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**NinthMusketeer**

AduroT wrote:
Unfortunately if it’s like 40k, the app doesn’t actually have all the rules from the physical book.

The current AoS one has the entire books, so we'll see.

**AduroT**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Unfortunately if it’s like 40k, the app doesn’t actually have all the rules from the physical book.
The current AoS one has the entire books, so we'll see.

Yeah, but I assume the new one will be a copy of the 40k one. I hope I’m wrong.

**chaos0xomega**

Pretty sure they already confirmed the current AoS app is going away and the new app will mirror the functionality of the 40k app

**Elmir**

They are moving to the gakky 40k model of having to subscribe to an app if you want any form of digital version of the books you already own.

If you are enough of a corporate meatshield to think that's a good thing, check out the feedback section on google play for the 40k app.

**stratigo**

ccs wrote:
stratigo wrote:
This is one of the most fethed business moves GW has made and it infuriates me. It's nothing but corporate greed for an ancillary product to their already expensive models. GW could make their rules all free and it wouldn't impact their bottom line at all.

I'm sure their accountants etc know what'll affect their bottom line (and how) far better than you do.

stratigo wrote:
And they can't even do it in a competent manner. No, it has to be married to a buggy mess of an app that doesn't work properly. If the AoS one somehow works and isn't a trashfire like the 40k one, I'll eat a hat.

So just don't subscribe to the app.

"Quick! Someone is mad at a multimillion dollar company! Activate the simpmobile!"

kodos wrote:
Stux wrote:
Hmm, I'd want to see some stats on that. Especially when you need several large, high gloss books to play this game.

Also assuming this is based on continually accessing the epub from cloud storage, rather than saving locally once (with maybe an update every 6 months).

there are several studies out there

usually with an iPad, it takes 10-30 books (plain text 400 pages) printed in the US to break even on Carbon Footprint, if the iPad was only purchased to read those books
if it is used for other stuff and/or mainly bought for something else and you use it to read books too, it comes down to 4-8 books

depending on what ink is used and where the trees were cut for the paper the numbers vary a lot (and we have accurate data for printing in china, although transport has a minor impact, the calculations are done with local products and not oversea shipping)

now we are talking about 2 hardback all 3 years (rulebook and battledome/codex) and a "softcover" (GHB) each year, printed in China, shipped to the UK/US at minimum which would mean that if you bought an iPad only to read AoS books, you need to stay 9 years in the Hobby to be better off with digital books

The number of people that bought ipads to play warhammer hovers around, I estimate, 0 and 0.1 percent.

Are you serious with this argument?

Also, do you play this hobby? No really? Cause even for just one system I have never gotten away with using just three books by the end of an edition. And considering you also play 40k, let's stop pretending this argument is anything but alt rightesque concern trolling.

**kodos**

I guess you don't know what "minimum" means (or how such estimations work) and don't read what is written, as I talk about 5 books in 3 years, not 3 books

have you actually played ever outside a GW store?
I know more people playing 40k that never bought a single book at all than those that buy more than the RB+Codex

but hey if this is alt-right trolling, please go on and buy all books from GW each edition, no one is going to stop you while most others are just using Battlescribe and buy no book at all
and GW is happy that their new business model is so successful and you are happy because all the alt-right trolls were wrong about no e-books is a bad idea

**stratigo**

kodos wrote:
I guess you don't know what "minimum" means (or how such estimations work) and don't read what is written, as I talk about 5 books in 3 years, not 3 books

have you actually played ever outside a GW store?
I know more people playing 40k that never bought a single book at all than those that buy more than the RB+Codex

but hey if this is alt-right trolling, please go on and buy all books from GW each edition, no one is going to stop you while most others are just using Battlescribe and buy no book at all
and GW is happy that their new business model is so successful and you are happy because all the alt-right trolls were wrong about no e-books is a bad idea

I'm sorry, but going "Using an Ipad is totally worse on the environment then buying all the books" is super trolly using moon logic of "If you only use that Ipad for Warhammer" and "And you only ever buy the minimum books, but not really"

If you are advocating for not buying the books, I am with you, but your post was the absolute opposite using right wing moonlogic of "acshully, YOU are the polluter for NOT buying them" to someone with concerns over buying paper products.

