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I converted mine with the Bladeguard Ancient helm, looks so badass. I like the model because he is like a Chaplain, but different. Its always good to have more choices no matter what army you play, the ability is decent. Like others have pointed out he will be charging out of a transport so only time its useful is if a strong character charges him and the squad he is with.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Y'all are bonkers. A model with zero mobility himself is going to be thrown via transport or Strat with all his other supported units charging. Know what that means?

You were already fighting first to begin with. No prolonged combat happens anymore. It's a pretty meh ability overall.

Oh and the model is rad. Anyone making complaints is hypocritical if they aren't doing the same to any of the Chaplain models.

Chaplain looks great, Judicar looks dumb. Judicar looks too try-hard.

CSM got the master of executions, so GW figured that the SM needed one as well, and that it needed to be better.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
CSM got the master of executions, so GW figured that the SM needed one as well, and that it needed to be better.

oof. That one hurts.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
CSM got the master of executions, so GW figured that the SM needed one as well, and that it needed to be better.

oof. That one hurts.

I mean, he isn't wrong, but csm atleast got the tools to somewhat Make the moe work...
Somewhat beeing a really wonky description..

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
CSM got the master of executions, so GW figured that the SM needed one as well, and that it needed to be better.

I prefer the Chaos one actually, more attacks. STR 8, re rolls against characters, and 6" heroic intervention vs characters.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Y'all are bonkers. A model with zero mobility himself is going to be thrown via transport or Strat with all his other supported units charging. Know what that means?

You were already fighting first to begin with. No prolonged combat happens anymore. It's a pretty meh ability overall.

Oh and the model is rad. Anyone making complaints is hypocritical if they aren't doing the same to any of the Chaplain models.

Chaplain looks great, Judicar looks dumb. Judicar looks too try-hard.

How is this:

ANYMORE try hard than this:

I got a spoiler for you: it's not. Everyone already knows you have a hateboner for Primaris and can't look at them for a proper evaluation of the model.

 Crusaderobr wrote:
I converted mine with the Bladeguard Ancient helm, looks so badass. I like the model because he is like a Chaplain, but different. Its always good to have more choices no matter what army you play, the ability is decent. Like others have pointed out he will be charging out of a transport so only time its useful is if a strong character charges him and the squad he is with.

More options is generally good.

But do Space Marines have a need for that? Especially compared to, say, Dark Eldar?

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Crusaderobr wrote:
I converted mine with the Bladeguard Ancient helm, looks so badass. I like the model because he is like a Chaplain, but different. Its always good to have more choices no matter what army you play, the ability is decent. Like others have pointed out he will be charging out of a transport so only time its useful is if a strong character charges him and the squad he is with.

More options is generally good.

But do Space Marines have a need for that? Especially compared to, say, Dark Eldar?

Yes, but the reason for it is unique to GW. GW has to sell kits to make money to keep the lights on, and the only way to do that is to keep doing what they are doing. The nice thing is, they are refreshing kits from Dark Eldar and other races, we just have to wait and see if we can get NEW kits for Dark Eldar and other armies for 9th edition after more Primaris releases. Hopefully that is the case and we get more options.

Apple fox wrote:
Honestly I think it just looks bad, and being that the model is ceremonial. And a lot of flat blades come from ceremonial combat and specific martial arts it looks with the rest of the peace mis designed.
The blade itself could be used in combat, but one handed and with a unwieldy weapon it all comes off as a whole very meh. When they would be far more effective with a normal length blade, as well as a point in combat being effective for a number of reasons. Probably leads to a lot of deaths.

It always amuses me how completely arbitrary people are with these types of complaints. Imagine complaining about muh realism and practicality in a setting where it's standard practice to show up to a firefight with chainsaws and guns that have a reputation for exploding and vaporizing half a fireteam.

Complaining about the practicality of using that Blade one handed is asinine in a universe where, not only do Power Fists exist, Power Fists are regularly outfitted with a Chainsaw.

Breton wrote:


They needed the Outriders especially if old marines are going away. Assault Marines got boned by the changes to Pistol+CCW, Charging, etc. in 8th.

Well, SM didn't need any of the primaris either to be honest. And nothing is going away anytime soon.

