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Jackal90 wrote:
Unknown - worse than missing as they generally know absolutely nothing about what happened.
This means they don’t even have any points of reference for even starting to look.

Isn't it so that The Emperor spoke to smu....eh... Guilliman, and maybe he can talk again where his brothers might be?

You could also argue that Guilliman is the only primarch whose return is actually beneficial to the Imperium. Having two or more of the Emperor's Sons up and about would only create internal conflict at a time when the Imperium really doesn't need that. And several of them would probably flat-out rebel against what the Imperium has become over the last ten millennia.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

Sgt_Smudge wrote: Weren't those 13th Company members that were recovered ones that had been trapped mid-Burning of Prospero? If so, wouldn't they have had no knowledge of what Russ was doing long after the Burning?

Not to my knowledge. At the time they were presented as the 13th Company who post-Heresy, post-Scouring ran off to fi d Russ after he'd disappeared.
It's entirely possible that's been retconned since, but even so, it's also possible they'd have met up at some point in the past 10,000 years.
I mean the point was that's a plot thread they could pull on to re-introduce Russ.

Yeah, I think that's been retconned, or at least altered. Current sources seem to indicate they were lost after/during Prospero, not after the Heresy, so they also would have little idea on Russ' location.

Dammit GW, stop it already with the random and nonsensical retcons already!
Anyway, it's still possible they were re-united with their Primarch in the 10,000 years since Prospero. They were still portrayed as being led by someone as yet unknown, who could still be Russ.

 Matt Swain wrote:
Guilleman should look around for his bros that might still be alive, like Johnson and russ.

1. the imperium could use their aid.
2. We don't want fabius bile getting his hands on their dna.
3. We don't want 'nids eating them.

BTW, I call the ultramrines primarch "Reroll" for obvious reasons.

Oh Fabulous Fabius already has their DNA. He's made at least one clone of every Primarch except Fulgrim and Ferrus who have been done more than once.


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 Duskweaver wrote:
You could also argue that Guilliman is the only primarch whose return is actually beneficial to the Imperium. Having two or more of the Emperor's Sons up and about would only create internal conflict at a time when the Imperium really doesn't need that. And several of them would probably flat-out rebel against what the Imperium has become over the last ten millennia.

Some of them might but I think Primarch's like Russ might just go on killing lots of Chaos forces so they wouldn't be as disruptive. But from a governmental perspective Roboute is probably the best one to have back.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

Sgt_Smudge wrote: Weren't those 13th Company members that were recovered ones that had been trapped mid-Burning of Prospero? If so, wouldn't they have had no knowledge of what Russ was doing long after the Burning?

Not to my knowledge. At the time they were presented as the 13th Company who post-Heresy, post-Scouring ran off to fi d Russ after he'd disappeared.
It's entirely possible that's been retconned since, but even so, it's also possible they'd have met up at some point in the past 10,000 years.
I mean the point was that's a plot thread they could pull on to re-introduce Russ.

Yeah, I think that's been retconned, or at least altered. Current sources seem to indicate they were lost after/during Prospero, not after the Heresy, so they also would have little idea on Russ' location.

Dammit GW, stop it already with the random and nonsensical retcons already!
Anyway, it's still possible they were re-united with their Primarch in the 10,000 years since Prospero. They were still portrayed as being led by someone as yet unknown, who could still be Russ.

I think the majority of the 13th Company (Dekk-Tra) were recovered on Prospero, led by Jarl Bulveye. Of course, there are still ones who went into the Eye, or at least, emerge from it. My bet is that most got lost on Prospero, and others on Prospero ended up getting lost in the Warp itself, only to emerge from the Eye.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

Sgt_Smudge wrote: Weren't those 13th Company members that were recovered ones that had been trapped mid-Burning of Prospero? If so, wouldn't they have had no knowledge of what Russ was doing long after the Burning?

Not to my knowledge. At the time they were presented as the 13th Company who post-Heresy, post-Scouring ran off to fi d Russ after he'd disappeared.
It's entirely possible that's been retconned since, but even so, it's also possible they'd have met up at some point in the past 10,000 years.
I mean the point was that's a plot thread they could pull on to re-introduce Russ.

Yeah, I think that's been retconned, or at least altered. Current sources seem to indicate they were lost after/during Prospero, not after the Heresy, so they also would have little idea on Russ' location.

Dammit GW, stop it already with the random and nonsensical retcons already!
Anyway, it's still possible they were re-united with their Primarch in the 10,000 years since Prospero. They were still portrayed as being led by someone as yet unknown, who could still be Russ.

I think the majority of the 13th Company (Dekk-Tra) were recovered on Prospero, led by Jarl Bulveye. Of course, there are still ones who went into the Eye, or at least, emerge from it. My bet is that most got lost on Prospero, and others on Prospero ended up getting lost in the Warp itself, only to emerge from the Eye.

Some got trapped in a sort of discount Webway on Prospero until Njal Stormcaller and co picked them up in Ashes of Prospero.

HexHammer wrote:
Only hear these youtube vids about 40k, but shouldn't Smurfboy find the other fellow Primarchs? ..instead of wasting time on silly battles?

