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pm713 wrote:

Aash wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
The two Legions who for some reason work best together are the Dark Angels and Space Wolves. That's been a fluff item since at least 2nd edition.
They have repeatedly been described as able to overcome insurmountable odds if are able to set aside their grudges and work together.

Yes, that's why it would be logical to find Doggo and then kick some ass, which most here didn't understand and just thought it was a good idea to fight without Doggo.

I’ve been trying to follow this thread, but am finding it very frustrating and increasingly incoherent. Please use the names of the characters and things you are referring to.

I’m still not sure who Doggo is. Is it supposed to be the grey knight leader, Kaldor Draigo?

I assumed it was Leman Russ.

Oh!! That makes so much more sense! Why not just say so though? I don’t get it.

Aash wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Aash wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
The two Legions who for some reason work best together are the Dark Angels and Space Wolves. That's been a fluff item since at least 2nd edition.
They have repeatedly been described as able to overcome insurmountable odds if are able to set aside their grudges and work together.

Yes, that's why it would be logical to find Doggo and then kick some ass, which most here didn't understand and just thought it was a good idea to fight without Doggo.

I’ve been trying to follow this thread, but am finding it very frustrating and increasingly incoherent. Please use the names of the characters and things you are referring to.

I’m still not sure who Doggo is. Is it supposed to be the grey knight leader, Kaldor Draigo?

I assumed it was Leman Russ.

Oh!! That makes so much more sense! Why not just say so though? I don’t get it.

That I cannot answer. Or even guess at...

I feel like hes using all the meme speak from 1d4chan and thinking its clever, when all it really does is come across as weird and obnoxious.

Aash wrote:
I’m still not sure who Doggo is. Is it supposed to be the grey knight leader, Kaldor Draigo?

Doggo = Russ, Primach of Space Wolves?



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 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like hes using all the meme speak from 1d4chan and thinking its clever, when all it really does is come across as weird and obnoxious.

So you want all ork stuff translated into normal english, no more "da red wunz go fasta" but they are obliged to say, "the red ones goes faster"?
No more saying Smurfboy? Now it's Robuste Guilleman?

HexHammer wrote:

Aash wrote:
I’m still not sure who Doggo is. Is it supposed to be the grey knight leader, Kaldor Draigo?

Doggo = Russ, Primach of Space Wolves?

Lovely. So can we say Russ instead please?

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 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like hes using all the meme speak from 1d4chan and thinking its clever, when all it really does is come across as weird and obnoxious.

So you want all ork stuff translated into normal english, no more "da red wunz go fasta" but they are obliged to say, "the red ones goes faster"?
No more saying Smurfboy? Now it's Robuste Guilleman?

Guilliman, but yes.
And you're not using Ork speech, you're just giving Primarchs memey names that are just distracting. By all means, use Ork speech when you're actually referring to Orks, but Orks don't call Russ "doggo", and they don't call Guilliman "smurfboy".

HexHammer wrote:

Aash wrote:
I’m still not sure who Doggo is. Is it supposed to be the grey knight leader, Kaldor Draigo?

Doggo = Russ, Primach of Space Wolves?



Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like hes using all the meme speak from 1d4chan and thinking its clever, when all it really does is come across as weird and obnoxious.

So you want all ork stuff translated into normal english, no more "da red wunz go fasta" but they are obliged to say, "the red ones goes faster"?
No more saying Smurfboy? Now it's Robuste Guilleman?

Firstly, the Primarchs aren't Orks and nowhere in universe are they referred to in this way, so don't use false equivalence to justify your obnoxious way of speaking. Secondly, I'm an Ork player and I don't speak using my faction's type of speech or excessively refer it unless I'm quoting a line from an Ork perspective or something. This isn't reddit or an RP forum where you roleplay the character/race you like, it's common courtesy to speak coherently and clearly, at least if you want people to be receptive to you. With the way you're speaking right now, it's hard to take you seriously and as you've noticed already, it has confused several posters, so if you want to continue having a mutual conversation I would suggest toning down the 1337 meme speak.

HexHammer wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
The two Legions who for some reason work best together are the Dark Angels and Space Wolves. That's been a fluff item since at least 2nd edition.
They have repeatedly been described as able to overcome insurmountable odds if are able to set aside their grudges and work together.

