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 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 SmurfInABlender wrote:
Why the mess is one in FA and the other in HS when they are the same basic ship? Blah, I need all my Fast Attack for my army of thunderwolves. Guess I'll have to go 2x3 rather than the more successful 3x2 I normally run inorder to fit the Stormwolf in.

Click the link and read.

My question: Can Cavalry embark transports? The 16 variant with a couple TWC in it would be hilarious.

This is a SW transport, of course they can

I think that the rulebook says they can't, but if there's an exception or loophole in there somewhere, I'm going to abuse the feth out of it.

No, looks like the Stormfang/wolf has to go into hover mode for disembarking, but can assault off the disembark so it's not all bad . . . just take out the AT weapons when you have the chance first.

Anyone else think TWC need a points drop by like 5 pts, maybe even 10?

Jefffar wrote:
No, looks like the Stormfang/wolf has to go into hover mode for disembarking, but can assault off the disembark so it's not all bad . . . just take out the AT weapons when you have the chance first.

Worth mentioning, the current leaks only have the Stormwolf as an assault vehicle. The Stormfang is a heavily armed flying razorback, awh yeah.

 Bull0 wrote:
Uglier's subjective, I rather like the transport variant at least - tone down the symbology a bit and they've got a deal!

I'm not sure how it being cheaper is a bad thing... If you prefer the Caestus and you can afford it, the existence of this kit isn't going to stop you buying one...

Will it be cheaper? Anyone know what it will cost? Maybe if it is cheap you can buy two and make a Caestus out of it

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Will it be cheaper? Anyone know what it will cost? Maybe if it is cheap you can buy two and make a Caestus out of it

Two Stormravens are the same price as a Caestus.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Remulus wrote:
I'm just happy they aren't calling it a "Skywolf" ore something.

Stormwolf is that much better?

*Stormclaw

 Remulus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Remulus wrote:
I'm just happy they aren't calling it a "Skywolf" ore something.

Stormwolf is that much better?

*Stormclaw

Stormclaw is the campaign box. Stormwolf is the transport version of the new flier.

Escorted by a pair of Stormfangs, the three Stormwolfs carrying Strike Force Stormclaw and Njal Stormcaller descended upon the renegades' Storm Ravens and Storm Eagles.

I really like it.

Each to their own though.

 mattyrm wrote:
How much is this fether going to cost then, any word on that?

I think their prices have gone nuts lately me. I have loved some of the new orks, especially Badrukks Flash Gitz, but they work out at like, 9 dollars a model or something, its just a bit fething absurd now.

I reckon I could be tempted if it is sub 80 bucks, but more than that and they can wedge it, Ill just spray a brick grey and glue some wings on the sides.

I've already got the bricks and spray paint ready. Totally gonna field these...not gonna pay 80$ for the 2-3 that will inevitably hit the table.

is it bad that I want to add more bits to make it different?

If we could get the transport version as a dedicated transport/objective secure, that would be nice

Just funny how the WD claim these flyers are a rare thing, most likely most SW lists and perhaps some new allies will have it.

 Yonan wrote:
The more GW destroys the lore of 40k, the easier I find it to slip through their grasp tbh.

 Peregrine wrote:
The point is that it's a unit that shouldn't exist fluff-wise, but GW cares more about short-term sales than maintaining consistent fluff.

I'm sorry, what about this vehicle breaks with the fluff?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
The more GW destroys the lore of 40k, the easier I find it to slip through their grasp tbh.

 Peregrine wrote:
The point is that it's a unit that shouldn't exist fluff-wise, but GW cares more about short-term sales than maintaining consistent fluff.

I'm sorry, what about this vehicle breaks with the fluff?

"feet on the ground" to put it simply. Old editions had this and everyone instantly thought it meant no flying machines ever

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
"feet on the ground" to put it simply. Old editions had this and everyone instantly thought it meant no flying machines ever

Which is, of course, total nonsense. They have Thunderhawks, Land Speeders and Drop Pods. They fly around in space where there is no ground.

