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**Gert**

The paid part of the current AoS app, Azyr, is different from the free version on WarCom, there are bonus features that make it worth it maybe? All I know is that there are differences and I very much doubt GW is going to get rid of Warscroll Builder, Combat Roster, Varanscribe, and the Kill Team Command Roster when the new AoS app drops.

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kodos wrote:
why should you pay more if you don't need it?

you pay more for an army builder for a game you don't play, animations for the game you don't play, an advertising brochure, and videos you get on youtube

not really an argument why the new version is better than the old one

Again, if someone wants the content available on Warhammer + then also getting the 40k and AoS apps included is a good deal. It's not for everyone and I don't think anyone has pretended it will be.
For what the app is offering I'm sold:

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**Togusa**

Cronch wrote:
They're not there for the Dominion box so...make of that what you will.

Not the full rules either I'd imagine. A lot of these units are pretty barebones as is.

**tneva82**

How many different subscribtion models you expect GW to provide?

"This for that, another for that, yet another for yet another version".

**kodos**

Gert wrote:
Again, if someone wants the content available

of course, if someone wants to content, but everyone who just wants the current AoS App and full digital Battledomes loses those and gains nothing but has to pay more for it

tneva82 wrote:How many different subscribtion models you expect GW to provide
"This for that, another for that, yet another for yet another version".

GW party confirmed that there will be 3, one for WH+ and you can get each App on its own

**Gert**

Did you read the part where I said it wasn't for everyone? For me it's worth it because I play both 40k and AoS, plus I'm up for the content thats going to be on Warhammer +.
For you it's not the same.
If GW is removing digital Codexes/Battletomes then it'll be on the lines of them not wanting parts of their product to be reliant on 3rd party systems.

**AduroT**

As they put out new apps that have some of the rules for their stuff? How is that not reliant on third party systems? No, they just want to force people to buy the more expensive paper books.

**Gert**

Because it's GW's apps and not an e-reader made by another company. And yes they want people to buy their product, that's how companies work.

**AduroT**

I purchased and read my digital books for AoS on the AoS app. I was Already buying their product. They have removed the option for me to give them money for the product I want.

**chaos0xomega**

Gert wrote:
You say that like playing with points is the only way to play 40k. Yeah, the 40k Combat Roster uses Power Rating but for quick and easy pick up games I've found it much better to use it. It's also not a buggy mess that has to be updated every time I use it.
The AoS version only has points and includes options for subfaction/realm/allies/artefacts choices all of which will be shown on the roster. Honestly it's a better option than Battlescribe for AoS.

The biggest surprise here is that you know people who play games based on power rating. I don't know anyone who will play with PR, the only people who were open to it changed their minds after playing a few games with it and concluding that it insufficiently balanced the forces against eachother.

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AduroT wrote:
I purchased and read my digital books for AoS on the AoS app. I was Already buying their product. They have removed the option for me to give them money for the product I want.

Likewise.

**Gert**

chaos0xomega wrote:

The biggest surprise here is that you know people who play games based on power rating. I don't know anyone who will play with PR, the only people who were open to it changed their minds after playing a few games with it and concluding that it insufficiently balanced the forces against eachother.

It's all my group used for the whole of 8th. Balance wasn't an issue because we weren't trying to break the system and played WYSIWYG, no 10 man units of Deathwatch Veterans all with Frag Cannons and stuff like that. I also spent a lot of time at my local GW, where pick-up games used power. The only times I've had issues with it is when playing a very competitive individual who would've smoked me even if we were using points.

**tneva82**

chaos0xomega wrote:

The biggest surprise here is that you know people who play games based on power rating. I don't know anyone who will play with PR, the only people who were open to it changed their minds after playing a few games with it and concluding that it insufficiently balanced the forces against eachother.

Balance wise both points and PL SUCK. Then again balance isn't even goal of either. Both suck equally for that. What differs is what is broken differs. Either way only fool expects balance from either. It's not even goal for either. For balance you can use neither points nor PL.

**chaos0xomega**

Gert wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:

The biggest surprise here is that you know people who play games based on power rating. I don't know anyone who will play with PR, the only people who were open to it changed their minds after playing a few games with it and concluding that it insufficiently balanced the forces against eachother.

It's all my group used for the whole of 8th. Balance wasn't an issue because we weren't trying to break the system and played WYSIWYG, no 10 man units of Deathwatch Veterans all with Frag Cannons and stuff like that. I also spent a lot of time at my local GW, where pick-up games used power. The only times I've had issues with it is when playing a very competitive individual who would've smoked me even if we were using points.

Thats kind of the problem we have, very mixed group running from ultra-casual narrative types to ultra-competitive borderline TFG types. One side of that spectrum ruined the experience for the other side.

tneva82 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:

The biggest surprise here is that you know people who play games based on power rating. I don't know anyone who will play with PR, the only people who were open to it changed their minds after playing a few games with it and concluding that it insufficiently balanced the forces against eachother.

Balance wise both points and PL SUCK. Then again balance isn't even goal of either. Both suck equally for that. What differs is what is broken differs. Either way only fool expects balance from either. It's not even goal for either. For balance you can use neither points nor PL.

Agreed, but PL turned out to be way easier to abuse than matched points were I guess.

**Gert**

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thats kind of the problem we have, very mixed group running from ultra-casual narrative types to ultra-competitive borderline TFG types. One side of that spectrum ruined the experience for the other side.

At that point, it isn't going to matter if you're playing Points or Power because the ultra-comp side will be taking the top tier things regardless.

Agreed, but PL turned out to be way easier to abuse than matched points were I guess.

I don't think this is true since anything that could be abused, like spamming a specific weapon, can easily be discouraged by WYSIWYG. I'm not spending £20 on eBay to kit out a 5 man Deathwatch unit with Frag Cannons on top of the £25 I'm already paying and I think most people would be similar.

**Stux**

I actually think a lot of people do pick up parts on ebay to make the units the loadout you want them to be. If I'm already spending £25 on a kit and a good amount of time painting them up too, I want them to be how I want them and if that means spending another chunk of money on ebay then so be it.

Sure it will vary from person to person and group to group, but personally I don't think WYSIWYG does much to mitigate the balance issues of PL at all, if PL is the standard for the group.

**Gert**

I think people are focusing on the wrong thing though. If someone was always going to take the most optimum loadout on their top tier units, then it isn't a balance issue its a player issue. That person wouldn't be any easier to beat because they're playing points because all they'll do is change the list to be optimised for points.
Regardless this has gotten quite off topic. The WarCom AoS army builder is good, use it.

**Stux**

I dont think its that simple though. People wanting their models to do well in game is not inherently a player issue in my opinion.

I'm not a WAAC player, but I still enjoy the act of list optimisation.