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 JNAProductions wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Cheaters
Heavily proxied armies (unless it’s a test run)
Unbuilt or completely unpainted armies. Sorry, but a big chunk of 40k for me is the spectacle, and I take no joy from fielding an army I've spent hundreds of hours painting for someone to whack down a bunch of grey plastic that will never even see undercoat.

Agreed on the first.

Agreed on the second.

Partial disagreement on the third-I don't care about painting, though I'd be irked if someone had a bunch of empty bases. But, to each their own.

Yea that’s fine, we both play for different reasons. I have no problem with people just wanting to play the game, but for me the game isn’t that good, and I take more enjoyment from the visual aspect than the game mechanics. As you said, each to their own.

I can't believe I'm the first person to say this but:

Children.

I mean, yeah, usually if I'm at my local store for gaming night there are going to be some snotlings around. It can't really be helped. Honestly I don't mind playing against the ones in high-school or even the well behaved ones that are younger and I've gotten to know them (there are a few at my store that are about 12-14 that are extremely polite, knowlegeable, and great to play with... but I held off a bit at first because I just didn't know.)

But then there are the REAL younguns. Honestly, I just don't enjoy the game when I have to play it with a ten year old. I've seen players at the table next to me throw fits, cry, storm off. I mean, sure, that happens to adults sometimes too (heh, tournaments...) but, well, there it is.

As a rule I just don't care to play against children.

Yeah I wouldn't play with someone under 13 unless I knew them.

If someone brings a completely unpainted, grey tide, latest meta cheese list I'll usually avoid playing them again.

Competitive is perfectly fine, and having a few unpainted models is perfectly fine, it's the combination that turns me off. I don't really get much out of playing games like that. 40k is not a good enough game at a mechanical level for that to be worth it for me.

Oh I've also had people conveniently 'have to leave early' after being visibly annoyed at losing too hard by T3. Like man, just concede at that point, no need to make up some dumb excuse. This happened to me with a father in his late 40s or early 50s, I was honestly shocked at his behavior.

leerm02 wrote:
I can't believe I'm the first person to say this but:

Children.

I mean, yeah, usually if I'm at my local store for gaming night there are going to be some snotlings around. It can't really be helped. Honestly I don't mind playing against the ones in high-school or even the well behaved ones that are younger and I've gotten to know them (there are a few at my store that are about 12-14 that are extremely polite, knowlegeable, and great to play with... but I held off a bit at first because I just didn't know.)

But then there are the REAL younguns. Honestly, I just don't enjoy the game when I have to play it with a ten year old. I've seen players at the table next to me throw fits, cry, storm off. I mean, sure, that happens to adults sometimes too (heh, tournaments...) but, well, there it is.

As a rule I just don't care to play against children.

I dislike them too been wupped at x-wing twice by the same one

I haven't had an incident that made me say "never play that gank ever again" to myself. The few people I've had really bad experiences against (cheating, power gaming) only motivate me to beat them in as Troops heavily as possible. One player insisted on remeasuring every measure I made, even ones where he helped lay out my tape or ones where it was a short range target against a long range weapon with 80% of the tape past the target. I want to play him again solely so I can pull out a pair of tin snips and cut his tape measure off when he constantly remeasures. I would hand him a brand new tape measure alongside a warning that the remeasuremnt shenanigans will end in the same fashion from here on out, but without a replacement tape measure.

I'm assuming that'd be only if you had told them it was meant to be a casual game, and not just in general.

If I'm sitting somewhere and someone comes up and wants to play 40k or any other game, and I have a casual for fun list with me and they have their ITC list, there is no fun to be had in a game against that.

So I would say no thanks. Thats not a personal insult to the person or saying I'd never play that person ever, thats saying thats what causes me to refuse games.

I have no desire to chase after the latest power builds to have fun games. The cost, time, and storage of doing that for years has left me with no room in my house for anything and I said enough was enough.