I like all the space marine players being all like,

'Well it's good to have more choice. I wanted more chaplin like characters for my force, adds real variety.'


Have you even _Seen_ the amount of choice in your codex?

Great, choice is nice. Maybe some other factions would like some choices too?

Karol wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Yeah, the background explaining where the time-manipulating hourglasses came from should be interesting.

I wonder if this means the Chapter Serfs can't boil eggs any more...

Don't the imperial inquisition and squats use temporal equipment and weapons? Looks like the tech heretic Cawl started cloning equipment he had no right to clone.

Guilliman spent something like 10,000 years in a stasis field, and the Dark Angels drop literarily literal stasis bombs.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Honestly I think it just looks bad, and being that the model is ceremonial. And a lot of flat blades come from ceremonial combat and specific martial arts it looks with the rest of the peace mis designed.
The blade itself could be used in combat, but one handed and with a unwieldy weapon it all comes off as a whole very meh. When they would be far more effective with a normal length blade, as well as a point in combat being effective for a number of reasons. Probably leads to a lot of deaths.

It always amuses me how completely arbitrary people are with these types of complaints. Imagine complaining about muh realism and practicality in a setting where it's standard practice to show up to a firefight with chainsaws and guns that have a reputation for exploding and vaporizing half a fireteam.

I don’t particularly like all those elements as presented ether, and I like settings to have grounding within there own narrative. It shouldn’t be hard for people to understand that, but it seems so at times.
As GW moves away from parody and a grimdark look at themes, into a desire for a more serious setting they are going to have to accept people looking at the setting this way.

So, the Judicar carrying a semi-impractical melee weapon (even though it existed in our real life world, in some capacity) should be right at home in a narrative full of people carrying massively impractical melee weapons.

If we're talking about "grounding within their own narrative", that is.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
So, the Judicar carrying a semi-impractical melee weapon (even though it existed in our real life world, in some capacity) should be right at home in a narrative full of people carrying massively impractical melee weapons.

If we're talking about "grounding within their own narrative", that is.

You realise that is the reason I said I think it just looks bad, and I gave reasons why I thought it did on top of just looking bad.

But, with space marines it’s a constant of mah fantasy until something comes up and suddenly it’s all realism and justification.

I'll never get people who complain about things not being "realistic" or "practical" in 40k. there aren't many examples of practical items in the entire Imperium

Why they needed him? Cool sword.

Why his rules weren't based on, say, the Executioner from CSM and are instead the way way better rules that they are?

You know why.


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Apple fox wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
So, the Judicar carrying a semi-impractical melee weapon (even though it existed in our real life world, in some capacity) should be right at home in a narrative full of people carrying massively impractical melee weapons.

If we're talking about "grounding within their own narrative", that is.

You realise that is the reason I said I think it just looks bad, and I gave reasons why I thought it did on top of just looking bad.

But, with space marines it’s a constant of mah fantasy until something comes up and suddenly it’s all realism and justification.

I mean I'm on the marine players side here but I know their opinions on """"""""""""""""""realism""""""""""""""""" when it comes to...other stuff. Other stuff like organ transplants in the year M41 having to obey imaginary rules that organ transplants don't have to obey today in M3.

 Crusaderobr wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Crusaderobr wrote:
I converted mine with the Bladeguard Ancient helm, looks so badass. I like the model because he is like a Chaplain, but different. Its always good to have more choices no matter what army you play, the ability is decent. Like others have pointed out he will be charging out of a transport so only time its useful is if a strong character charges him and the squad he is with.

More options is generally good.

But do Space Marines have a need for that? Especially compared to, say, Dark Eldar?

Yes, but the reason for it is unique to GW. GW has to sell kits to make money to keep the lights on, and the only way to do that is to keep doing what they are doing.

Where does this logic come from?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Y'all are bonkers. A model with zero mobility himself is going to be thrown via transport or Strat with all his other supported units charging. Know what that means?

You were already fighting first to begin with. No prolonged combat happens anymore. It's a pretty meh ability overall.

Oh and the model is rad. Anyone making complaints is hypocritical if they aren't doing the same to any of the Chaplain models.

Chaplain looks great, Judicar looks dumb. Judicar looks too try-hard.

