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There used to be a time where rule quotes were used to argue points on YMDC...

Burna Bommer wrote:Crash and Burn: If this model is reduced to 0 wounds, roll a D6 before removing it from the battlefield. On a 4+ it crashes in a fiery explosion, and each unit within 6" suffers 3 mortal wounds.

Dakkajet wrote:Crash and Burn: If this model is reduced to 0 wounds, roll a D6 before removing it from the battlefield. On a 6 it crashes and explodes, and each unit within 6" suffers D3 mortal wounds.

Trukk wrote:Explodes: If this model is reduced to 0 wounds, roll a D6 before removing it from the battlefield and before any embarked models disembark. On a 6 it explodes, and each unit within 6" suffers D3 mortal wounds.

@DeathReaper: The stratagem triggers when a VEHICLE explodes. Most of the rules clearly state when vehicles explode. Please provide proof that the name is used instead of the rule which explicitly says that a unit explodes.The only slightly ambiguous one is the burna bommer.

How are there 3 pages on this...

You're not going to have any people wiling to play you if you try pull some stupid raw inconsistency on this to prevent vehicles exploding/crashing/blowing up in a shower of flaming debris of death etc. on a 3 or more..

If you ask me that's a good start. It punishes tight castles and plays mind games with opponent to affect their deploy/ manouvering. Very alpha legion. Excellent stuff!

 Argive wrote:
How are there 3 pages on this...

You're not going to have any people wiling to play you if you try pull some stupid raw inconsistency on this to prevent vehicles exploding/crashing/blowing up in a shower of flaming debris of death etc. on a 3 or more..

If you ask me that's a good start. It punishes tight castles and plays mind games with opponent to affect their deploy/ manouvering. Very alpha legion. Excellent stuff!

Everything past page 1 is not about what you just answered to.

Normally I'd agree that 3+ would make more explosion results, but even still, exploding on a natural 3 or 6 is still a 1/3 chance and isnt exactly out of place for a normal stratagem.

Could really go either way on this.

It seems to work on anything requiring less than a 6.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Normally I'd agree that 3+ would make more explosion results, but even still, exploding on a natural 3 or 6 is still a 1/3 chance and isnt exactly out of place for a normal stratagem.

Could really go either way on this.

It seems to work on anything requiring less than a 6.

That isn't how Explodes work. Adding +3 to the roll means a natural 6 won't explode.

Fortunately nothing in the rule specifies a natural 6

This is true. What it DOES specify is that you add 3 to the roll. And if something explodes on a 6, that means if you roll a 4 and add 3 to it, it's a 7. And doesn't explode, because it's not a 6. Basically, the Stratagem was written under the assumption that vehicles explode on n+, but a fair few of them don't include the "+".

It's pretty obvious what it's supposed to do, but it's also fair to note that it was written poorly.

Catulle wrote:
Fortunately nothing in the rule specifies a natural 6

Did you not read the rest of the thread where it is explained in detail what the issue is?

The vast majority of Explodes rules say explodes on a 6, not a 6+. If I roll a 4, then add 3 to the roll, it's a 7, not a 6, so it doesn't explode. This means against vehicles that explode on a 6, all the strat does is change the physical dice roll needed to be a 3 instead of a 6 (and keeps the opponent from re-rolling).

The lucky few like Hellhounds that explode on a 4+ or Titans that explode on a 5+ will be affected by the stratagem, because a 7 is more than 4.

Notwithstanding the non-functionally against things that explode on a 6, I am genuinely surprised GW worded the stratagem to take into account vehicles like the Knight Valiant that roll 2D6 to see if they explode.

Are we really back to pretending not to understand how this works? Sheesh. I thought we’d done that bit of the thread. Seems not.

Write to GW if you must, but good luck claiming the rule “doesn’t work” when everyone will play it as explodes on a 6+. Common sense trumps “well actually” here.

I love deathreaper making a claim and then asking people to prove the negative.

"The words explodes and Explodes both refer to the same rule, prove me wrong!"

Well, the real question for him is, can he prove himself right?

You can safely assume that if he bothers to post in this thread again, it won't be a concession about how he was wrong.

 flandarz wrote:
This is true. What it DOES specify is that you add 3 to the roll. And if something explodes on a 6, that means if you roll a 4 and add 3 to it, it's a 7. And doesn't explode, because it's not a 6. Basically, the Stratagem was written under the assumption that vehicles explode on n+, but a fair few of them don't include the "+".

It's pretty obvious what it's supposed to do, but it's also fair to note that it was written poorly.

This pretty much sums it up.