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Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Actually, following the flowchart doesn't even allow you to replace the rules for wargear on an Index data sheet as that stipulation is listed only under the case of using a Codex datasheet with Index wargear options.

HWIPI: Totally down with replacing any rules from an Index datasheet with equivalent rules from the Codex (such as wargear, abilities, and psychic powers), but that is not what the FAQ tells you to do.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
And the most recent datasheet for a Chaos Lord on Bike is...?

And the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline is?

In case of an index model, pg 10 of Index: Imperium 1.

We have sufficient proof that you may not use psychic powers from another book. You have failed to provide any proof at all besides your generous interpretation of a community article. An interpretation which directly contradicts rules documents and is therefore wrong.

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

For the Chaos Lord on Bike, the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are in the Index.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

Where's the latest rules for the Dark Herticus Discipline-or, at least, before CSM II came out.

It was in the Daemons Codex, and had half the powers. Does that mean that, until CSM II came out, Sorcerers were stuck with half the powers?

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

For the Chaos Lord on Bike, the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are in the Index.

False.

The most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are not in the Index.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

For the Chaos Lord on Bike, the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are in the Index.

False.

The most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are not in the Index.

The rules for the Librarius Discipline a Chaos Lord on Bike is.

I will agree to disagree.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

For the Chaos Lord on Bike, the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are in the Index.

False.

The most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are not in the Index.

The rules for the Librarius Discipline a Chaos Lord on Bike is.

I will agree to disagree.

False, The rules for the Librarius Discipline is not in the codex at all, no matter what datasheet you are using. To say that the Librarius Discipline in the index is most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline is demonstrably false.

You can disagree all you want, but in doing so you are not "using the most recent rules and Datasheets" when they literally tell you to do so.

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can disagree all you want, but in doing so you are not "using the most recent rules and Datasheets" when they literally tell you to do so.

Except I am using "the most recent rules and Datasheets" for a Chaos Lord on Bike, which are the rules in the Index. Again, it all comes down to what exactly most recent means, does it mean Most recent for that datasheet or most recent rules that happen to have the same name regardless of publication.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can disagree all you want, but in doing so you are not "using the most recent rules and Datasheets" when they literally tell you to do so.

Except I am using "the most recent rules and Datasheets" for a Chaos Lord on Bike, which are the rules in the Index. Again, it all comes down to what exactly most recent means, does it mean Most recent for that datasheet or most recent rules that happen to have the same name regardless of publication.

False, you are not using "the most recent rules". So yea. pretend all you want, but if you are not using the Librarius Discipline from the Codex Astartes, you 1000% are not using "the most recent rules".

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can disagree all you want, but in doing so you are not "using the most recent rules and Datasheets" when they literally tell you to do so.

Except I am using "the most recent rules and Datasheets" for a Chaos Lord on Bike, which are the rules in the Index. Again, it all comes down to what exactly most recent means, does it mean Most recent for that datasheet or most recent rules that happen to have the same name regardless of publication.

False, you are not using "the most recent rules". So yea. pretend all you want, but if you are not using the Librarius Discipline from the Codex Astartes, you 1000% are not using "the most recent rules".

By that logic you cannot use Codex Space Marines Rhinos because "the most recent rules" for Rhinos are in Codex: Space Wolves.

You can't have it both ways.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

Citation please.

We know to use the Codex datasheets over the Index datasheets because the FAQ tells us to do so. The same goes for the datasheets in Chapter Approved 2018 (which tells us to use in place of those from earlier publications). The same is true for wargear rules.

Please cite the rule that tells us to use the Codex Psychic Powers list over those in the Index for Index datasheets.

Well, he cant, he is refusing to do so for three pages and keeps claiming his interpretation of a vaguely phrased community article is right despite directly contradicting actual rules.

At this point there are two truths:
1) Index datasheets use index rules unless something says otherwise.
2) DeathReaper will refuse admit that he is wrong.

The psychic power tables are explicit on who can use them. Surprised this is even a discussion.

Why admit you're wrong when you're right?

 alextroy wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Irrelevant. There is no rule telling or allowing you to replace the Index rules for Psychic powers (which are not wargear) with those from the Codex.

Incorrect, the rules assume "that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets" Therefore it is not Irrelevant, since the most recent rules for the Librarius Discipline are where again?

Citation please.

We know to use the Codex datasheets over the Index datasheets because the FAQ tells us to do so. The same goes for the datasheets in Chapter Approved 2018 (which tells us to use in place of those from earlier publications). The same is true for wargear rules.

Please cite the rule that tells us to use the Codex Psychic Powers list over those in the Index for Index datasheets.

In all future publications and official events though, it will be assumed that you’re using the most recent rules and Datasheets. It will also be assumed that you’re using the most up to date points for matched play, in this case, those included in the codex."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

That isn't rules or FAQs. And even if it was, the most recent rules and Datasheets for a Chaos Lord on Bike are in the index.

Again-for months, the latest publication that had the Darkness Hereticus discipline was Codex Daemons.

Did that mean that CSM Sorcerers lost half their powers?

This has gone around in circles for long enough, I think.

Discuss with your opponent if it's likely to be an issue.

Moving on.