Yes, that's why it would be logical to find Doggo and then kick some ass, which most here didn't understand and just thought it was a good idea to fight without Doggo.

That isn't how logic works.

Finding a single person in the entire expanse of the galaxy, let alone the warp-adjacent parts like the Eye of Terror isn't like popping down to the pub to pick up your buddy.
Its a nigh-hopeless search requiring lifetimes, if it can be done at all. So no, it isn't 'logical' to ignore all the problems and crises that are currently going on in favor of a missing primarch hunt.

People have been looking for Russ for the better part of 10,000 years. Roboute isn't going to show up and say, 'Oh, there he is, let's team up.'

Voss wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
The two Legions who for some reason work best together are the Dark Angels and Space Wolves. That's been a fluff item since at least 2nd edition.
They have repeatedly been described as able to overcome insurmountable odds if are able to set aside their grudges and work together.

Yes, that's why it would be logical to find Doggo and then kick some ass, which most here didn't understand and just thought it was a good idea to fight without Doggo.

That isn't how logic works.

Finding a single person in the entire expanse of the galaxy, let alone the warp-adjacent parts like the Eye of Terror isn't like popping down to the pub to pick up your buddy.
Its a nigh-hopeless search requiring lifetimes, if it can be done at all. So no, it isn't 'logical' to ignore all the problems and crises that are currently going on in favor of a missing primarch hunt.

People have been looking for Russ for the better part of 10,000 years. Roboute isn't going to show up and say, 'Oh, there he is, let's team up.'

Yeah, I'm not sure why Guilliman returning would suddenly make it easier to find Russ, seeing as Guilliman probably has no idea, and the Space Wolves themselves are probably going to have way more information leading to him, and they've been unable to find him for 10,000 years.

Mmm, there were hints the 13th Company when they re-appeared during the Black Crusade were being led by someone as yet unrevealed.
Pulling on that thread would allow GW to re-introduce Russ if they so desired.

Voss wrote:
Its a nigh-hopeless search requiring lifetimes, if it can be done at all. So no, it isn't 'logical' to ignore all the problems and crises that are currently going on in favor of a missing primarch hunt.

People have been looking for Russ for the better part of 10,000 years. Roboute isn't going to show up and say, 'Oh, there he is, let's team up.'

Ofc not, all I was asking that he initiated projects to find Doggo, not to actually find him, that would be too easy and ruin phasing. There should be some more plot points before another Prime dude come into play, that much of the Imperium be overtaken, then in the final hour 1 more Prime dude comes along and save the day. ...or something.

Bran Dawri wrote:Mmm, there were hints the 13th Company when they re-appeared during the Black Crusade were being led by someone as yet unrevealed.
Pulling on that thread would allow GW to re-introduce Russ if they so desired.

Weren't those 13th Company members that were recovered ones that had been trapped mid-Burning of Prospero? If so, wouldn't they have had no knowledge of what Russ was doing long after the Burning?

HexHammer wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its a nigh-hopeless search requiring lifetimes, if it can be done at all. So no, it isn't 'logical' to ignore all the problems and crises that are currently going on in favor of a missing primarch hunt.

People have been looking for Russ for the better part of 10,000 years. Roboute isn't going to show up and say, 'Oh, there he is, let's team up.'

Ofc not, all I was asking that he initiated projects to find Doggo, not to actually find him, that would be too easy and ruin phasing. Three should be some more plot points should another Prime dude come into play, that much of the Imperium be overtaken, then in the final hour 1 more Prime dude come and save the day. ...or something.

Dude, please can you use less memey names. We have no idea what you're talking about.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Dude, please can you use less memey names. We have no idea what you're talking about.

I've corrected some typos that confused the message.

HexHammer wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its a nigh-hopeless search requiring lifetimes, if it can be done at all. So no, it isn't 'logical' to ignore all the problems and crises that are currently going on in favor of a missing primarch hunt.

People have been looking for Russ for the better part of 10,000 years. Roboute isn't going to show up and say, 'Oh, there he is, let's team up.'

Ofc not, all I was asking that he initiated projects to find Doggo, not to actually find him, that would be too easy and ruin phasing. There should be some more plot points before another Prime dude come into play, that much of the Imperium be overtaken, then in the final hour 1 more Prime dude comes along and save the day. ...or something.