**kodos**

as I said, go back and read all the posts of that discussion because I don't think you understood were this is coming from or what questions were asked that I answered in my post

and if you think that supporting/counter an argument with facts is alt-right trolling, well.....

**AduroT**

See I just don’t want to have to store three dozen plus books for all the various game systems I play and like being able to have every rule for every game with me whenever I have my phone on me. I also have an iPad I use when actually playing games.

**Stux**

Well, that took quite a turn...

Anyway, I certainly wasn't imagining I was buying a device primarily to access epubs. I can see if you are factoring the production of the device against the books how the device could be worse.

But I was planning to look at epubs on my phone. That's a lot better than physical books then right? Given I have my phone already, and looks like I'll always have one.

**kodos**

yes, as soon as you bought the device for something else and/or have more than 30 epub your carbon footprint is better with the digital version

PS: still not sure if this can backfire to GW or not, AoS players are used to more free stuff and full digital content for cheap fom GW were 40k players are used to Battlescribe and "backup's" from Russia

so both groups are very different and are expected to react very different to the same new digital model
but with the argument that this is better for climate going around, no matter how niche the situation must be for it to be true, this can change some peoples mind to accept it (while otherwise it has the potential to kill the interest for AoS)

**ccs**

stratigo wrote:
ccs wrote:
stratigo wrote:
This is one of the most fethed business moves GW has made and it infuriates me. It's nothing but corporate greed for an ancillary product to their already expensive models. GW could make their rules all free and it wouldn't impact their bottom line at all.

I'm sure their accountants etc know what'll affect their bottom line (and how) far better than you do.

stratigo wrote:
And they can't even do it in a competent manner. No, it has to be married to a buggy mess of an app that doesn't work properly. If the AoS one somehow works and isn't a trashfire like the 40k one, I'll eat a hat.

So just don't subscribe to the app.

"Quick! Someone is mad at a multimillion dollar company! Activate the simpmobile!"

Oh no, somebody who doesn't know WTF they're talking about is trying to insult me on the internet....

So you're one of those people who want everything for free? And the eeevil toy company won't pander to you? Well, as Aduro T put it a few posts back, GW not offering the PDFs won't stop them from having a copy - it'll just prevent them from giving GW $. So put on your eye patch and join Aduro.

On Gws 40k app:
*I don't think it's worth a dime, let alone a monthly fee. It does nothing for me that the book I bought + a pen/paper can't do.
So I don't subscribe. I don't consider it a product aimed at me.
*I don't expect the coming AoS app to be any different, so guess what? I won't subscribe to that one either.

**AduroT**

It’s a dang shame because I had been buying all the ePubs for my armies. Core Books, Codexes, Sub-Codex, Battletomes, yearly Chapter Approved and General’s Handbooks. I’ve probably gotten close to that 30 book number on my iPad over the years just off GW digital products.

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I subscribe to both apps too! Though granted I’ve had a free subscription to the 40k app since like October because of a glitch in their system I haven’t bothered to rectify… Unless they somehow make the new AoS app a bigger trash fire than the 40k one was on release I’ll probably end up with a Warham+ subscription though, and that’ll probably fix the glitch.

**Cronch**

So you're one of those people who want everything for free?

You have to be a very special person to not want things for free in the first place? Is this supposed to be wrong to want things for free?
Anyway, boo hiss at the stupid decision and moving things into app if you want digital.

**tneva82**

Elmir wrote:
They are moving to the gakky 40k model of having to subscribe to an app if you want any form of digital version of the books you already own.

If you are enough of a corporate meatshield to think that's a good thing, check out the feedback section on google play for the 40k app.

Well. Old app will remain usable for books you already own and new books you buy don't need sub

**Gert**

Regarding the apps, if you're interested in Warhammer + then you get the 40k and upcoming AoS ones included in that price, which is a waaaaay better option IMO.
Of course Warhammer + won't be for everyone and that's cool.
Also, out of curiosity, considering the core rules for AoS are free, why are people carrying around loads of books? At most all I've needed for pick-up games is my army book and at a push the BRB.

**Ghaz**

Gert wrote:
Regarding the apps, if you're interested in Warhammer + then you get the 40k and upcoming AoS ones included in that price, which is a waaaaay better option IMO.
Of course Warhammer + won't be for everyone and that's cool.
Also, out of curiosity, considering the core rules for AoS are free, why are people carrying around loads of books? At most all I've needed for pick-up games is my army book and at a push the BRB.

