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stonehorse wrote:One other aspect that I think puts GW off making Epic again is porting over 40k now would be a herculean effort. In the time from Epic Armageddon to now 40k has expanded at a breakneck speed. Not just with the number of factions, but with the sheer glut of entries those factions contain.

Sad to say, but I think AT, and IA are GW's last venture into scales smaller then 28mm.

I definitely agree that they are unlikely to re-launch an entire line of miniatures replicating current 40k - this didn't happen back with Armageddon (4th edition) and I think is even less likely now.
But I think a contained scope of HH-era troops and vehicles (as Malika has listed) - something that could be fitted on 1 or 2 sprues - is definitely a possibility.

Get a couple of the rules guys updating Epic 3rd or 4th edition rules (wouldn't even need to write new rules, so that expenditure is immediately removed), some new artwork in a pretty rule book, throw it in a boxset "The Horus Heresy" and charge £80-100 for the box - that thing would sell like hot cakes, and you could probably do the whole range initially for <10 SKUs.

Sherrypie wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Epic rerelease rumours are basically what I'm living for ATM. I feel like an updated version of epic, with current plastic kit making technology being what it is, would be glorious.

Epic release will never happen. They had the chance to do it when GW launched Titanicus but decided to give the community the good ol´ middle finger instead.

It’s not that totally beyond possible that troops couldnt be added to titanicus as an expansion at some point. It would make sense to me to let the game grow

Nah, Titanicus would not benefit from them as a game. Its crunchy core is about titans and their resource management, even knights start to push focus away from that and it leads to bad game design. It is absolutely better to have AT stay as the skirmish game of walking nuclear battleship rock stars of war while a combined arms Epic 6ish ed. (counting Apoc as 5th) might come along later, being properly designed for more varied forces using the same miniatures.

And then we have actually come around full circle - if you think that the original Adeptus Titanicus rules were not really suitable for infantry and vehicles interacting, and so Epic (Space Marine) was born!

Would epic work as a specialist game? It seems like it needs more comprehensive support than that to be done any real justice.

It can start with just Space Marine versus Space Marine battles, it was why the game Space Marine and the whole Horus Heresy was invented for.

Squats Vs Chaos Vs Tyranids in desperate battle?

If you know that tagline suffix, then you know what game I'm talking about.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Would epic work as a specialist game? It seems like it needs more comprehensive support than that to be done any real justice.

No, it wouldn´t.

GW of today is all about greed and obnoxious pricing. No hobbyist worth his salt will pay "premium" prices for tiny tanks and soldiers. The notion of any sort of value is simply not present to justify such obscene price tags. When Epic Armageddon launched people refused to spend money. And now think about the environment of today. Good luck with your whale hunting!

And don´t forget the Age of Corona. Who in his right mind will start a new tabletop game, if he will only be able to build terrain, build minis and play single-player missions? A tiny minority! It´s going to be a disaster on the level of a Dreadfleet meltdown.

I would take any release that isn't BFG as a deep and personal insult.

Is GW still doing the 'Old Wine in New Bottles' type games like the 2 airplane game, or the 2 knights game or the one with the scouts and genestealers?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is GW still doing the 'Old Wine in New Bottles' type games like the 2 airplane game, or the 2 knights game or the one with the scouts and genestealers?

It's been a while. The discount boxes still come but looks like GW stopped wasting time on gakky new games to throw in and just throws in gakky AoS/40k mini campaigns now.

Hey a lot of those games were genuinely fun

Agreed. Stormcloud Attack was very good fun!

I think epic is a no-go, sadly- if they'd wanted to, the most recent Apocalypse would've been a perfect time to do it (and it's still a great game system, especially for big, multiplayer battles)


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The_Real_Chris wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

Warmaster is a criminally under rated game, that I think sold poorly due to it being all metal, there wasn't a single plastic kit available for the game. Epic on the other hand had a lot if plastic kits.

I think this may explain the difference in sales.

Just the setting.

In terms of rules it is undoubtedly GWs greatest wargames rules set.

It has been ported to
Warmaster Ancients
Battle of Five Armies
Warmaster Medieval
Blitzkrieg Commander (WW2)
Cold War Commander (moderns)
Future War Commander (Sci-Fi)

Not to mention forming the core rules used in Warlord's games
Hail Caesar
Black Powder
Pike and Shotte

The secret to a good specialist game from a business perspective is one that sucks the player into using the specialist game as a springboard for a core game army.

I.E. Gorkamorka became the core of my 40K speed freaks. It sounds like Kill Team is the model for this now. Smart!

Personally, I'd love to see a wacky racing game. Just something crazy and fun which could also serve this purpose as well since it could inspire people to collect new vehicle centered armies.

I miss the active encouragement of kitbashing. Necromunda had it a bit, but not on the level of let’s say Gorkamorka. Titanicus and Aeronautica don’t really do it either, the last Warmaster Titan variant is proof of that. But it would allow people to cannibalise various kits and then “grow” into those games as well