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epronovost wrote:

 Hawky wrote:
Changing established things to pander to SJWs never went wrong. Never.

It produced the best Mad Max movie though

Come to think of it, I can't remember a big franchise that crashed because they added women, non-white people and non-heterosexual people in their story.

No franchise ever crashed because they added characters that happened to be female, not white or non-heterosexual.

They have crashed because they added women, non whites and non-heterosexuals that happened to be characters. Getting woke and going broke is the order of the day.

The Primarchs are an interesting case because they are living aspects of war and that's basically all we are shown, except rivalry, aspiration and brotherhood. You could make the case that they are asexual and certainly there's no evidence they produced offspring sexually.

Are they even capable of sexual reproduction with humans? There's an argument that Astartes might be, as they are modified human boys, but primarchs were created from the Emperor's tissue samples and cosmic energy. If they are so far removed from the human stock that they are incapable of fertilising a woman, it would seem that they are a different (sub?)species all together, not humanity made huge and immortal.

In that case, any physical attraction they felt for a human, male or female would be biologically equivalent to attraction to holes in a fence or fenrisian wolves. It wouldn't be accurate to equate any of this to same sex attraction or heterosexuality. In fact it would be nightmarish had Emperor given them human sexual appetites that could never be realised, then immortality.

When I look at the Primarch's I see 18 completely different and diverse characters. You have the Egyptian space wizard and the viking berserker, one with completely jet black skin and one without pigmentaton, but there is also much more than colour that define diversity like one who is literally defined by his religious beliefs and others that completely defy it, some fight for the good of humanity some fight just to torture and despoil, some see the future and build towards a better one and some are tortured by their past. I would personally say that the primarchs are diverse enough and retconning them just to pander to SJW outliers will ruin the fluff.

Rob Lee wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
I am generally against the changing/retconning a mythology for socio-political reasons.

I'd also note that there wouldn't be any potential issue if the primarchs had remained more of a mystery.

Also, the primarchs ARE diverse. The diversity just isn't skin color or gender, but their entire purpose in the lore seems to be different representations of martial personality/leadership. In a sense, they are diverse in deeper ways that matter to the story rather than diverse in a more fundamentally superficial way.

Ehh, that's going to be controversial, but that's my take about it at the moment.

Totally agree. Companies today largely only do things, like for example making Captain Marvel a woman,

Carol Danvers was made Captain Marvel this decade. the original "Mar Vell" Captain Marvel (whom the character is closely related too) died in a graphic novel in 1982. (and was replaced by Monica Rambeau so isn't even the first woman with the title) so she's hardly some random divisity subsituion. in fact narratively her taking the title of Captain Marvel actually makes a LOT of sense.
All of which you'd know if you actually knew about the comics.

ohh and Miles Morales was introduced in the Ultimates universe and proved so popular he was actually ported over.

A few years ago, I would have said a firm no but at this point I cant really say I'd care.
I personally didnt like what they did with Magnus and Morty as models, rumours of WolfRuss, Curze and Sangy possibly coming back and other potential retcons have left me feeling simply "meh, do whatever you like as you obviously dont care about the old fluff I grew up on"

40k universe is about bringing swords to gun and space magic fights and winning.

The only colour that matters is what's on your amour, not what's underneath!

(Still hunting for that DAMN purple Ork!)

this is just politics.