Those core rules are also found in the General's Handbook.

**AduroT**

Ghaz wrote:
Gert wrote:
Regarding the apps, if you're interested in Warhammer + then you get the 40k and upcoming AoS ones included in that price, which is a waaaaay better option IMO.
Of course Warhammer + won't be for everyone and that's cool.
Also, out of curiosity, considering the core rules for AoS are free, why are people carrying around loads of books? At most all I've needed for pick-up games is my army book and at a push the BRB.

Those core rules are also found in the General's Handbook.

Good news! The Core Rules are free!

…but you have to buy them if you want the Path to Glory rules. Also you have to buy them again again to drive up the cost of the General’s Handbook.

**Ghaz**

AduroT wrote:
Good news! The Core Rules are free!

But the updated Pitched Battle profiles and other Matched Play rules and updates are not. So if you're playing Matched Play exclusively you'll need the General's Handbook regardless and the core rules in that book are just the icing on the cake meaning that you won't need the Core Book to play.

**kodos**

Ghaz wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Good news! The Core Rules are free!

But the updated Pitched Battle profiles and other Matched Play rules and updates are not. So if you're playing Matched Play exclusively you'll need the General's Handbook regardless and the core rules in that book are just the icing on the cake meaning that you won't need the Core Book to play.

as long as you don't plan on using allied forces, for those you still need the Corebook

**AduroT**

Ghaz wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Good news! The Core Rules are free!

But the updated Pitched Battle profiles and other Matched Play rules and updates are not. So if you're playing Matched Play exclusively you'll need the General's Handbook regardless and the core rules in that book are just the icing on the cake meaning that you won't need the Core Book to play.

Right, but it’s not like they stuck a free 40+ pages in the book. You’re paying for those Core Rules when you buy a General’s Handbook.

**tneva82**

AduroT wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Good news! The Core Rules are free!

But the updated Pitched Battle profiles and other Matched Play rules and updates are not. So if you're playing Matched Play exclusively you'll need the General's Handbook regardless and the core rules in that book are just the icing on the cake meaning that you won't need the Core Book to play.

Right, but it’s not like they stuck a free 40+ pages in the book. You’re paying for those Core Rules when you buy a General’s Handbook.

So about dollar or two,

Wopedoo.

For convenience printed form is handy to have during game anyway.

**Thadin**

While I do also prefer printed form... It's exceptionally easy to play the game without paying a dime for the rules.

Core rules are free. Unit Warscrolls are freely available from GW itself. Updated Points can be found on Battlescribe, or Warhammer Community Warscroll builder. Army rules can be found on Battlescribe, or other websites. You don't even need to go digging around on pirate websites, you can just find all the rules on assorted wikis/basket weaving forum sites.

The hardest thing to find is the different missions, in my experience.

While list submission has been done with Warscroll builder + BCP app, I bring battlescribe printed lists to my tournament games and nobody has batted an eye.

**AduroT**

Free Warscrolls and Community Builder for now at least. How long will that stick around when Warham+ launches?

**Gert**

Considering that the 40k app launched and you can still use the 40k one, I doubt they're going away. GW is trying to up its brownie points and combat things like Battlescribe by giving players free options to build their lists.

**kodos**

yet the 40k one does not have points as those are exclusive to the App

there is no free alternative to Battlescribe for 40k

**Gert**

You say that like playing with points is the only way to play 40k. Yeah, the 40k Combat Roster uses Power Rating but for quick and easy pick up games I've found it much better to use it. It's also not a buggy mess that has to be updated every time I use it.
The AoS version only has points and includes options for subfaction/realm/allies/artefacts choices all of which will be shown on the roster. Honestly it's a better option than Battlescribe for AoS.

**kodos**

thats why we think it will go away
no one is going to pay for a list building App when the free combat rooster is the better option

**tneva82**

People paid for app already...

And it's not like army builder is only feature of warhammer+. Indeed　least of it

If people paid for army builder and nothing else now why not army builder for 2 games, bonus model, white dwarf article, videos and animations?

**kodos**

why should you pay more if you don't need it?

you pay more for an army builder for a game you don't play, animations for the game you don't play, an advertising brochure, and videos you get on youtube

not really an argument why the new version is better than the old one