I don't go out of my way to chase down ITC players to play 40k either. If I ever play 40k its in a campaign for fun environment and usually in a private setting where everyone knows the deal and doesn't show up with their adepticon list.

Creepy Guys.

That's probably about it.


I am not going to refuse a game because my opponent has a good list or is better than me, that would be being a very poor sport about a game.
I am not going to refuse a game because someone is being a little obnoxious about the rules [targeting antennae, etc.] because they are, in fact, playing by the rules and forcing people to play by one's houserules is definitely bad.
I am not going to refuse a game because my opponent is using unpainted models or proxies, because enthusiasm to play is commendable, I'm not going to gatekeep on proficiency or readiness to go all-in, the game is expensive to start and I don't expect someeone to have 2k points right away, and where would I have been if my friends had not been willing to play against Green Army Men way back when I only had like 40 real guardsmen and a tank.

Powergaming: I don't mind people who forget the rules, or ask to go back a bit if they forget something, but the powergaming attitude puts me off that level of play.

I always make a point of asking how competitive someone wants to go when arranging a game. I have no real interest in powergaming, while I have the odd unit which is deemed super-competitive such as a Leviathan, I'm not a fan of the brutally-competitive scene. I did encounter a guy who said he's fine with playing semi-competitive, then rocked up with the standard Broadside-bomb with 2x Riptides and 30+ Shield Drones, his justification being that taking his single Sunshark Bomber made it a semi-competitive list.

I don't have any issues against unpainted models, some of us just don't have the time or resources to crack out a whole army in a short time. If someone wants to proxy some new stuff I'm all for it; if however they decided to proxy their whole army as another one that's where I'd draw the line.


Bad hygiene: come on people, it's not difficult. I get it, after an 8-hour shift we all get a bit pongy, but keep a can of spray in your bag for Christ's sake.

Cheating: Goes without mention, guy pulled a massive hissy after I noticed his cheating at a small scale tourney, kinda put me off tournaments for good.

General bullying: In a few clubs I've been to in the past I've seen people who are...a few pencils short of a pack, and these guys seem to be targets for general ridicule and teasing. Wouldn't ever play them.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Creepy Guys.

That's probably about it.


I am not going to refuse a game because my opponent has a good list or is better than me, that would be being a very poor sport about a game.
I am not going to refuse a game because someone is being a little obnoxious about the rules [targeting antennae, etc.] because they are, in fact, playing by the rules and forcing people to play by one's houserules is definitely bad.
I am not going to refuse a game because my opponent is using unpainted models or proxies, because enthusiasm to play is commendable, I'm not going to gatekeep on proficiency or readiness to go all-in, the game is expensive to start and I don't expect someeone to have 2k points right away, and where would I have been if my friends had not been willing to play against Green Army Men way back when I only had like 40 real guardsmen and a tank.

I have to say, a great policy! Pick up games take some level of tolerance, and when we are tolerant with each other we get a good gaming community. We start to pick up cues about each other and make adjustments. Exception would be for “out of game” personality/safety reasons.

leerm02 wrote:
I can't believe I'm the first person to say this but:

Children.

I mean, yeah, usually if I'm at my local store for gaming night there are going to be some snotlings around. It can't really be helped. Honestly I don't mind playing against the ones in high-school or even the well behaved ones that are younger and I've gotten to know them (there are a few at my store that are about 12-14 that are extremely polite, knowlegeable, and great to play with... but I held off a bit at first because I just didn't know.)

But then there are the REAL younguns. Honestly, I just don't enjoy the game when I have to play it with a ten year old. I've seen players at the table next to me throw fits, cry, storm off. I mean, sure, that happens to adults sometimes too (heh, tournaments...) but, well, there it is.

As a rule I just don't care to play against children.

We have a necron player at our store who is 14, his dad also plays. both are great gamers to hang out with. the MTG groups has one of the members nephew play regularly and he is a bit younger. my problem has never been with younger players in general because most are over 12. the unsupervised game store kid however is a problem.