No, he shouldn't waste his time finding another big guy who can beat things up really hard as opposed to, say, reclaiming lost Imperial territories and rebuilding crumbling infrastructure for a galactic superpower.

It's also worth noting Gulliman proably is looking for his brothers. but being an intelligent person rather then a complete moron, he's likely looking through agents. looking for them by harring off himself would be... inefficant. a guy like gulliman works best as a spider in the middle of a web of information

I'd say it's more likely that the other Primarchs might come out of wherever they've nested to rejoin with Guilliman. Probably at the most desperate time because it would be more dramatic, obviously.

I am sure Guilliman would love to see any of his brothers back. Whatever their differences, being able to share some of the burden would be an immense relief to him. However most of the loyalist Primarchs have been missing (presumed dead) for 9000+ years. Where would he even start?

His own return is regarded by most of the Imperium as something akin to King Authur walking right out of legend to save the day. The fates of most of the Primarchs are even less clear than his own. Remember that some of his brothers vanished before his fateful duel with Fulgrim. If Roboute cold not find them shortly after they vanished, 9000 years is not going to make the job any easier.

Corax and Johnson vanished in the immediate aftermath of the Heresy. There was no sign of them then and there would be none now. We know where they are but in universe, no one has that knowledge.

Russ and Khan both vanished in warped regions of space (EoT and Webway respectively). Even if they are still alive, finding them would be impossible without outside help. Even out of universe, we don't know if either of them is still alive. The Wolves go out looking for Russ every so often but have not found him and they are probably better placed to look for him than anyone.

Dorn and Vulkan are both reported as dead so Guilliman would be unlikely to bother looking for them. Again, we do not know out-of-universe if either is actually still alive.

To find another Primarch, Guilliman would either need outside help (such as revived him) or a massive stroke of luck. It is more likely that the missing Primarchs will return under their own steam than Guilliman finding them.

Khan could come out of the webway thinking he only just left to find millennia have passed, rather like the 13th Company from Ashes of Prospero.

Johnson's alarm clock could go off.

Corax might follow one of his traitor brothers out of the eye.

Russ might return from his mystical quest with a cure for the Emperor.

Vulkan is a perpetual and so could potentially respawn at any time. Assuming the massive detonation of Waagh energy didn't perma-kill him. After all, Horus was able to mortally wound the Emperor (also a Perpetual) when sufficiently juiced up with warp energy by the Chaos Gods. The other option is that he has returned but is back in the webway helping the Emperor to hold the breach closed and standing by to enact his "scorched earth" duty if the Emperor ever fails.

Dorn probably is dead for the simple reason that if he escaped the Sword of Sacrilege then he would likely have announced it by now. He has no real reason to hide, especially when the Imperium clearly needs him so badly. Maybe he has gone off on a Jedi-style sulk (the Galaxy is better off without me) but as a storyline I don't think that would work any better in 40K than it did for Luke in Star Wars.

Russ could find Corax and they could emerge together?

Bran Dawri wrote:
Russ could find Corax and they could emerge together?

Read on Reddit some time ago, that Russ was trapped somewhere (in the warp .....I think), that he couldn't escape from and no one would find him, said by some chaos dude.

HexHammer wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
Russ could find Corax and they could emerge together?

Read on Reddit some time ago, that Russ was trapped somewhere (in the warp .....I think), that he couldn't escape from and no one would find him, said by some chaos dude.

that's pretty much all speculation from a throw away line in Battle of the Fang where Magnus implies he knows where Russ is

The primarchs have to be in places they can't easily return from, or their absence for 10,000 years is utterly nonsensical.

They were leading their legions for the good of the imperium and it's not like their chapter or the imperium didn't need them post heresy clean up.

They're really going to have to come up with some interesting story ideas for why the 7 most important people in the imperium have deliberately not been actively part of the imperium for this long.

Guilliman and the Lion have solid reasons, but Corax style vendetta can only stretch credibility for so long...

Hellebore wrote:
The primarchs have to be in places they can't easily return from, or their absence for 10,000 years is utterly nonsensical.

They were leading their legions for the good of the imperium and it's not like their chapter or the imperium didn't need them post heresy clean up.

They're really going to have to come up with some interesting story ideas for why the 7 most important people in the imperium have deliberately not been actively part of the imperium for this long.

Guilliman and the Lion have solid reasons, but Corax style vendetta can only stretch credibility for so long...

Time shenanigans in the warp is the easy out.

“Sorry I was gone so long guys, but it was only a couple months pursuing my foes into the warp. Wait, how many millennia was I gone! "

Well, a few might be stashed in one collection or other, whether that be in Trazyn's planetary museum or in Commorragh somewhere.

'Lost in the Warp' can easily be overused.

Speaking of Trazyn, I'd find it terribly amusing if he dropped clone Fulgrim off somewhere to see what happens. Would he try to aid the Imperium, and would the Imperium let him?

Voss wrote:
Well, a few might be stashed in one collection or other, whether that be in Trazyn's planetary museum or in Commorragh somewhere.

'Lost in the Warp' can easily be overused.

Speaking of Trazyn, I'd find it terribly amusing if he dropped clone Fulgrim off somewhere to see what happens. Would he try to aid the Imperium, and would the Imperium let him?

would he upon learning whats happened promptly drink himself into a stupor?