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2020/03/09 20:15:21
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ah, technical fault. He has no official rules, and appears in no Codex.
Referring to the Thunder Warrior, for clarity.
Ah, I see. Like current codex? It's possible he'd just be a Marine, rules-wise. I wonder if the model ever had specific rules published in a WD or something.
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2020/03/09 20:26:17
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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I don’t recall such. But I do recall it simply being Mk1 Power Armour, without the Thunder Warrior tag?
Either way, it’s not a specific thing in any Codex, so whilst totes old, sadly disqualified.
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2020/03/09 20:30:16
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I don’t recall such. But I do recall it simply being Mk1 Power Armour, without the Thunder Warrior tag?
Either way, it’s not a specific thing in any Codex, so whilst totes old, sadly disqualified.
As Mk1 Power armor I'd just call it a Space Marine. Those are still in use despite how hard GW likes to push the Primaris
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2020/03/09 20:34:04
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Still no specific entry for it, unlike the Bloody Ancient Warlocks.
Yes it’s arbitrary, but it’s my thread, so nyeeeeeeeeeeh
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2020/03/09 20:40:06
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Well, the GW website calls the model a Space Marine in Mk1, so totally field-able by the current codex. So I think your arbitrary arbitration is awry.
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2020/03/09 20:42:33
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Arbitrary is arbitrary
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2020/03/09 20:46:54
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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And wrong is wrong.
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2020/03/09 20:48:43
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Bunghole
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2020/03/09 20:59:53
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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The warlocks still look good too, the servitors...less so!
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2020/03/09 21:00:26
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:It is an oddity for sure.
On balance, it does seem now Jain Zar has been updated, the rest the Phoenix Lords will follow suit.
Avatar remains an excellent sculpt, but definitely in need of a redo (it’s notwtiny compared to Greater Daemons).
Warlocks? Well, that slot has had additions since, so possibly forgivable?
I'm very doubtful of that myself. I'd be amazed to see more Aspects or Phoenix Lords.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2020/03/11 03:05:09
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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pm713 wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:It is an oddity for sure.
On balance, it does seem now Jain Zar has been updated, the rest the Phoenix Lords will follow suit.
Avatar remains an excellent sculpt, but definitely in need of a redo (it’s notwtiny compared to Greater Daemons).
Warlocks? Well, that slot has had additions since, so possibly forgivable?
I'm very doubtful of that myself. I'd be amazed to see more Aspects or Phoenix Lords.
I think it depends on how well the actual boxes of banshees and Jain Zar did. Given that around where I am there's still like 3 copies of Blood of the Phoenix sitting on the shelf, I'm going to go with "It didn't do well at all" and that therefore GW probably won't be investing in making any more plastic aspect warriors.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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2020/03/11 03:09:00
Subject: Re:The oldest kit in each range?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Yep, GW gambled on Banshees and may have shot themselves in the foot.
On one hand, plastic Aspect Warriors should have been a hit. On the other hand they put them in a terrible combo box...and then the price at $55 for five toughness 3 models is laughable. On top of all that they chose a poorly performing Aspect which no one is using (which, admittedly might be "why" they chose them as well...pick the weakest Aspect and hope that a new release in plastic is enough to carry the interest). The kit is also pretty minimal and underwhelming.
I'd imagine GW has or had all of the Aspects/Phoenix Lords planned (even if spaced out over years). So, will the market consume Banshees with a voracious appetite? Or will people continue to not play them...and not pay obscene prices for them? This could make GW gunshy about the others. They should have led with a proven unit like Shining Spears, Dark Reapers, etc.
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2020/03/11 03:13:00
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2020/03/11 04:51:49
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Galas wrote:The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.
Sounds legit
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2020/03/11 09:29:36
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Galas wrote:The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.
Care to share?
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2020/03/11 10:50:30
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Galas wrote:The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.
Care to share?
Seconded.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/03/11 10:56:16
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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Same. I've found a bunch of his interviews and I'd prefer not to read/watch all of them for this "insight".
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2020/03/11 10:58:27
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Galas wrote:The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.
I mean it stands to reason that the internal office politicking we know off, aka FW subdivision shenanigans and later marginalisation aswell as the nice little intervention in 7th with a certain ELDAR model to not hike price but increase it's capability twofold from higher ups. lend credence to this.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/03/11 11:00:40
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Villanous Scum
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On parle toujours mal quand on n'a rien à dire. |
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2020/03/11 11:04:27
Subject: Re:The oldest kit in each range?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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Definitely, but it's always nice to see just a little more evidence of why gw manages to feth things up so spectacularly. Especially the handling of fw in 8th edition.
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2020/03/11 11:32:38
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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At the same time if GW were redoing aspects surely they'd have already committed to doing more than one in the several year plan that it takes to develop a model?
That said internal politics is a given - I think made worse by the heavy compartmentalising that GW's general "avoiding leaks" policies resulted in. So that even if departments aren't competing with each other, they aren't always communicating well with each other.
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2020/03/11 11:52:47
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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Thanks Ingtaer. That was quite interesting. Wish Priestley was still involved with 40k.
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2020/03/11 12:15:48
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Got a TL;DW for us?
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2020/03/11 12:35:37
Subject: Re:The oldest kit in each range?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Heh, I own most of the minis on that page in metal...
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2020/03/11 13:27:03
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2020/03/11 19:39:36
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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The price of the banshees etc is pretty terrible but it did make the box look a lot better value!
I expect we'll still see the other aspects, it would be strange for them not to given the timescale involved in making new kits, hopefully it gets gw to look at their prices but I won't be holding my breath on that front!
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2020/03/11 20:44:37
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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kingheff wrote:The price of the banshees etc is pretty terrible but it did make the box look a lot better value!
I expect we'll still see the other aspects, it would be strange for them not to given the timescale involved in making new kits, hopefully it gets gw to look at their prices but I won't be holding my breath on that front!
Honestly, I consider the old kit in metal a better value.
The minis are a similar quality, same poses, same weapon options, but metal which is generally more durable and in my experience easier to blend.
Rhe biggest improvement the new kit has is plastic over finecast. Thats about it.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2020/03/11 20:53:02
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Galas wrote:The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.
That sounds incredibly stupid to me. Although stupid is distinct from unlikely sadly.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2020/03/11 21:04:07
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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the_scotsman wrote:kingheff wrote:The price of the banshees etc is pretty terrible but it did make the box look a lot better value!
I expect we'll still see the other aspects, it would be strange for them not to given the timescale involved in making new kits, hopefully it gets gw to look at their prices but I won't be holding my breath on that front!
Honestly, I consider the old kit in metal a better value.
The minis are a similar quality, same poses, same weapon options, but metal which is generally more durable and in my experience easier to blend.
Rhe biggest improvement the new kit has is plastic over finecast. Thats about it.
I still use my las pistol banshees, they still look good, still got using my other squad of finecast ones that I like too to be honest. Probably why my blood of the phoenix banshees are in my to do pile. Jain zar should be done soon though.
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2020/03/11 21:21:59
Subject: The oldest kit in each range?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I think the sales are definitely hurt a bit by the fact the existing sculpts are good. If they'd added Warp Spiders I'd be much more likely to buy more with how bad the current models are once you have 2 already.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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