We had one player in one of the other game groups who let his kid run wild i the store deliberately destroying store terrain. to the point we had to give him an ultimatum-control your child or you are not allowed to play in our store.

It wasn't directly a "i won't play against you" directly but it was kind of indirectly the same thing.

I have a gaming group of long standing and we all know each other and play at the same level of semi-competitive (as in, build lists more for fluff, coolness, or background, but play the best we can). So I have a luxury. I love the hobby side and have multiple tables with lovingly built terrain etc, but do not expect that from you. Show some enthusiasm and you're cool at our table!

(Purposefully being a bit over the top and hyperbolic here)
I will say it is the uber competitive side that turns me off a bit. As others have said before, the game mechanics themselves are not designed well enough for it to really be a game of skill, so list building, buying, and chasing the meta have more to do with "killer" lists than any genius. So who doesn't get a return game from me?

1: The table you by turn two is my goal, lists. Rarely a real feat in 40k. Just google for 3 minutes and get the most efficient damage dealer, then insist on Planet Bowlingball. If I hear you bragging about some broken combo, you're out. (I always remember the clerk from Last Grenadier who never tired of talking about how Deathmaster Snihk could get 40+ attacks that wound on 2+ and give no save...yeah, takes skill to win a game with a model that doesn't appear on the table until you say, appears where you say, and destroys the enemy general and his entire unit every time.)

2: It's only fun to win guy. Wrong. It's fun to play. Losing a game by 1-2 VP's is generally far more fun than winning by 4+ for me. This is 3-4 hours of my time (or more), why use that not having fun?

3: Not involved opponent. Play the game, have fun, joke and discuss and laugh. Do not sit there on your phone, or spend the majority of the time away from the table. if you'd rather be doing that, go do it. Hey, if you want to talk movies, or video games or whatever, I'm there man! I probably love them too!

4: The person who gets their self-worth from telling others how poor their (choose any or all): unit choices, gear choices, tactical choices, etc etc etc. We all have insecurity, please recognize that most the behavior stated is insecurity, and we aren't fooled by your attempts to boost your own self-esteem. This is my definition of Neckbearding, others may vary. (Okay, simplified, I know, and yeah, I absolutely have my own insecurities and fall under this at times as we all do.)

Hmmm, may have taken this a bit too serious. I really can't say enough about having your own long-term group of people to play with.

Outright Nazi imagery on their minis. Swastika armbands and gak like that. That's probably it.

For me it's simple:. I refuse to play people where I don't have a fun game against them consistently. The criteria for that is rather vague I admit, but it's just a feeling I have after the game where I don't feel like I had fun whether due to their list or how they played or anything else. If I don't feel like I enjoy games against particular people I try to avoid playing them.

Unfortunately a few people like this are actually pretty good friends of mine and I enjoy talking to them about the game, but I don't enjoy playing them.

The only real disqualifier for me is attitude.

Context:
I am a behavioral analyst. I deal with children who have been victims of abuse and neglect. I work for the state. My decisions oftentimes are used in determining whether or not Timmy gets to go home to his family or if he needs to be taken away. I assist in investigations by the state. I have seen, heard, and watched gak that would keep you from sleeping for a while.

This is all to say that when I play Warhammer 40,000, its a release from all of that. It's an opportunity to not worry about any of those things (like most others, I'm sure). The last thing I personally want is to feel stressed and anxious about playing a game. So for me, if the person is angry, complaining, frustrated, (and I'm not talking about just being irritated at a string of bad rolls, we all have been there), or otherwise just kind of being an ass about playing, then I'm not interested in playing them.

I tend not to play a lot of competitive games because I tend to build my armies based on what I like more than what is actually the mathematically strongest at the time, but if someone asks for a game and they want to play a hard list that's fine, I will warn them that I might not give them the challenge they may be asking for, but I can try and as long as we have a few laughs and enjoy the game, I don't really care otherwise.