Feet on the ground only refers to literally fighting in the air (jump packs). Find me a fluff reference otherwise.

 pretre wrote:
Feet on the ground only refers to fighting in the air (jump packs). Find me a fluff reference otherwise.

100% correct.

Woohoo, mine arrived today and they've already base coated it for me as well!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sorry, what about this vehicle breaks with the fluff?

The fact that it exists at all. SW already have the Caestus assault ram, a flyer that does the exact same things the new one does. There would be absolutely no plausible reason fluff-wise to make an entirely new flyer for that same role, so it's blatantly a case of "we need a new plastic flyer kit, find a way to justify one". Except this time they didn't even bother coming up with a new design, they just cut the existing flyer in half and glued some wolf symbols on it.

 pretre wrote:
Feet on the ground only refers to literally fighting in the air (jump packs). Find me a fluff reference otherwise.

No actually I believe it only ever refers to teleportation. It's in the rules for Terminator armour, explaining why the SW will only drop pod in instead of using teleporters, it's the last paragraph on page 61 of the 5th ed codex, can't remember if it's mentioned anywhere in the 3rd edition one, I don't recall ever seeing it in the 2nd edition codex. But SW have always been quite happy to use jump packs. You can, after all, give Jump Packs to all of the Wolf Lords, Rune Priests, Wolf Priests and Wolf Guard in your army.

But either way, that's not what I read when I read Peregrine's comment anyway, it seemed to be that he was saying it shouldn't exist because the SW already have an Assault Ram vehicle.

 Peregrine wrote:
The fact that it exists at all. SW already have the Caestus assault ram, a flyer that does the exact same things the new one does. There would be absolutely no plausible reason fluff-wise to make an entirely new flyer for that same role

1. Cool, you've read the new fluff for the kit. Post it please

2. Oh, you haven't? So you're just tremendously unimaginative and forcing that on the rest of us? You think the future is a place where no two vehicles have the same purpose? The diverse, far future, based on thousands of years of lost and rediscovered technology, etc? Besides, they aren't even the same - this thing's half the size. You're upset that the US Marines have PT boats because they also have Destroyers, they're both boats with guns that carry people, there's absolutely no plausible reason to have both.

 Peregrine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sorry, what about this vehicle breaks with the fluff?

The fact that it exists at all. SW already have the Caestus assault ram, a flyer that does the exact same things the new one does. There would be absolutely no plausible reason fluff-wise to make an entirely new flyer for that same role, so it's blatantly a case of "we need a new plastic flyer kit, find a way to justify one". Except this time they didn't even bother coming up with a new design, they just cut the existing flyer in half and glued some wolf symbols on it.

Well in recent years GW doesn't really care about the fluff anymore, remember these things? Centurions

 pretre wrote:
Feet on the ground only refers to literally fighting in the air (jump packs). Find me a fluff reference otherwise.

That's dumb though, because jump-packs don't allow you to "fight in the air" anymore than a Thunderhawk or a drop-pod does. A jump-pack is a form of transportation that allows you to travel quickly from spot to spot via hopping. It's not a jet-pack.

Maybe at the end of the day Space Wolves fluff is just stupid and nonsensical.

 Peregrine wrote:
Which is why I don't like this new flyer. It's just an uglier version of the Caestus, with a cheaper plastic kit. The only reason for it to exist is to sell more stuff.

Erm, the reason for every GW product ever made is to sell stuff........

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Feet on the ground only refers to literally fighting in the air (jump packs). Find me a fluff reference otherwise.

That's dumb though, because jump-packs don't allow you to "fight in the air" anymore than a Thunderhawk or a drop-pod does. A jump-pack is a form of transportation that allows you to travel quickly from spot to spot via hopping. It's not a jet-pack.

Maybe at the end of the day Space Wolves fluff is just stupid and nonsensical.

It was 1 sentence in the codex that was used in a bad context and for some reasons players have grasped on to this 1 sentence as being some amazing revelation that Space Wolves don't like to be in the air when it actually doesn't refer to that at all.

It's as much the stupid players' fault as it is GW's stupid fluff writing fault.

 Peregrine wrote:
The fact that it exists at all.