How is this:

Spoiler:

ANYMORE try hard than this:

Spoiler:

I got a spoiler for you: it's not. Everyone already knows you have a hateboner for Primaris and can't look at them for a proper evaluation of the model.

Well for one the Chaplain doesn't look like a 16 y/o Camgirl trying too hard with the off-the-shoulder look.

I don't know the lore behind the Justicar, I just dislike the model. The sword specifically. The point beats the edge, yet he's got an executioner's sword not a fighting sword. The off the shoulder coat is also a little idiotic.

the_scotsman wrote:
Why they needed him? Cool sword.

Why his rules weren't based on, say, the Executioner from CSM and are instead the way way better rules that they are?

You know why.


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Apple fox wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
So, the Judicar carrying a semi-impractical melee weapon (even though it existed in our real life world, in some capacity) should be right at home in a narrative full of people carrying massively impractical melee weapons.

If we're talking about "grounding within their own narrative", that is.

You realise that is the reason I said I think it just looks bad, and I gave reasons why I thought it did on top of just looking bad.

But, with space marines it’s a constant of mah fantasy until something comes up and suddenly it’s all realism and justification.

I mean I'm on the marine players side here but I know their opinions on """"""""""""""""""realism""""""""""""""""" when it comes to...other stuff. Other stuff like organ transplants in the year M41 having to obey imaginary rules that organ transplants don't have to obey today in M3.

Need a thumbs Up emote, my English is not the best but I think you understand me here. I think it’s just not a very good looking model, and a lot of that is based in the way some of it’s design is done.
Considering how many conversions I have seen, and how positive the changes are with just simple head and weapon swaps I don’t think I am really that different.

Kayback wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Y'all are bonkers. A model with zero mobility himself is going to be thrown via transport or Strat with all his other supported units charging. Know what that means?

You were already fighting first to begin with. No prolonged combat happens anymore. It's a pretty meh ability overall.

Oh and the model is rad. Anyone making complaints is hypocritical if they aren't doing the same to any of the Chaplain models.

Chaplain looks great, Judicar looks dumb. Judicar looks too try-hard.

How is this:

Spoiler:

ANYMORE try hard than this:

Spoiler:

I got a spoiler for you: it's not. Everyone already knows you have a hateboner for Primaris and can't look at them for a proper evaluation of the model.

Well for one the Chaplain doesn't look like a 16 y/o Camgirl trying too hard with the off-the-shoulder look.

I don't know the lore behind the Justicar, I just dislike the model. The sword specifically. The point beats the edge, yet he's got an executioner's sword not a fighting sword. The off the shoulder coat is also a little idiotic.

If cam girls were wearing a bunch of armor you'd have a point. However, robes to begin with are already stupid on Power Armor yet nobody complains about that. Also you seem to forget that executioner's Sword vs "fighting sword" is a silly complaint in the universe where chainsaws are magically used without getting clogged or Genestealer Cults are regularly using Power Pickaxes to fight or Crowe's "fighting sword" does not even have a single point of AP but Chainswords now do.

At which point choosing to suspend disbelief for one but not the other is pretty darn silly. The model is fine, maybe even great. However the absolutely irrational hatred of Primaris seeks to take over. If it were a Manlet Marine you'd be all over it, guaranteed.

Apple fox wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Why they needed him? Cool sword.

Why his rules weren't based on, say, the Executioner from CSM and are instead the way way better rules that they are?

You know why.


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Apple fox wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
So, the Judicar carrying a semi-impractical melee weapon (even though it existed in our real life world, in some capacity) should be right at home in a narrative full of people carrying massively impractical melee weapons.

If we're talking about "grounding within their own narrative", that is.

You realise that is the reason I said I think it just looks bad, and I gave reasons why I thought it did on top of just looking bad.

But, with space marines it’s a constant of mah fantasy until something comes up and suddenly it’s all realism and justification.

I mean I'm on the marine players side here but I know their opinions on """"""""""""""""""realism""""""""""""""""" when it comes to...other stuff. Other stuff like organ transplants in the year M41 having to obey imaginary rules that organ transplants don't have to obey today in M3.

