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Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I think we're going to see this accelerating the decline of America's international influence. this is the first global crisis EVER where I've not felt like America is in a leadership role

Its been rare that a 'global crisis' actually affects America directly. Its easy to lead when the fight is 'over there' some place. Less so when its in your base, wrecking your stuff.
Its easy to help when you've got untouched industrial production to share. Its much more difficult when production is behind just to meet your own needs. Same with specialists (healthcare workers in this case)

Also doesn't help when you've offloaded the production of what are now, vitally needed lifesaving goods to other countries who when the global crisis hits are obviously going to be making sure they're taken care of first, before they begin to ship those goods out to anybody else.

And when you've structured what is your now vital infrastructure on the sale of nonessential higher-profit margin luxury goods. Hospitals in my state are furloughing hundreds of workers in the middle of a global pandemic because they make most of their money on elective surgeries which have obviously all been postponed, and farms are letting food rot in the field when millions more people need food banks because they can no longer sell to the food service/restaurant industry that pays far more than grocery stores for the same food, because folks are more than happy to pay a 100-1000% markup on food if they don't have to cook it.

I just hope all of this is a wakeup call to those who previously swallowed the myth of infinite wealth, infinite prosperity, infinite growth and luxury for everyone. But 2008 sure didn't, so I doubt it.

I don't think the US was ever thought to be the global public health leader (if such a thing existed), so I don't see how this crisis really affects our standing. Other events and actions certain have.

the_scotsman wrote:
I just hope all of this is a wakeup call to those who previously swallowed the myth of infinite wealth, infinite prosperity, infinite growth and luxury for everyone. But 2008 sure didn't, so I doubt it.

I don't even know what that means. You mean the millennials? Who thought there was infinite wealth for everyone?

nfe wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Paranoia will grow. Probably violence towards anyone oriental.
But we've got years of carona to deal with first to fester these feelings.

They'll probably use the same imperialist language as you.

Nowhere in my language do I suggest a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

 ValentineGames wrote:

nfe wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Paranoia will grow. Probably violence towards anyone oriental.
But we've got years of carona to deal with first to fester these feelings.

They'll probably use the same imperialist language as you.

Nowhere in my language do I suggest a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

Yeah, personally I don't get it when people get riled up when Oriental is used tbh. I get the historical connotations but I'm ethnically Chinese and we sometimes use that term to distinguish ourselves in English since East Asian sometimes isn't specific enough for people to get what I mean as an specific group. Especially in Valentine's case where he is obviously using it in a non offensive manner.

 gorgon wrote:
I don't think the US was ever thought to be the global public health leader (if such a thing existed), so I don't see how this crisis really affects our standing. Other events and actions certain have.

the_scotsman wrote:
I just hope all of this is a wakeup call to those who previously swallowed the myth of infinite wealth, infinite prosperity, infinite growth and luxury for everyone. But 2008 sure didn't, so I doubt it.

I don't even know what that means. You mean the millennials? Who thought there was infinite wealth for everyone?

I think this is about the idea of perpetual economic growth (that also asked for from every publicly traded company) and what laws/rules/customs this enables. The whole "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" myth and all the bs around it, how extremely highly paid CEOs and billionaires are seen as job creators and the motor of a country's economy, how worthless non-skilled/low skill jobs are (retail, restaurant, service workers,…), how simplistic measures of GDP (and increasing consumption) as an indictor for an economy's health are of such importance, and so on.

Millennials and gen z are on the other side of this and the ones who don't believe that. They are in their thirties (on the older side: close to forty) and went through three economic crashes/recessions in their life now (dot-com bubble, 2008 recession, and now the corona thing) and essentially an endless war. They don't believe in this myth anymore.

 ValentineGames wrote:

nfe wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Paranoia will grow. Probably violence towards anyone oriental.
But we've got years of carona to deal with first to fester these feelings.

They'll probably use the same imperialist language as you.

Nowhere in my language do I suggest a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

In that it's rooted in European perception of 'east of what we're familiar with/in charge of', and homogenises enormous swathes of geographies, ethnicities, and cultures, 'Oriental' is innately imperialist. As I imagine you well know.

On point, I think the spike in hostility to Chinese people (or people who look close enough to the not-famously-nuanced racist's eye) will fade in most territories, albeit probably down to a baseline that's higher than it was - which was worryingly high, especially casual and exoticising terms, anyway). I think general xenophobia to anyone perceived to have crossed a border will continue to rise, though.

Same thing as what happened in 2008, only 10 times worse.

The rich will be richer and the poor will be poorer, both between countries and within countries. Megacorporations will be bailed out using taxpayer money, the stable upper-middle class will be given out the minimum possible to survive, blue collars workers will be laid off, freelancers and other non-stable professions will fall through the cracks and be left to die. Social support, public schooling and health (where applicable), arts and other state-sponsored fields will suffer massive cuts for decades to come to pay for bailing out the corporations and ultra rich.

As always, weak countries will be bullied into giving away their wealth to the strong and changing laws for the benefit of neoimperialists. In South and East EU, the usual rule of "for every company you bail out, you must gift one to Germany for free" will apply to any country wishing to circumvent competition and fiscal responsibility laws enforced by Germany, while Germany ignores them and does whatever the feth it wants to save its own economy.

 gorgon wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I just hope all of this is a wakeup call to those who previously swallowed the myth of infinite wealth, infinite prosperity, infinite growth and luxury for everyone. But 2008 sure didn't, so I doubt it.

I don't even know what that means. You mean the millennials? Who thought there was infinite wealth for everyone?

Dude, get in line. I'm still waiting to find out how he needed 50 ounces of resin to print 2 ounces of ork boyz

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Same thing as what happened in 2008, only 10 times worse.

The rich will be richer and the poor will be poorer, both between countries and within countries. Megacorporations will be bailed out using taxpayer money, the stable upper-middle class will be given out the minimum possible to survive, blue collars workers will be laid off, freelancers and other non-stable professions will fall through the cracks and be left to die. Social support, public schooling and health (where applicable), arts and other state-sponsored fields will suffer massive cuts for decades to come to pay for bailing out the corporations and ultra rich.

As always, weak countries will be bullied into giving away their wealth to the strong and changing laws for the benefit of neoimperialists. In South and East EU, the usual rule of "for every company you bail out, you must gift one to Germany for free" will apply to any country wishing to circumvent competition and fiscal responsibility laws enforced by Germany, while Germany ignores them and does whatever the feth it wants to save its own economy.

Eastern Europe will almost certainly see even more drum beating from the nationalist and 'Liberal Democrat' parties an those they feed their rhetoric. Russia will be able to further meddle and needle the EU and the European northern and central blocs of countries.

The EU will continue to face crises of confidence especially in view of the east and the rise of nationalism and perceptions of how they handle the economic aftermath of Covid 19.

 Ouze wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I just hope all of this is a wakeup call to those who previously swallowed the myth of infinite wealth, infinite prosperity, infinite growth and luxury for everyone. But 2008 sure didn't, so I doubt it.

I don't even know what that means. You mean the millennials? Who thought there was infinite wealth for everyone?

Dude, get in line. I'm still waiting to find out how he needed 50 ounces of resin to print 2 ounces of ork boyz

Beer math

Getting hired to a job going to hard as Heck. If I was employer (still debating the unemployed strippers idea, Kronk, need advice) I be fine combining the resumes and at most three interviews to get the best. Whatever ethnicities required that I need to tell the Fed will be EXACT even of I onesie or twosies to many (part of the Stim Bill the Dems put in)