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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 10:58:03
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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From the most up to date fluff about the Chaos Gods, it is stated that they do not want to wipe humanity out but rather leech power off them for as long as they can.
With this in mind, why do the chaos powers not do more to cultivate humanity as a livestock of sorts?
Sure they get what they need now, but if they were more ambitious then they could get so much more.
Whilst it is well known that chaos subverts imperial colonies to chaos, has it ever been stated that they do colonisation of their own?
Slaanesh would benefit from breeding, khorne could set up eternal wars in his name and nurgle would have an easy supply of bodies. The only God I can not think to gain from this would be Tzeentch, as it establishes routine and tradition, rather than change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:09:39
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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That sounds like some very ordered, and precise planning is needed there, something that would take a while to come into fruition.
Which is the exact opposite of Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:13:16
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Fixture of Dakka
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The problem I see here is you're applying rational thoughts to irrational beings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:27:43
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Yeah, like, the answer to your question is in their names man.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 12:09:51
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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They are called Chaos gods but that doesn't mean they lock any kind of order or ambition.
They were called the Chaos gods by humans, who could not possibly see or understand the Gods, hence all they saw was chaos.
Tzeentch is perhaps the most competent entity at planning and scheming in all of existence. Creating their own human power battery worlds seems like it would be completely within their means and would further their own ends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:05:14
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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There are worlds within the Eye which are stocked with humans/aliens/daemons which the gods (and/or their champions) do with as they please.
"Eye of Terror" is a good book for this as it shows off a few Chaos worlds and the "people" living on them and what they are used for by the gods.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:07:01
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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I don't think the gods would aim at being constructive themselves, but their followers would. A greater Daemon or Daemon Prince of any power would probably be quite eager to curry favor by creating new devotees.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 16:30:23
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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The forces of chaos are very constructive. They have whole civilizations, societies, cultures, languages etc unto their own that have existed since before the Crusade.
Even post Heresy, there are flourishing societies that worship the ruinous powers. The enemy forces in the Gaunt's Ghost series across the Sabbat Worlds (though they are relatively recent invaders) are a good example of this.
The most dangerous facet of chaos is not that it destroys, but that it corrupts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 16:47:54
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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They are very constructive
Nurgle brings life across the universe
Tzeench embodies the need for.change and advancement
Khorne is honour and martial pride
Slaanesh is love and pride in your achievements
They are also the opposites of these things
Nurgle brings decay and the fear of death, depression and plague.
Tzeench strives to bring down the old and replace it constantly with the New, politicking to a maddeningly pointless degree.
Khorne brings anger and rage, murder and hatred.
Slaanesh brings obsession and over excess
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 17:07:05
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Fixture of Dakka
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The chaos gods and daemons also lack free will. They are entirely defined by their portfolios.
They, quite literally, can't make different choices than the ones they make.
If Khorne decided to not murder everything he ever came across, he would stop being Khorne. Tzeentch plots against himself, he has no long range plan, only scheming, because that's what he's made of. etc.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 17:09:21
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yeah totally correct, but also totally wrong Automatically Appended Next Post: They defined by ALL the emotions that feed them, so it's entirely. Possible that khorne could treat you with honour and.respect...while trying to kill you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 17:10:48
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Brigadier General
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They're called the Chaos Gods, so you'd expect them to just cause chaos, kind of the opposite of what you propose in the OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 17:15:19
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Tunneling Trygon
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I prefer to think of the Chaos Gods as more unknowable eldritch beings of unfathomably alien and abstract intelligence, rather than essentially very powerful people. All of the descriptions of them are simply anthropomorphisms of things that can't be understood by a human mind, then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 17:16:03
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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As stated there not that simple, they also have what we would call positive aspects, the chaos gods are not purely chaotic despite the name, they can and more than likely do affect the universe in a positive way, that's part if being chaotic by nature.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 18:23:45
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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It said in one of the Horus Heresy books. I think False Gods. The Chaos Gods have no interestin the physical realm. They just dont care. They are literally just trying to cause Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 18:25:44
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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And that guy was lieing through his teeth, 40k history tells us that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 20:30:20
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Been Around the Block
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Aren't the whole Gaunts Ghosts about this? The Sabbat Crusade was a respons to Chaos taking over a whole sub-sector more or less. (or sector, what ever)
(Spoiler below)
In Traitor General i believe the chaos followers try and take knowledge from the imperium on how to structure some aspects of society. They want to learn the imperiums ways in detail. (And ofcourse military secrets, goes without saying.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 21:04:33
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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As said earlier, the Eye is full of worlds built up in just this way, with millions of slaves doing just what you describe, let alone the various fallen worlds in realspace.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 21:56:56
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Because Chaos only builds in order to destroy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 22:32:36
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Formosa wrote:As stated there not that simple, they also have what we would call positive aspects, the chaos gods are not purely chaotic despite the name, they can and more than likely do affect the universe in a positive way, that's part if being chaotic by nature.
