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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ah, technical fault. He has no official rules, and appears in no Codex.

Referring to the Thunder Warrior, for clarity.

Ah, I see. Like current codex? It's possible he'd just be a Marine, rules-wise. I wonder if the model ever had specific rules published in a WD or something.

I don’t recall such. But I do recall it simply being Mk1 Power Armour, without the Thunder Warrior tag?

Either way, it’s not a specific thing in any Codex, so whilst totes old, sadly disqualified.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don’t recall such. But I do recall it simply being Mk1 Power Armour, without the Thunder Warrior tag?

Either way, it’s not a specific thing in any Codex, so whilst totes old, sadly disqualified.

As Mk1 Power armor I'd just call it a Space Marine. Those are still in use despite how hard GW likes to push the Primaris

Still no specific entry for it, unlike the Bloody Ancient Warlocks.

Yes it’s arbitrary, but it’s my thread, so nyeeeeeeeeeeh

Well, the GW website calls the model a Space Marine in Mk1, so totally field-able by the current codex. So I think your arbitrary arbitration is awry.

Arbitrary is arbitrary

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Arbitrary is arbitrary

And wrong is wrong.

Bunghole

The warlocks still look good too, the servitors...less so!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It is an oddity for sure.

On balance, it does seem now Jain Zar has been updated, the rest the Phoenix Lords will follow suit.

Avatar remains an excellent sculpt, but definitely in need of a redo (it’s notwtiny compared to Greater Daemons).

Warlocks? Well, that slot has had additions since, so possibly forgivable?

I'm very doubtful of that myself. I'd be amazed to see more Aspects or Phoenix Lords.

pm713 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It is an oddity for sure.

On balance, it does seem now Jain Zar has been updated, the rest the Phoenix Lords will follow suit.

Avatar remains an excellent sculpt, but definitely in need of a redo (it’s notwtiny compared to Greater Daemons).

Warlocks? Well, that slot has had additions since, so possibly forgivable?

I'm very doubtful of that myself. I'd be amazed to see more Aspects or Phoenix Lords.

I think it depends on how well the actual boxes of banshees and Jain Zar did. Given that around where I am there's still like 3 copies of Blood of the Phoenix sitting on the shelf, I'm going to go with "It didn't do well at all" and that therefore GW probably won't be investing in making any more plastic aspect warriors.

Yep, GW gambled on Banshees and may have shot themselves in the foot.

On one hand, plastic Aspect Warriors should have been a hit. On the other hand they put them in a terrible combo box...and then the price at $55 for five toughness 3 models is laughable. On top of all that they chose a poorly performing Aspect which no one is using (which, admittedly might be "why" they chose them as well...pick the weakest Aspect and hope that a new release in plastic is enough to carry the interest). The kit is also pretty minimal and underwhelming.

I'd imagine GW has or had all of the Aspects/Phoenix Lords planned (even if spaced out over years). So, will the market consume Banshees with a voracious appetite? Or will people continue to not play them...and not pay obscene prices for them? This could make GW gunshy about the others. They should have led with a proven unit like Shining Spears, Dark Reapers, etc.

The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

 Galas wrote:
The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

Sounds legit

 Galas wrote:
The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

Care to share?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

Care to share?

Seconded.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

Care to share?

Seconded.

Same. I've found a bunch of his interviews and I'd prefer not to read/watch all of them for this "insight".

 Galas wrote:
The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

I mean it stands to reason that the internal office politicking we know off, aka FW subdivision shenanigans and later marginalisation aswell as the nice little intervention in 7th with a certain ELDAR model to not hike price but increase it's capability twofold from higher ups. lend credence to this.

Presume Galas means this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71eQops6mw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0w5Va12M0c82PvuAYvk3Esua46KA9-ngB226lgrHUDYUI1fSceCAiYmys

Definitely, but it's always nice to see just a little more evidence of why gw manages to feth things up so spectacularly. Especially the handling of fw in 8th edition.

At the same time if GW were redoing aspects surely they'd have already committed to doing more than one in the several year plan that it takes to develop a model?


That said internal politics is a given - I think made worse by the heavy compartmentalising that GW's general "avoiding leaks" policies resulted in. So that even if departments aren't competing with each other, they aren't always communicating well with each other.

 ingtaer wrote:
Presume Galas means this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71eQops6mw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0w5Va12M0c82PvuAYvk3Esua46KA9-ngB226lgrHUDYUI1fSceCAiYmys

Thanks Ingtaer. That was quite interesting. Wish Priestley was still involved with 40k.

Got a TL;DW for us?

 Grimtuff wrote:
It's each of these Servitors
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Grey-Knights-Servitors-with-Multi-melta
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Grey-Knights-Servitors-with-Plasma-Cannon

The left hand ones. The right hand ones with the guns came about with the =][= dexes in the early 2000's.

First appear in the 1992 catalogue

Next eldest appear to be a couple of Eldar Warlocks, which first appear in the 1993 catalogue, along with the Phoenix Lords.

Heh, I own most of the minis on that page in metal...

 ingtaer wrote:
Presume Galas means this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71eQops6mw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0w5Va12M0c82PvuAYvk3Esua46KA9-ngB226lgrHUDYUI1fSceCAiYmys

Yeah, that one, thanks!

The price of the banshees etc is pretty terrible but it did make the box look a lot better value!
I expect we'll still see the other aspects, it would be strange for them not to given the timescale involved in making new kits, hopefully it gets gw to look at their prices but I won't be holding my breath on that front!

kingheff wrote:
The price of the banshees etc is pretty terrible but it did make the box look a lot better value!
I expect we'll still see the other aspects, it would be strange for them not to given the timescale involved in making new kits, hopefully it gets gw to look at their prices but I won't be holding my breath on that front!

Honestly, I consider the old kit in metal a better value.

The minis are a similar quality, same poses, same weapon options, but metal which is generally more durable and in my experience easier to blend.

Rhe biggest improvement the new kit has is plastic over finecast. Thats about it.

 Galas wrote:
The redoing of Banshees looks to me more a case of doing a product deliberately wrong in nearly every way to convince management that it isn't worth pursuing that path. Like some people intended for it to fail to show the numbers people how bad of an idea it is. The intervew of Rick Prestley about the LOTR game gives a little insight here and there on how GW works internally.

That sounds incredibly stupid to me. Although stupid is distinct from unlikely sadly.

the_scotsman wrote:

kingheff wrote:
The price of the banshees etc is pretty terrible but it did make the box look a lot better value!
I expect we'll still see the other aspects, it would be strange for them not to given the timescale involved in making new kits, hopefully it gets gw to look at their prices but I won't be holding my breath on that front!

Honestly, I consider the old kit in metal a better value.

The minis are a similar quality, same poses, same weapon options, but metal which is generally more durable and in my experience easier to blend.

Rhe biggest improvement the new kit has is plastic over finecast. Thats about it.

I still use my las pistol banshees, they still look good, still got using my other squad of finecast ones that I like too to be honest. Probably why my blood of the phoenix banshees are in my to do pile. Jain zar should be done soon though.

I think the sales are definitely hurt a bit by the fact the existing sculpts are good. If they'd added Warp Spiders I'd be much more likely to buy more with how bad the current models are once you have 2 already.