GW loves books too much.

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**LoftyS**

Last time I came back from a 1-year hiatus the LGS still had all the books they had when I was last there, many of which now outdated, on its shelves.*

At the very least, GW shouldn't be including any books in the first package they send to store partners. Money down the drain, and encourages the small LGS to ditch GW partnership.

I've never seen a game company have so much churn with third-parties as GW. It just doesn't happen. GW's business model is to screw over the stores that want to sell their stuff.

*And don't get me started on sending undesirable products to these stores. Here's how it goes:

"Hey my LGS, would you be interested in carrying Games Workshop products for us, currently there aren't any stores around here who do"

"Hey that sounds like a swell idea, we'll look into it"

1 month later

Big box of 30th anniversary exclusive marines, Citadel water pots & paint, and hard-back books get plopped at the door.

Literally 0 people I know use Citadel paint, apart from the odd dabble with the contrast paints.

**oni**

Blood Hawk wrote:

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oni wrote:
Overread wrote:
oni wrote:
There are definitely too many books required to play. I used to be someone who bought all of the books, but there have been so many that I just stopped altogether. In fact, GW's release pace has been so fast that I just stopped buying anything. There's no time to absorb and enjoy a release before it's onto the next thing.

Let's look at Ultramarines for a moment. One needs all of the following to play them:
Core rulebook, rulebook FAQ, Codex Space Marines, SM's FAQ, Ultramarines supplement, Ultramarines FAQ, Vigilus Defiant, Vigilus FAQ, Chapter Approved 2019
That's nine (9) rules sources to play one army. It's absurd.

Yes but how much content do you need from each one?
First up half of them are FAQ's. They are not books, they are a few sheets of paper (sometimes only one). A few moments with a printer and you've got them. Furthermore many are either small corrections/changes or examples of interactions.

The supplements I agree they can feel a bit much.

Chapter Approved is pretty much mostly point cost changes so you only need it when you write your army list and there are several legal online resources that list the point cost changes if you just want them.

Lets not forget gamers have been asking for faster and more up to date FAQ/Errata documents from GW for years, so its hard to turn around and complain that "now we need them" when in the past we've been screaming to get them. Heck I recall at least one edition where the FAQ for several armies didn't come out until the rules edition changed. You basically got your army FAQ only for GW to next week release a brand new rules system! So the system we have now is far superior even if it means updating a sheet of A4 every half a year or so.

I believe your mindset may be on transportation where as mine is simply rules sources. Whether we're discussing books or paper photocopies is unimportant because it's still nine (9) rules sources to play one army.

Only in theory. Most players won't need to reference the core rulebook when they make lists since the army creation rules aren't hard to memorize. Vigilus is an optional expansion that you don't need with UM to be competitive. The FAQ for UM is barely over one page and the SM one is barely over two pages. Hard to really call them a rules source equal to a much longer codex.

Also chapter approved 2019 isn't out yet.

CA:2018/2019... It's still an additional source.

I'm not sure how else to convey my thoughts. Even if you were to choose to not purchase Vigilus, Psychic Awakening or even a SM supplement; they (and their FAQ's) are all rules sources (observable elements) that still need to be considered in the decision making process.

**John Prins**

stroller wrote:
A small detail, but I am diametrically opposed to this:

" It would be a lot easier to accept if they moved to cheaper perfect bound books rather than hardcovers that will be obsolete within 2 years."

I truly detest perfect bound.

I'll compromise and suggest staple-bound 32 page softbound booklets. They'll sit flat on a table the way perfect bound books won't.