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Jidmah wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
But here's the thing, I also want to focus on traditional Marines. Basically the fanbase reaction and all the jokes (Adeptus Restartes, Ultra-Ultra-Marines, etc...) has spoilt Primaris for me. I want to collect the traditional Marines. Which apparently based on some posts on this thread is going to get harder due to GW cutting their production in favour of Primaris.

Seriously, ignore the "fanbase". Those are just a few people who stick out that are basically the same vocal minority you get on any topic. It's basically the same as old people complaining about the new internet stuff.

In reality, GW is not putting any effort into old marines anymore. If you are lucky, they get some point changes during Chapter Approved or some new startagems happen to work well with them. With the mild exception of chapter-specific models, all new releases and any balancing intentions will be focused on primaris.
There is no evidence that GW won't keep producing old marine until their molds break, but they are for sure treated as second-grade units.

If you like the old marines because if their style, models or lore better then primaris, go for it. But ignore other people - especially on the internet - when it comes to deciding on what army to take.

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wuestenfux wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
I am starting my own first army sometime this year as I have time for that, and I sort of want to stay away from Primaris and stick with traditional Marines due to Primaris' controversial reputation among the fan-base and how apparently they fit the lore poorly.

Tacticals belong to the dark age, while Primaris are the Marines of the renaissance, the departure from the dark age.

Well I guess I will be going with the Primaris Marines then.

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:

 Argive wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
I am starting my own first army sometime this year as I have time for that, and I sort of want to stay away from Primaris and stick with traditional Marines due to Primaris' controversial reputation among the fan-base and how apparently they fit the lore poorly.

Dont worry about "fanbase". Everyone has opinions but why should it affect you and what plastic solidiers you buy?
Collect what models you want. If anyone seriously gives you flack then they are not worth worrying about anyway.

But here's the thing, I also want to focus on traditional Marines. Basically the fanbase reaction and all the jokes (Adeptus Restartes, Ultra-Ultra-Marines, etc...) has spoilt Primaris for me. I want to collect the traditional Marines. Which apparently based on some posts on this thread is going to get harder due to GW cutting their production in favour of Primaris.

there is no "fan base reaction" to primaris beyond the norm. take it from me, all the people bashing primaris? also bashed centurions when they came out, bashed thunder wolf cavalry, based x bashed Y. at the end of the day.. they're a minority not worth worrying about. if YOU like Primaris take em, if not.. then don't. and they're not going to eliminate old marines, proiduction might drop a little but only to corraspond to a reduction in demand. I suspect old marines still out sell some of their other ranges


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Roberts84 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Roberts84 wrote:
... honestly I'm not sure why GW seems to have such a hard on for them.

They don't.

Ultramarines represent the default state of Marines - vanilla - and thus remain the core of that range. On top of that it's a simple case of branding in a lot of cases. If you have a bunch of boxes that all have the same blue colour scheme, it signifies to a new person that these all belong together.

Honestly the only thing that doesn't make sense is the Internet's overblown hate-boner for the Ultramarines.

Well I'll take a stab at it; they get models updates every other week, have absurd fluff, and haven't been remotely interesting since 3OK. Matt Ward probably has a Guilliman sex doll. Everywhere you look, it's ultramarines and captain planet to the rescue...they're such a trite, cliche' trope. I mean I don;t hate them but it would be nice for another chapter to take the lead in defending the Imperium now and again-- and maybe instead of every other chapter in the galaxy having to wait a decade for model upgrades, we could slow down the smurf train and give something--anything else priority for a change,.

The only thing I don't really understand is all the hate Guilliman seems to get in play. I mean he's an excellent unit, but I don't think he's even close to Mortarion on the op-o-meter.

in other words.. it's jealousy

Wow.. the marine player gloat & entitlement is relly showing...

not really in this case I'm focusing on people whose issue with in partiuclar with ULTRAMARINES, (the Marine issue is a seperate matter) it's almost always people who are big into other chapters and are ticked that the Ultramarines are the ones spotlighted not white scars, Imperial fists or whatever, case in point, the "it's always the Ultramarines involved" is provably false, the Ultramarines got center stage in Vigilus sure, but they didn't in faith and fury, that was Salamanders and white scars. meanwhile back in 6th/7th edition you had warzone Damocles which featured the white scars and raven guard, ohh and the iron ahnds and Imperial fists chapter supplements. meanwhile Ultramarines didn't even get anything in angels of death. sure Gulliman returned in Gathering storm but... yeah over all the mass amount of attention to Ultramarines is pretty weak. so I'd say that there's no rational basis for fans of other marine chapters to hate on Ultramarines other then the fact that they're but hurt over ultramarines being used as the generic example of a chapter instead of THIER prefered one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Blood-Angels-Crimson-Spear-Strike-Force-2019

How's this for the first 40k purchase?

I dunno about the specific "value of the units as they currently stand in the meta" but I'd say that's a great value for an inital blood angels buy in. the intercessors are very solid troops, and the rest of the stuff are iconic blood angels units. seems a solid first choice

Aren't baal predtors and termintor HQs considered very bad?
It sure does come with a lot of usable BA parts to make heroes of different kind out of intercessors without paying 50$ for one.

Combined with some DI marines, this should be a pretty good place to start.