You said he was wasting time with other silly stuff when he should go find primarchs:

Only hear these youtube vids about 40k, but shouldn't Smurfboy find the other fellow Primarchs? ..instead of wasting time on silly battles?

That was your whole first post. There's no missing context (beyond the words required to create complete sentences)


I'm not sure why suddenly more of the Imperium should be overtaken or that a 'final hour' should happen, or that anyone should wait that long before doing anything.
The search for lost primarchs are sagas and chapter legends in and of themselves. The search _is_ and _has been_ happening all along.

Sgt_Smudge wrote: Weren't those 13th Company members that were recovered ones that had been trapped mid-Burning of Prospero? If so, wouldn't they have had no knowledge of what Russ was doing long after the Burning?

Not to my knowledge. At the time they were presented as the 13th Company who post-Heresy, post-Scouring ran off to fi d Russ after he'd disappeared.
It's entirely possible that's been retconned since, but even so, it's also possible they'd have met up at some point in the past 10,000 years.
I mean the point was that's a plot thread they could pull on to re-introduce Russ.

Bran Dawri wrote:

Sgt_Smudge wrote: Weren't those 13th Company members that were recovered ones that had been trapped mid-Burning of Prospero? If so, wouldn't they have had no knowledge of what Russ was doing long after the Burning?

Not to my knowledge. At the time they were presented as the 13th Company who post-Heresy, post-Scouring ran off to fi d Russ after he'd disappeared.
It's entirely possible that's been retconned since, but even so, it's also possible they'd have met up at some point in the past 10,000 years.
I mean the point was that's a plot thread they could pull on to re-introduce Russ.

Yeah, I think that's been retconned, or at least altered. Current sources seem to indicate they were lost after/during Prospero, not after the Heresy, so they also would have little idea on Russ' location.

Voss wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its a nigh-hopeless search requiring lifetimes, if it can be done at all. So no, it isn't 'logical' to ignore all the problems and crises that are currently going on in favor of a missing primarch hunt.

People have been looking for Russ for the better part of 10,000 years. Roboute isn't going to show up and say, 'Oh, there he is, let's team up.'

Ofc not, all I was asking that he initiated projects to find Doggo, not to actually find him, that would be too easy and ruin phasing. There should be some more plot points before another Prime dude come into play, that much of the Imperium be overtaken, then in the final hour 1 more Prime dude comes along and save the day. ...or something.

You said he was wasting time with other silly stuff when he should go find primarchs:

Only hear these youtube vids about 40k, but shouldn't Smurfboy find the other fellow Primarchs? ..instead of wasting time on silly battles?

That was your whole first post. There's no missing context (beyond the words required to create complete sentences)


I'm not sure why suddenly more of the Imperium should be overtaken or that a 'final hour' should happen, or that anyone should wait that long before doing anything.
The search for lost primarchs are sagas and chapter legends in and of themselves. The search _is_ and _has been_ happening all along.

What you essentially are saying that Prime dudes doesn't have any other powers than their title, ok? They are not more intelligent?

Smurfboy could fight and look for other Prime dudes at the same time, that's called multitasking. He could pick fights in those suspected areas which would have a suspected hints. He could pick fights with enemies he wanted to interrogate.

HexHammer wrote:
So you want all ork stuff translated into normal english, no more "da red wunz go fasta" but they are obliged to say, "the red ones goes faster"?

But the orks are supposed to be dim.

HexHammer wrote:
What you essentially are saying that Prime dudes doesn't have any other powers than their title, ok? They are not more intelligent?

Smurfboy could fight and look for other Prime dudes at the same time, that's called multitasking. He could pick fights in those suspected areas which would have a suspected hints. He could pick fights with enemies he wanted to interrogate.

Who? I'm afraid you're not being clear.

HexHammer wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Dude, please can you use less memey names. We have no idea what you're talking about.

I've corrected some typos that confused the message.

Your insistence on using ridiculous memey language is what is confusing the message. Please stop.

 insaniak wrote:
Your insistence on using ridiculous memey language is what is confusing the message. Please stop.

I'm sorry, think I need a new lable "puerile obnoxious speaker"? Will that do?

HexHammer wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Your insistence on using ridiculous memey language is what is confusing the message. Please stop.