 Spoken like a true lacky of the false emperor. Pure Chaos is positive!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 22:47:59
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
Coming Soon - to a Coven near you
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From the point of view of the followers of chaos they AREA being constructive!!
Khorne- war and destruction a darwinsism in its purest form those the survive are more resilient to the extreme and those that don't make way for the new strong.
Tzeentch- Stangnancy breeds inevitable self destruction and subverts once more the betterment of the self.. To not change is to die.
Nurgle- whilst everyone seems to depict him as the god of death.. He sees himself as the giver of immortality, you have but to follow him and he will protect you a any good father should.. That he's protecting you from his own plagues (that are his children too) is irrelevant
Slanesh- what's the point of living if you can't enjoy it? Life is so short he is improving humanities lot by promoting them to do whatever they want for it's flickering duration..
The fact they are sick twisted freaks who are insane doesn't enter their mind alas
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 22:49:41
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Formosa wrote:Yeah totally correct, but also totally wrong
Automatically Appended Next Post:
They defined by ALL the emotions that feed them, so it's entirely. Possible that khorne could treat you with honour and.respect...while trying to kill you.
So only correct. He's still killing you. If there's only one intelligent psychic life left in the galaxy, and killing it will end Khorne forever (because it will, he doesn't exist without it) he still will kill it given the opportunity. They can't help what they are, they can only be it.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/06/19 22:50:12
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 22:49:59
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Furyou Miko wrote: Formosa wrote:As stated there not that simple, they also have what we would call positive aspects, the chaos gods are not purely chaotic despite the name, they can and more than likely do affect the universe in a positive way, that's part if being chaotic by nature.
 Spoken like a true lacky of the false emperor. Pure Chaos is positive!
With those eyes I sometimes wonder if you've got Night Lord blood in you.
Also, I'll just leave this here in response to the OP's question.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 22:59:32
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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DarknessEternal wrote: Formosa wrote:Yeah totally correct, but also totally wrong
Automatically Appended Next Post:
They defined by ALL the emotions that feed them, so it's entirely. Possible that khorne could treat you with honour and.respect...while trying to kill you.
So only correct. He's still killing you. If there's only one intelligent psychic life left in the galaxy, and killing it will end Khorne forever (because it will, he doesn't exist without it) he still will kill it given the opportunity. They can't help what they are, they can only be it.
Nah the last bit was supposed to be a joke, nurgle brings life, that's positive, tzeench influenced you to build a school, slaanesh made you write a literary masterpiece, khorne stopped you from killing those civilians as its dishonorable.
These are all things the chaos gods take power from and influence in turn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 23:20:44
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
Coming Soon - to a Coven near you
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I'm pretty sure the hope in citizens hearts when they do the above given much more power to the Emporer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 23:22:03
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Its fine Tzeench planed the whole thing.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 04:29:35
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Formosa wrote: khorne stopped you from killing those civilians as its dishonorable.
Not in this era of 40k. You must be living in 1989.
In 2014, Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 04:36:11
Subject: Re:Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Missionary On A Mission
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The reason the Chaos gods are not "constructive" is because Gork and Mork have all the rivets and won't share
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 04:41:21
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Sasori wrote:That sounds like some very ordered, and precise planning is needed there, something that would take a while to come into fruition.
Sounds like Tzeentch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 07:34:20
Subject: Why are the Chaos Gods not more constructive?
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DarknessEternal wrote: Formosa wrote: khorne stopped you from killing those civilians as its dishonorable.
Not in this era of 40k. You must be living in 1989.
In 2014, Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.
1988 Khorne cared not from where the blood flowed, but he especially enjoyed people killing their friends and allies.
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