BO/Bad hygiene

Reading this, it’s reassuring to see no one say they refuse to play with new players like myself.

 Khalith wrote:
Reading this, it’s reassuring to see no one say they refuse to play with new players like myself.

I love to bring people into the gaming community so no there is no hostility towards new players no matter the game system. without community why do we even build armies?


the one thing i always see as a sign that i did a good job teaching or demoing is if the new play had fun.

When i see some players go all hardcore/tournament on somebody trying to learn the game is annoys me because it gives them a negative incentive to move further into the game. why continue play when your first experience is to be curb stomped?

 Khalith wrote:
Reading this, it’s reassuring to see no one say they refuse to play with new players like myself.

I actually like playing new people. Nothing gets a group going again (or me) than a new, enthusiastic player who finds surprise and wonder in the game. It brings some of the same to me! So step up to the table my friend and have fun!

I've had people threaten to out me, be maliciously and aggressively transphobic, and the FLGS backed the guy, as did the local 40k community, so unless I'm playing by myself, there's no one locally that I feel safe with, and no store that is safe.

In 3ed or 4th edition at a store that is now closed i had my tau army fully wysiwg but i had the choice of 2 opponents. One was a proxies person having a few mismatched models (squad of necrons, space marines, guard and what nought.) The other had a fully painted sisters but something seemed off. and boy how it was off during the game faith points reload every turn type bad. that was a fun summer the other close flgs was on a warhammer not 40k year theses games got me into warhammer finally. only modern time was in a tournament and space marine gunline versus my custodians terrain screwed me all tournament till i got to the last game i said screw it after him shooting clear though a 12 inch building because my weapon was showing I conceded right there.

 Blndmage wrote:
I've had people threaten to out me, be maliciously and aggressively transphobic, and the FLGS backed the guy, as did the local 40k community, so unless I'm playing by myself, there's no one locally that I feel safe with, and no store that is safe.

I'm sorry to hear that. :(

I hope you're able to find some friends you can enjoy the hobby with, or whatever makes you happy.

My gut answer to this is a Space Wolf army.

If they didn't took a bath or a shower in the last 24 hours.

 Khalith wrote:
Reading this, it’s reassuring to see no one say they refuse to play with new players like myself.

Everyone likes new players. Well, at least anyone who is going to be in the position to play a new player. I wouldn't be the least bit self-conscious about being new pr cautious you're not going to be welcomed, all you have to do is let people know it's your first game / first few games but you're eager to learn. Generally speaking, there's nothing people like more than helping someone else get into the game.

 Khalith wrote:
Reading this, it’s reassuring to see no one say they refuse to play with new players like myself.

now way! new players are my favorite! they seem to be more into the lore and the discovery, and the games tend to be more relaxing (and I like helping them win when they think they cant!)

Plus where else are you going to get easy victories new friends?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus where else are you going to get easy victories new friends?

They usually kick my butt because i help them write a decent list

 aphyon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus where else are you going to get easy victories new friends?

They usually kick my butt because i help them write a decent list

LOL. Exact same here. I will walk through a few concepts of how to play and help them make a good decision or two against me and then BAM! i end up loosing, no matter how hard i try! (I swear, the luck gods see this happening and they are like "oh, you are helping them huh? well, I better join in and give them a little hand up. Those lascannons into your repulsor, how does 11 damage sound? Those BS4 autocannons, how about you fail every save and go ahead and lose that squad early...)

Hmmm. IRL there was a player who would bring a Taunar Drone spam list to the store. To be fair, it was usually the only model on the table and we would have a higher points advantage but the thing was still unbeatable. Every game was just shooting drones your whole turn, then it would just heal up wash, rinse repeat.

Hypothetical, someone's 3D printed Armored Company would be a big nope. Tank lists arent fun to play against to begin with, you could at least spring for actual models.... Take your win. I'll just paint today.