I'm sorry, think I need a new lable "puerile obnoxious speaker"? Will that do?

Dude, when a mod has to actually tell you in the thread (and edited the thread title too) to make it clear that you should do the easiest of changes and stop using cringey meme names, you should probably go ahead and stop, not double down with flame bait as if you can't stop using "Prime-dude" and "Smurfbro". Internet tourettes isn't a thing.

Guilleman should look around for his bros that might still be alive, like Johnson and russ.

1. the imperium could use their aid.
2. We don't want fabius bile getting his hands on their dna.
3. We don't want 'nids eating them.

BTW, I call the ultramrines primarch "Reroll" for obvious reasons.

 Matt Swain wrote:
BTW, I call the ultramrines primarch "Reroll" for obvious reasons.

You're in the background section, not the rules section. Those reasons aren't obvious to all of us. I mean, I would assume it's something to do with his special rules, but if you just referred to someone named 'Reroll' in a post, I'd have no idea who you were referring to.

Obscure nicknames only work if everyone has the same context to base them on.

The only acceptable nickname for the Ultramarines primarch is Rowboat Girlyman.

Bran Dawri wrote:
The only acceptable nickname for the Ultramarines primarch is Rowboat Girlyman.

No, it's not. It gets old seeing that over and over again, mostly from people who probably can't take the time to learn how to spell his name. I usually stop reading a post when I see that, because the rest that follows is probably useless "I hAtE SmuRfs!" nonsense.

This is the background forum. People should learn how to spell names of characters they want to talk about.

Tyton wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
The only acceptable nickname for the Ultramarines primarch is Rowboat Girlyman.

No, it's not. It gets old seeing that over and over again, mostly from people who probably can't take the time to learn how to spell his name. I usually stop reading a post when I see that, because the rest that follows is probably useless "I hAtE SmuRfs!" nonsense.

This is the background forum. People should learn how to spell names of characters they want to talk about.

ditto mei, t's kind of my personal litmus test if someone's opinion on the Ultramarines is even worth the time to read

Problem is, the primarchs are either missing, dead or unknown.

Missing - this isn’t a case of going to the local tavern to ask about rumours.
Missing in 40k is like trying to find a wooden needle in a million tons of straw.

Dead - they are dead, kind of speaks for its self.

Unknown - worse than missing as they generally know absolutely nothing about what happened.
This means they don’t even have any points of reference for even starting to look.



On top of this, he’s kind of holding the imperium together as it stands.
So he could go and look for them, but risk the imperium falling apart in his absence.


I doubt he’s sat there idle though.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he had scouts and psychics scouring the universe day and night for any traces of them.
Just because it doesn’t specify this doesn’t mean it’s not going on behind the scenes.

He knows another primarch would strengthen them by a great deal, but if he puts too much into it, there won’t be anything left to strengthen.

BrianDavion wrote:

Tyton wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
The only acceptable nickname for the Ultramarines primarch is Rowboat Girlyman.

No, it's not. It gets old seeing that over and over again, mostly from people who probably can't take the time to learn how to spell his name. I usually stop reading a post when I see that, because the rest that follows is probably useless "I hAtE SmuRfs!" nonsense.

This is the background forum. People should learn how to spell names of characters they want to talk about.

ditto mei, t's kind of my personal litmus test if someone's opinion on the Ultramarines is even worth the time to read

Agreed. It's the easiest way to tell if it's actually worth reading, and immediately puts a negative slant on any discussion.

Depends on how you view Guilliman. You could argue that for the good the Imperium, yes he should. You could argue that for the good of the Imperium, he currently cannot.

You could argue that he won't and shouldn't because he's finally where and what he's always wanted to be, the de facto leader of the Imperium.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Depends on how you view Guilliman. You could argue that for the good the Imperium, yes he should. You could argue that for the good of the Imperium, he currently cannot.

You could argue that he won't and shouldn't because he's finally where and what he's always wanted to be, the de facto leader of the Imperium.

I'm not sure about 'always wanted to be'. He wilfully abdicated power, and showed genuine remorse for his actions when he implemented Imperium Secundus (something which he outright refused to be the leader of). My impression of Guilliman is wanting everyone to prosper, but to keep his own pocket empire running.