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Graham McNeill wrote about how horus saved good of empy on Gorro.

Is there any background info on how the empy saved horus?

He used Mind bullets

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
He used Mind bullets

Wow thanks a lot

From what I remember a big ass ork, like really really big named The Beast was choking the Emp out like a bitch and Horus killed the Ork and saved the Emp. Think he mashed the Orks skull in or something.

But it's really all irrelevant now because the Emp is now a perpetual so Horus just saved him from respawing.

2x210 wrote:
From what I remember a big ass ork, like really really big named The Beast was choking the Emp out like a bitch and Horus killed the Ork and saved the Emp. Think he mashed the Orks skull in or something.

But it's really all irrelevant now because the Emp is now a perpetual so Horus just saved him from respawing.

The emp saved horus first which led to them becoming close lol

Is there no fluff on this event?

http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ia/w40k_ia_bl.html

The two fought together on many occasions. At the fortified city of Reillis, a Human settlement unwilling to accept the Emperor's beneficent will, the defending army used secret tunnels to infiltrate behind the besieging Imperial army and hundreds of shock troops swamped the command encampment. Unprepared and unarmoured, the Emperor and Horus fought back to back until a plasma blast stunned Horus and sent him staggering to the floor. The Emperor stood over the Primarch and refused to give ground until reinforcements arrived to drive their attackers back.

Strange that the emperor, whose psychic abilities are well beyond even Magnus, couldn't just mind rape the settlement…

Such inconsistency in the GW fluff! Guess that happens when you have dozens of authors writing fluff of various types.

 PhillyT wrote:
Strange that the emperor, whose psychic abilities are well beyond even Magnus, couldn't just mind rape the settlement…

Such inconsistency in the GW fluff! Guess that happens when you have dozens of authors writing fluff of various types.

Because he can't.

Find one instance of him doing anything on that scale with mind powers.

Spoilers: he never did.

The Emperor's psychic potency is aggravatingly over-estimated by fanboys.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Strange that the emperor, whose psychic abilities are well beyond even Magnus, couldn't just mind rape the settlement…

Such inconsistency in the GW fluff! Guess that happens when you have dozens of authors writing fluff of various types.

Because he can't.

Find one instance of him doing anything on that scale with mind powers.

Spoilers: he never did.

The Emperor's psychic potency is aggravatingly over-estimated by fanboys.

Wasn't it in First Heretic when The Emperor is chastising Lorgar? The Emperor commands the Wrod Bearers legion to kneel, and they are unable to resist kneeling as If their bodies aren't under their own control? Then he shouts Lorgars name and the entire legion of some 100k+ marines physically skid backwards away from him?

 Marius Xerxes wrote:

Wasn't it in First Heretic when The Emperor is chastising Lorgar? The Emperor commands the Wrod Bearers legion to kneel, and they are unable to resist kneeling as If their bodies aren't under their own control?

This almost happened. He ordered Lorgar to kneel, not the Word Bearers. The Word Bearers are just psychically linked in obedience to Lorgar.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:
Then he shouts Lorgars name and the entire legion of some 100k+ marines physically skid backwards away from him?

This did not happen.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Marius Xerxes wrote:

Wasn't it in First Heretic when The Emperor is chastising Lorgar? The Emperor commands the Wrod Bearers legion to kneel, and they are unable to resist kneeling as If their bodies aren't under their own control?

This almost happened. He ordered Lorgar to kneel, not the Word Bearers. The Word Bearers are just psychically linked in obedience to Lorgar.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:
Then he shouts Lorgars name and the entire legion of some 100k+ marines physically skid backwards away from him?

This did not happen.

Must have read a different book then. Them all skidding backwards was a defining moment in the book for me. I'll have to look it up in the morning and get back to this.

EDIT TO ADD: Ok so I was able to get away for a few to my book. Pg 57 of the Paperback (the start of Chapter 4) the Emperor whispers Kneel to the legion as a whole, which they cannot physically resist and do so. Save for Lorgar, who does not kneel. The Emperor instructs him to kneel again, and finally he does.

pg 60 then has the Emperor shout Lorgar and it hits with such force its threw a undisclosed number of WB's skidding across the ground. As the pages go on, it continues to describe seemingly the legion as a whole on the ground shivering or suffering from muscle spasms they cant control as the Emperor gives his decree of their failure.

Ok, seriously? This event was the subject of a Novella, The Wolf of Ash and Fire.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-wolf-of-ash-and-fire.html

THere you go. £1.50 for the whole story.

2x210 wrote:
From what I remember a big ass ork, like really really big named The Beast was choking the Emp out like a bitch and Horus killed the Ork and saved the Emp. Think he mashed the Orks skull in or something.

But it's really all irrelevant now because the Emp is now a perpetual so Horus just saved him from respawing.

As linked above, it's documented in The Wolf of Ash and Fire. Not a bad read.