Need a thumbs Up emote, my English is not the best but I think you understand me here. I think it’s just not a very good looking model, and a lot of that is based in the way some of it’s design is done.
Considering how many conversions I have seen, and how positive the changes are with just simple head and weapon swaps I don’t think I am really that different.

it's fine. It's got some things I just have to laugh at: An Hourglass, an item you use by turning it end-over-end, being suspended by the top with a chain....what does he do when the sand falls to the bottom, just, awkwardly kind of try to yo-yo it up into his one free hand so he can hold it the other way round? Also, the fact he's wearing a Skull Mask isn't immediately obvious because of the bandanna so it just looks like he's got voldemort face...

but like, come on. A realism complaint about his huge fething sword? In Warhammer goddamn forty thousand?

Absolutely, its a pretty silly complaint.

Like, fair enough if you just don't like the aesthetics. Each to their own, its a valid opinion even if I don't agree.

But if you seriously have an issue with it on the grounds of its practicality as a weapon!? Yeah, there are so many much bigger fish to fry in this setting.

Overall I think they knocked this model out of the park, its awesome.

Apple fox wrote:You realise that is the reason I said I think it just looks bad, and I gave reasons why I thought it did on top of just looking bad.

It's totally fine to think it looks bad just aesthetically, but then you starting going all in with "but that's ceremonial and wouldn't be effective in combat", which doesn't make sense considering all the chainswords and other impractical weapons in display.

But, with space marines it’s a constant of mah fantasy until something comes up and suddenly it’s all realism and justification.

Nah, we're just saying that swords like that *did* exist, which makes your appeals to "it's impractical" a little odd.
Obviously, using that sword in combat *is* impractical - but so is using a chainsword. And, if someone disliked a chainsword on aesthetics, they're welcome to - but if they started saying about how it's totally impractical, then I'd simply remind them that it's fantasy.

the_scotsman wrote:I mean I'm on the marine players side here but I know their opinions on """"""""""""""""""realism""""""""""""""""" when it comes to...other stuff. Other stuff like organ transplants in the year M41 having to obey imaginary rules that organ transplants don't have to obey today in M3.

Yeah, especially when a lot of those "opinions" on organ and biological """""realism"""" are used as a way to marginalise people in the hobby.



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I mean, yeah, I have some aesthetic issues with the model. Really not keen on the head personally, but I have tonnes of spare heads for just this purpose, so if/when I pick up my own, I'll be just replacing the head.

But the sword, off the shoulder robes, and mismatched pauldrons? I like them.

Slayer-Fan123 791563 10914312 wrote:
If cam girls were wearing a bunch of armor you'd have a point. However, robes to begin with are already stupid on Power Armor yet nobody complains about that.

Italian men at arms or knights wore surcoat or jupon, over their full plate harnass. Same with german knights, and a large number of french knights. The only ones that didn't were men at arms and knights from british isles, which was considered uncultural and barbaric by everyone.

Karol wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 791563 10914312 wrote:
If cam girls were wearing a bunch of armor you'd have a point. However, robes to begin with are already stupid on Power Armor yet nobody complains about that.

Italian men at arms or knights wore surcoat or jupon, over their full plate harnass. Same with german knights, and a large number of french knights. The only ones that didn't were men at arms and knights from british isles, which was considered uncultural and barbaric by everyone.

And yet it's still stupid

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Y'all are bonkers. A model with zero mobility himself is going to be thrown via transport or Strat with all his other supported units charging. Know what that means?

You were already fighting first to begin with. No prolonged combat happens anymore. It's a pretty meh ability overall.

Oh and the model is rad. Anyone making complaints is hypocritical if they aren't doing the same to any of the Chaplain models.

Chaplain looks great, Judicar looks dumb. Judicar looks too try-hard.

How is this:

Spoiler:

ANYMORE try hard than this:

Spoiler:

I got a spoiler for you: it's not. Everyone already knows you have a hateboner for Primaris and can't look at them for a proper evaluation of the model.

Never said I liked that Chaplain model. I was comparing to the Chaplain that came in the set the Judicar came in. So there

It was considered something both fashionable and important to knight/justing tournament culture.

And it was especialy worn by those few and rare women who actualy doned armour, and made their trade in the martial profession. As it made them even less recognisable as not men.

Woring an unadorned armour, was popular on the isles, but everyone one considered that to be barbaric and not something a cultural man would do.

Saying it is stupid, is like saying that maces and warhammers are stupid as weapons in an armoured warriors setting.