Well this ought to be good...

 Peregrine wrote:
SW already have the Caestus assault ram, a flyer that does the exact same things the new one does.

Does it? The Cestus is a craft that acts as a battering ram - it has a massive melta cannon thingy on the front and its designed to punch into hard targets. The Stormwhatever (the gunship one) doesn't do that and the Stormwolf (the transport one), seems to be more of a ground-based assault craft. Separating the new miniature kit aspect of it, this doesn't go against the fluff of 40K or the Space Wolves at all. If anything it goes with it far more than the Chibi-Hawk or the Space Guppy because it at least looks like it came from the same family of STC's. I completely reject that these two craft and the Caestus have the same role, in the same way that the Chibi-Hawk doesn't invalidate the Thunderhawk, or the other way around.

 Peregrine wrote:
There would be absolutely no plausible reason fluff-wise to make an entirely new flyer for that same role...

I disagree that it has the same role, so I reject your entire premise of critique.

 Peregrine wrote:
...so it's blatantly a case of "we need a new plastic flyer kit, find a way to justify one". Except this time they didn't even bother coming up with a new design, they just cut the existing flyer in half and glued some wolf symbols on it.

I do agree with you that it's just another kit for the sake of having a big release for the Wolves. Much like with the Grey Knights and Blood Angels (and Dark Angels), GW have painted themselves into a corner when it comes to the Wolves. They released a catch-all Grey Hunter/Wolf Guard/Blood Claw kit and a Wolf Guard Terminator kit, plus all the specialist kits, meaning the Space Wolves don't have anything else they need in plastic outside of Wolf Scouts, and even the Space Wolf kit takes care of them somewhat with a few heads and guns. For that reason they need to invent new things to be worth re-releasing them (which makes me wonder what the Blood Angels are going to get, as they're pressed even further into the corner than the Wolves).

So the Wolves get a flyer, which we kinda knew would happen (plus they'll probably get a big wolf/robot thing, and we might even see a Dire Avengering of their 10-man Space Wolf box), but as cynical as it is they made something new that fits with 40K. They didn't make something out of left field (like Marines riding Wolves or Marines in Power Armour inside another type of armour). They made something that aesthetically exists with an existing Marine unit, meaning that it fits more with 40K than any other Marine flyer since the Caestus and the Thunderhawk.

I don't see the issue.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Feet on the ground only refers to literally fighting in the air (jump packs). Find me a fluff reference otherwise.

That's dumb though, because jump-packs don't allow you to "fight in the air" anymore than a Thunderhawk or a drop-pod does. A jump-pack is a form of transportation that allows you to travel quickly from spot to spot via hopping. It's not a jet-pack.

Maybe at the end of the day Space Wolves fluff is just stupid and nonsensical.

It was 1 sentence in the codex that was used in a bad context and for some reasons players have grasped on to this 1 sentence as being some amazing revelation that Space Wolves don't like to be in the air when it actually doesn't refer to that at all.

It's as much the stupid players' fault as it is GW's stupid fluff writing fault.

That's probably true.

I've never been under the impression that the Wolves have a issue with any specific kind of warfare or combat role. Seems silly to me.

EDIT- Regarding "new" things for the Wolves, I'd be pretty okay with them getting a new Monstrous Creature. Like, some Fenris native beastie that they capture and domesticate for warfare. That'd be pretty dope.

Just teleportation. That's been something they never liked.

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
The more GW destroys the lore of 40k, the easier I find it to slip through their grasp tbh.

 Peregrine wrote:
The point is that it's a unit that shouldn't exist fluff-wise, but GW cares more about short-term sales than maintaining consistent fluff.

I'm sorry, what about this vehicle breaks with the fluff?

"feet on the ground" to put it simply. Old editions had this and everyone instantly thought it meant no flying machines ever

Well, that says more about "everyone" and their assumptions that it does about the fluff.

I don't get this weird binary thinking that 40k gamers display from time to time. I don't particularly like carrots, but I do eat them sometimes without it being a 'violent rape of Bomster fluff'. Because they're good for me, you know.