As for the Perpetual comment well... we don't know what sort of Perpetual the Emprah is. The concept is still being fleshed out, with information in Vulkan Lives and The Unremembered Empire (there's also a little bit in Legion and Mark of Calth).

Some of the things that are glossed over on the internet are that i) there are different kinds of Perpetual and the regeneration takes different forms, and ii) that it is not a permanent state; it can be created, given, taken away and nullified depending on the circumstance.

We don't really know if the Emperor's 'Perpetual' status is the same as Vulkan's, of it if is simply "I will never age and die".

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ok, seriously? This event was the subject of a Novella, The Wolf of Ash and Fire.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-wolf-of-ash-and-fire.html

THere you go. £1.50 for the whole story.

Are you referring to 2x210's post?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
He used Mind bullets

That's telekinesis Kyle!

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
He used Mind bullets

That's telekinesis Kyle!

Have an exalt!

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Strange that the emperor, whose psychic abilities are well beyond even Magnus, couldn't just mind rape the settlement…

Such inconsistency in the GW fluff! Guess that happens when you have dozens of authors writing fluff of various types.

Because he can't.

Find one instance of him doing anything on that scale with mind powers.

Spoilers: he never did.

The Emperor's psychic potency is aggravatingly over-estimated by fanboys.

The Emperor is the cause of all psykers in humanity, much more powerful than Lorgar (who himself held an entire world under his sway didn't he?) and even more powerful than Magnus, who more than a few times dominated powerful psykers and countless individuals simultaneously.

Plus the story of forcing the word bearers to kneel, I think you are diminishing the power of the emperor.

Oh and then there is the whole countering the combined might of the chaos gods thing.

How is the Emperor the cause of all psykers...

Might be old fluff, but human psykers are a mutation introduced by the Emperor breeding throughout the 38,000 years he was walking around. It has been a long time since they covered the whole shaman thing or anything else so it is tough to know exactly what is still canon.

The Emperor isn't the root of all human psykers. That would be... self-recursive.

The Old Ones seeded psychic power in the human race when they seeded the species. The Emperor is the culmination of all human psychic potential up to and including year zero, at which point he incarnated and became the all-saviour.

I don't mean psykers draw from him for their power like some god. The old fluff had it that the current psykers, after his creation, are a result of his off spring through the thousands of generations that followed.

I wasn't implying that it was a god/cleric type relationship.

The oldest, oldest fluff doesn't have the Emperor's children as psykers, it has them as jedis. Well, sensei, but still, they "manipulated pure (untainted by emotion) warp energy to enhance their bodies."

Even the really old fluff like The Lost and The Damned depicts humanity as having psykers. IIRC it doesn't actually use the word "psyker", but its pretty obvious by reading it that they were psykers.

 PhillyT wrote:

Oh and then there is the whole countering the combined might of the chaos gods thing.

I'm not so sure how much stock I put in that. The galaxy seemed to be fine before the Emperor turned up...

Xyptc wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

Oh and then there is the whole countering the combined might of the chaos gods thing.

I'm not so sure how much stock I put in that. The galaxy seemed to be fine before the Emperor turned up...

No it didn't, it's only thanks to the Emperor that an extremely powerful C'tan, the Void Dragon, was locked up on Mars IIRC.

I can't recall where I read it, but one line of fluff implied that the psykers who existed, the shaman, committed mass suicide, resulting in the rebirth within a single being, the Emperor. Future psykers were the result of his children.

But I don't read Black Library stuff so maybe that is an overly simplified approach. Or I am just misremembering!

 PhillyT wrote:
I can't recall where I read it, but one line of fluff implied that the psykers who existed, the shaman, committed mass suicide, resulting in the rebirth within a single being, the Emperor. Future psykers were the result of his children.

But I don't read Black Library stuff so maybe that is an overly simplified approach. Or I am just misremembering!

Close, it mentions that only the strongest of them were known as shamans. So while all the powerful ones did commit suicide to create the Emperor, there were psykers left over among the population, albeit weaker and perhaps latent ones.

From what I remember a big ass ork, like really really big named The Beast was choking the Emp out like a bitch

Not sure it was the Beast that was fighting them.

From the 6th ed rulebook

The Warboss known only as the Beast nearly took over the galaxy, and it can only be a matter of time before another apocalyptic greenskin rising takes place.

Considering the wealth of fluff we have on the HH era, there is no other mention of this guy or the Waaaagh that he led. If he was that close to taking over the Galaxy (not a few sectors or even a Segmentum) you would have thought he'd have been specifically mentioned a lot more in the HH fluff.
Hell, if he was that close, the campaign against him would have eclipsed literally anything that has gone before, rivalled only perhaps by the Crons/Old ones battles.

Horus was named warmaster after the space marine legions took down the largest Waaaaahhhhhgg! ever. Pretty sure this is the one they are talking about.