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It's not just about personal inspiration - its also about respecting the time, skill and work people have put into their creations.

AI is not creative, yes you can "spend hours generating" but that's nothing like the actual skill of making something. Warhammer and most wargaming and hobby is all about our hands, our skill.

No matter the quality of what's created, its about enjoying the hobby as people. AI takes that away from actual people doing actual things.
We could flood Dakka in a day with inspirational creative work generated by AI. But none of it would be real. It won't be the actual hobby people have engaged with, in fact it could just be one single person sitting there generating stuff for a day.
You can't ask them how they painted a thing; or converted it. You can't share photos of the creative experience along the way; they can't take their creation to a club or game night.



Ultimately AI goes against human creativity, which isn't just about a thing being made; its about the journey to making the thing in the first place. About the time invested into learning a skill; developing a skill and using that skill.

Charax wrote:
If you're trying to draw an equivalence between posting correctly-tagged AI with posting gore then this is not a serious conversation any more.

There's also a deep irony on the same side of the discussion deploying both the "but just spend hours/days/weeks learning to draw rather than use AI" and "but you want me to look at tags? With my fragile human eyes? That's too much effort!" arguments.

I don't especially care if a cool image I see is AI or not, if I'm inspired by it then I'll be inspired regardless, it's as irrelevant to me as the name of the artist's grandmother, the output is what's relevant to me, not how it came to be. But for those that do care an easily visible tag is a decent compromise and one I support

Draw an equivalence? don't strawman too hard or you might hurt your self.
Banning X won’t eliminate X everywhere, but allowing X will make the space worse. It is only equivalent in policy reasoning, NOT in moral weight or content. It’s called an analogy.

I was using an example to challenge your logic. The logic of the futility of hiding images because it is still happening does not work in any case, with any example, correctly-tagged AI or gore or anything else. It is obviously conditional, and in some cases hiding images regardless if its happening or not is a good thing. Ours is such case.

Who deployed what?
I was not talking about learning for years to draw, and I did not even motioned tags.

I'll ask again
Like for example, do you think this is ai generated or not?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tb9FabY1n84



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 Overread wrote:
It's not just about personal inspiration - its also about respecting the time, skill and work people have put into their creations.

AI is not creative, yes you can "spend hours generating" but that's nothing like the actual skill of making something. Warhammer and most wargaming and hobby is all about our hands, our skill.

No matter the quality of what's created, its about enjoying the hobby as people. AI takes that away from actual people doing actual things.
We could flood Dakka in a day with inspirational creative work generated by AI. But none of it would be real. It won't be the actual hobby people have engaged with, in fact it could just be one single person sitting there generating stuff for a day.
You can't ask them how they painted a thing; or converted it. You can't share photos of the creative experience along the way; they can't take their creation to a club or game night.



Ultimately AI goes against human creativity, which isn't just about a thing being made; its about the journey to making the thing in the first place. About the time invested into learning a skill; developing a skill and using that skill.

My purpose here on dakka, and i believe the purpose of the hobby forums/servers, is to encourage and inspire people to create. That is only reason I engage with people's content.
Otherwise there is no reason for me to engage with the content. Only persons are worth the time investment.

If a hobby forums will be just like other gallery platforms with "cool" images, then will just go back to grinding Deeprock to 100% and not waste time. I get way more dopamine in minutes from a game, than from spending days on a miniature or cool images.

Charax wrote:

I don't especially care if a cool image I see is AI or not, if I'm inspired by it then I'll be inspired regardless, it's as irrelevant to me as the name of the artist's grandmother, the output is what's relevant to me, not how it came to be. But for those that do care an easily visible tag is a decent compromise and one I support

Also, since you have great value in the output. There is the best tool for you. https://ai-minipainter.com/
You can use that and "inspire" hobbyists everywhere with cool endless images. and nobody will be able to even know it is AI made, painted, or enhanced. You can win painting challenges everywhere.

 Mothsniper wrote:
You can win painting challenges everywhere.

If I need to put a captcha on the painting comp here, or start running Voight-Kampff tests on the entrants I’ll be quite cross.

Do you want SkyNet? This is how we get SkyNet...

Although it raises the point on how much post-production is allowed on entry photos. Stuff like white balance is fine. That’s just to get the picture to better show what things look like in reality, restore true colors. But with AI? “Computer: sharpen my edge highlights and get both the eyes looking in the same direction”

I should clarify the rules for the next year.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Mothsniper wrote:
You can win painting challenges everywhere.

If I need to put a captcha on the painting comp here, or start running Voight-Kampff tests on the entrants I’ll be quite cross.

Do you want SkyNet? This is how we get SkyNet...

Although it raises the point on how much post-production is allowed on entry photos. Stuff like white balance is fine. That’s just to get the picture to better show what things look like in reality, restore true colors. But with AI? “Computer: sharpen my edge highlights and get both the eyes looking in the same direction”

I should clarify the rules for the next year.

When submitting the images into the dakka gallery there is a tool that does quick correction and contrast boost for us. Id say a substantial post processing is already allowed. I like to keep my images consistent with the mini (I do have a good photo camera) but do not mind if I see a boosted image with cleaned up background and bumped saturation and contrast. As long as the image is real "Presentation" boosting I am ok with.
Best example of that is when youtubers, like (Bill Making Stuff), use colorful lighting for the final presentation, it is not an accurate representation on the mini but is a more attractive one for sure. I think that is fine. Because there is no way to tell if someone used ai or software to correct or boost the image, Id say do not worry about it.

Right, and there are many ways people could already cheat at these painting comps. It’s not worth trying to anticipate all of them and specifically rule them out. If they’re willing to cheat for internet points, they probably wouldn’t follow the rules anyway.