist, which are the worst unit in the game.

Centurion Devastators can't be the worst unit in the game, because the Hunter exists.

...a 60" Lascannon with the AA bonus but no penalty on a T8 chassis with 11 wounds for the same cost as a Tac squad with a Lascannon. With the option to take two bolters and a one-shot Krak missile for another 8 points. The fact that tank doesn't look so bad in the Marine arsenal when I stop to think about it is kind of awful.

+1 against fliers and a reroll to hit, double the wounds and toughness of the Tac Squad. Weird comparison.

Basically the same points though. If you're looking at your fourth Tac squad you have the option to throw in similar firepower with a completely different defensive profile instead.

SW best: Stormfang Gunship
SW worst: too many units, basically all the primaris stuff, some useless tanks and some elite non named characters that may work with SM.

Drukhari best: Ravagers with disintegrator cannons.
Drukhari worst: Court of the archon models.

Orks best: Warboss with relic PK
Orks worst: Stompa (worst unit in 40k actually).

Dark eldar
Best: Dissy Ravager
Worst: Drazhar

Complete and utter garbage of special character.

Sisters:
Best: Dominions
Worst: Celestians

Imperial Guard:
Best: Infantry Squads
Worst: Leman Russ Vanquisher

 Valkyrie wrote:

secretForge wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Knights
Best - Castellan

Worst - Paladin, not bad at all, but not as good as the others.


Custodes
Best - Vertus Praetors

Worst - Allarus Terminators or Wardens, both overcosted compared to Vertus and regular Custodes respectively.

Has someone forgotten the existence of contemptor dreads and land raiders?

Fair point, they still add something to the army however, despite them being overcosted, you do get anti-tank firepower and a transport. Allarus and Wardens don't provide anything that can't already be done by Vertus or Custodes for cheaper.

I highly suspect Vertus will go up in points in CA, but for them to be useful at all, Allarus will have to go down, I would also make their weapon more reliable with 3 shots instead of D3, and Wardens to get something else besides 6+ FNP and an extra attack to justify their use.

Considering experimental rules the Coronus is way worse than the Land Raider; it's 370pts as opposed to 400pts and for that gets half the lascannons, a 3+ armour save, a 6+ Invulnerable save, fewer Wounds, and Fly.

DA
Best: plasma inceptors. however, azrael is a serious runner-up, because 4++ in area and a good WT really helps

Worst: servitors? all of what they do, Devastators simply do better for a bit more

Necrons:

Best: Scarabs
Worst: Lychguard

Reasoning:
Scarabs are fast moving, low profile multi-wound models that are wonderfully cheap. You can use them to hold objectives, screen units, deny areas from your opponent or tie up enemy units due to their multiple wounds. They are not the best at killing things, they are the best at providing a tactical advantage - especially with their low profile making it very difficult to draw line of sight.

Lychguard suck. I'll explain just for balance but keep in mind, they suck. First of all, they are too slow. Secondly, they have no ranged options. Thirdly, if you are using them as bodyguard to an overlord, you are using them wrong. Forth, their shields only give a 4+ invulnerable, yet cost far, far more than a Space Marine storm shield with a 3+ invulnerable save. Fifth, and the single biggest reason to never use them - they are far too expensive to field - unless you like to waste points.

I may have to reconsider my choice for the worst Guard unit, as I was just reminded that wyrdvane squads exist. A unit so bad that I forgot about them.

Thousand Sons

Best : Ahriman / Daemon Prince. The former gets +1 to cast and 3 spells, what an Exalted should have basically. The latter gets tons of free stuff. Both are mandatory.

Worst : Scarab Occult Terminators. They're actually worse than Rubric Marines... Which are the second worst unit.

Let's see.

SM best:Bobby G or Scout Bikers, worst: Land Speeder, LSS, Dev Cents.

Death Guard best: Prince/PBC/Morty, worst: Lord of Contagion

Gray Knights best: GMDK, worst: lol

CSM best: Cultists, worst: for all the hate on Mutilators, I think the Defiler is worse. Mutilators have a small niche of DS and being a bully in a enclosed building or charging a Knight. The defiler is just garbage.

IG best: Infantry Squads, worst: Deathstrike no contest, the real worst unit in the game.

1K Sons best: Ahriman, worst: Scarab Termies

Daemons best: Prince, worst: Daemonettes

Sisters best: Celestine, worst: Canoness

Tau best: Commanders, worst: Krootox

Nids best: Hive Guard, worst: Tervigon

Custodes best: Bikes, worst: Land Raider

Dark Angels best: Hellblasters, worst same as SM

Wolves best: Runepriests?, worst Grimnar on the Sleigh, I don't care if it's actually decent.

Blood Angels best: Mephiston/Captain, worst same as SM

Ad Mech (not counting servitors or knights or Cawl)

Best: Kastelan Robots. Especially with triple Heavy Phosphor Blasters

Worst: Ruststalkers. Expensive and there entire gimmick just does not work that well. A little better with Ryza but not much.

Space marines (only primaris)

Best: Hellblasters.

Worst: Primaris Apothecary.