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A couple of points...

Spoiler:


2. This is another hidden incarnation, in the vein of the War Doctor. Seemingly between Troughton and Pertwee, as that’s the only regeneration that happened off screen. It also explains inconsistencies in the woeful Two Doctors

Ruth didn't know what a sonic screwdriver was. The sonic was introduced with Troughton.

So either they're introducing some other shenanigans to explain that the first Doctor actually wasn't, or she slots in elsewhere and there are still some missing memories.



If Ruth is from an alternate universe it seems a crueler 'mirror' universe - one where the 'War' Doctor is the norm. Using a gun, booby trapping it (basically actively killing someone) mutilating the Judoon Captain... not really 'our' Doctor.

Booby traps are nothing new for the Doctor, and she never actually used a gun, just carried one. There was even the bit where 13 said 'The Doctor doesn't use a gun!' and Ruth hissed 'I know!' back at her... She had no intention of using it, she was just bluffing.



And let's remember that the writer's can say something is a definite fact that turns out to be not the case. The Doctor was definitely dead, but then actually it was a robot copy with a miniturized Doctor driving it.

This is particularly true with something like regeration, which has had different explanations over the course of the show anyway. Original, it was just introduced as a thing the Doctor did with no limitations. They added that bit later, and IIRC the actual number has varied at times as well.


But yes, I'm really curious to see where they are taking this. And it was really cool to see an older style TARDIS again.

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Limited regenerations occurred in The Deadly Assassin, to explain why the Master looked like.....



Still a better Master than John Sims.

   
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Wrexham, North Wales

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Limited regenerations occurred in The Deadly Assassin, to explain why the Master looked like.....



Still a better Master than John Sims.


From Deadly... onwards we had the character arc of The Master craving a new body... from pretty much anywhere. Traken elders, San Fran ambulance drivers....

I liked Sim's Master in Sound of Drums. It suited the tone of the show at the time. Not so fussed with Super-Master but I enjoyed his return in Genesis of the Cybermen (Ahem).

But I need to go back and see episode one of this run again to see if there are 'four knocks' hiding in plain sight.

Regeneration has always been a bit vague until the later years of the original run when they tried to lock things down. It wasn't even called 'Regneration' until we went from Three to Four.
   
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You know, just the fact this has sparked good natured fan discussion is very welcome!

Been too long since we had a proper mystery to chew over

   
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England

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Limited regenerations occurred in The Deadly Assassin, to explain why the Master looked like.....



Still a better Master than John Sims.


How dare you, don’t insult ma boi Simm

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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To be fair, I fear it's more RTD I didn't take to than those he wrote for.

I mean.....voodoo child (god awful song) when decimating earth's population? *shudder*

   
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Spoiler:
Now that Chris has put the kibosh on the 'alternate universe' Doctor she is either a past or future Doctor. (or maybe a clone?) Probably from the past with the interior design of The Ship - but maybe she just likes the retro look (but if that's the case the exterior should be smaller).


But... but.... if she is from the past then Ten would have needed the reset from the Time Lords (and since he'd just pissed them off it likely wouldn't have happened).


Oh well. Doctor Who and continuity go together like Fish Fingers and Custard.

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The Doctor lies....

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, just the fact this has sparked good natured fan discussion is very welcome!

Been too long since we had a proper mystery to chew over


and even longer since we got a decent answer to anything (low point being John Sim losing to the Tinkerbell manoeuvre)


"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED." 
   
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Spoiler:
We already know the Time Lords can dish out another batch of regenerations when they feel like it - both the Doctor and the Master have benefited from this in the new series.

and there’s billions of the Doctor’s skeletons in that castle inside the magic labyrinth he was trapped inside in Heaven Sent. How good is their regeneration technology, I wonder ...



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MarkNorfolk wrote:
Oh well. Doctor Who and continuity go together like Fish Fingers and Custard.


To be fair, it’s a show about people who travel in time and change the past.

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:

and there’s billions of the Doctor’s skeletons in that castle inside the magic labyrinth he was trapped inside in Heaven Sent. How good is their regeneration technology, I wonder ..

That was nothing to do with regeneration, though - it was a time loop, back to the instant he teleported in.

 
   
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Not so good tonight, but as with any series they can't all be winners.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Yeah, last nights was a weird one.

The environmental message wasn't as ham-fisted as it has been, but overall the writing was pretty bad.
   
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Yeah, didn’t quite flow right.

I mean, it wasn’t dire by any stretch. Just distinctly average in the most average way possible.

   
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Wrexham, North Wales

Yeah - it was okay. The moral wasn't rammed down our throats a la Orphan 55 but was still there. Liked 'two Girls Roaming' but the survivor wasn't too cut up about her partner disintegrating right in front of her.

If this was the episode 3 then I probably gone...'yeah. Fair enough'.
   
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England

The most “meh” episode yet.

Also, I was rewatching pThe Five Doctors the other night, and I realised- the Time Lords offer the Master a new batch of regenerations then! Ha! Take that, people who don’t think Matt Smith should’ve regenerated! 1983 Doctor Who disagrees!

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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To be honest, a lot of online criticism, of the sort to make a three hour YouTube video about a 50 minute show, does seem to be from people who haven’t watched (or just ignore for da voos) much of it.

   
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Canterbury

MarkNorfolk wrote:


Oh well. Doctor Who and continuity go together like Fish Fingers and Custard.



...cf : temporal grace and the Tardis.

.. yeah, an alrigh episode... not bad , not great.

few too many ......"...err.. but..." moments but passable enough.


Quite liked the enamel type effect of the virus -- reminded me of the teeth alien guy from the last season a bit.

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"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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Me, I was actually quite chuffed people actually died from the virus - and it wasn't 'teehee, they're actually being teleported away teehee'.

That's a nice touch, especially as the sand asplode affect really did make me think they'd all be found safe and well later in the episode.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
To be honest, a lot of online criticism, of the sort to make a three hour YouTube video about a 50 minute show, does seem to be from people who haven’t watched (or just ignore for da voos) much of it.


A lot of those channels are just sad sacks who like hearing the sound of their own voice.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Tonights episode wasn't too bad, but was a lecture on mental health. It started to detract from the adventure, towards the end, but it at least tied into the characters and kind of found its feet again. I feel a little bit bad about picking up on this as I've been there myself and the TV show Ashes To Ashes helped me through a very difficult time.

Oh, tonights "villians" felt familiar, but are not characters we've seen before. But they know about certain characters that we have....the plot thickens!

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Quite liked the last one.
The bad guys were beaten too easily and the whole thing wrapped up too quickly, but that's an issue the show has had for years now, so I'm not as annoyed by it as I used to be.

Much like the scorpion people from earlier, I hope these weren't "one and done" villains, I found that guy genuinely pretty darn creepy.
   
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England

I rescind my previous comment- this is the most meh episode yet. I mean... What happened?

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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Wrexham, North Wales

A fair enough episode. It was more about the companions rather than the baddies. They are starting to think about life away from the Doctor.....
   
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Just caught up.

Definitely one of the stronger episodes this series. Nice callbacks for Old Who, and I did initially expect them to be the Black & White Guardians.

Room for improvement for sure, but only for putting the baddies back in the ziplock bag. Plot was a bit garbled there, but made up for by more companion time.

   
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That? Was superb.

Always loved Horror Who, and that episode got it right.

   
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Went a little toooooo dark in one bit(for a family show), but definitely the best Jodie Whitaker episode so far and a good Who story in general.

Sits well alongside Ghostlight, Black Orchid and Horror of Fang Rock.

Oh, tis interesting because the setting for this episode was familiar to me thanks to the introduction for the D&D book Curse of Strahd. I'm glad I know a bit more about the story of the Shelleys and Lord Byron!

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Wrexham, North Wales

Very good episode. Another crack in the Doctor/companion dynamic, a dash of one-life-versus-many ethical dilemma and a good dose of creepy.
   
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Derbyshire, UK

I love the episodes in this format with some historical figures and something weird happening which turns out to be aliens. Nice nod to the Dr having met Ada earlier in the series as well. Byron's face when she mentioned her was great.
   
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Despite my reservations about Cybermen being used again, it was a really good episode and the Cyberman himself ended up being the highlight for me.
   
 
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